The reality is that Poles along with the other European immigrants contribute more than they take which simply highlights the fact that looking to blame Jonny Foreigner is simply wrong. Little Englanders, unfortunately, have become a dumbed down species in recent years and have been bombarded with a blame culture all too visible on tv, radio, SMS and email adverts. It seems clear to me where the need to apportion blame has come from, particularly in people that seem unable to formulate an opinion based on actual research as opposed to becoming so easily hoodwinked by specific single interest propaganda.
As for the war .... Bit of a thread diversion.
I deal on a daily basis with people from all over the world and spend most of my days on talking to clients and prospective clients. In conversations with fellow Europeans, it is clear that there is a feeling, just like here, that the European Parliament has somehow passed a point whereby everyone feels like unelected dogsbodies are dictating National policies. Euro politicians need to listen to their electorate as much as DC is listening to the UK.
This really is a fantastic opportunity for Britain to lead the reform of the European institutions and the people of Europe - not just the UK - would support this. All countries in Europe need the best that Europe has to offer but the inefficiencies, unaccountability and pan European Directives are frustrating ALL of the people's of Europe.
I'm with Star to a point.
1. The Polish Air Force never fought in the Battle of Britain.
2. How can democracy work, when you have to pass a test to take part in it?
David Cameron’s rather arrogant stance on European Union membership reminds me of a famous 1930 Daily Mirror headline: “Fog in Channel Continent Cut Off.”.........
Withdrawal from the European Union is a right of European Union (EU) member states under TEU Article 50: "Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements." No state has ever withdrawn, though some dependent territories or semi-autonomous areas have left. Of these, only Greenland has explicitly voted to leave, departing from the EU's predecessor, the European Economic Community (EEC), in 1985. No member state has ever held a national referendum on withdrawal from the European Union, though in 1975 the United Kingdom held a national referendum on withdrawal from its predecessor, the EEC; 67.2% of voters chose to remain in the Community. - source:
My own opinion:
Article 59: states that a member state must first inform the European council, which will produce guidelines under which the "Union" (the EU Commission) will negotiate a withdrawal agreement. This agreement is then subject to approval by the European parliament and the council of ministers.
The UK joined the European Union, then the European Economic Community (EEC) in January 1973. The decision, taken by Conservative prime minister Edward Heath, was extremely controversial and caused widespread division.
Labour's 1974 election manifesto promised a referendum on membership of the EEC. The party itself was deeply divided on the issue. A party conference held in April 1975 voted by a majority of around two to one to leave the EEC, with almost 3.7 million votes cast against membership (including the bloc votes of 39 of 46 affiliated unions). Those on the left of the party, notably Tony Benn and Michael Foot, were at the forefront of the anti-EEC campaign.
In the event, prime minister Harold Wilson, who proclaimed a pragmatic support for membership, committed the government to campaigning for a "yes" vote to the referendum question, "'Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community (Common Market)?" Acknowledging the extent of divisions, he allowed ministers to campaign against the government line, and seven members of his cabinet did so.
Nonetheless, on June 6th 1975, 67 per cent of those participating voted in favour of the EEC. The majority of those who had campaigned against the UK's membership admitted defeat.
The UK REBATE:
The UK rebate (often referred to as the British rebate) is a rebate on the United Kingdom's contribution to the EU budget paid back to the UK government by the European Union.
Calculated as approximately two-thirds of the amount by which UK payments into the EU exceed EU expenditure returning to the UK.
Currently the rebate is worth £5 billion.
I'll not comment on ukip for fear of being banned!
Paddy
Just cannot understand why so many harp on about the Poles who served with the RAF and forget the thousands of Polish Nazi's who served in the German army, including many who served as guards on concentration camps.
We have all come from the same cloth so to speak if you really wanted to be silly.
