Not every person coming to this country contributes more than they take out .... some adults come here to study, some pay for it but others get finacial help from the UK to pay for their studies, if they have children they then get subsidised child care too, they basically pay less than the full price for child care and its the UK that pays the rest, the fincial help they get comes from the same pot of money that all UK residents get help from ... they then go back to their home country ... they havnt contributed anything at all fincially here other than living costs but they have had cheap education and almost free child care .... personally i'm not happy about that as it means there is less money for UK residents to get help with their studies and child care fees !
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Not every person coming to this country contributes more than they take out .... some adults come here to study, some pay for it but others get finacial help from the UK to pay for their studies, if they have children they then get subsidised child care too, they basically pay less than the full price for child care and its the UK that pays the rest, the fincial help they get comes from the same pot of money that all UK residents get help from ... they then go back to their home country ... they havnt contributed anything at all fincially here other than living costs but they have had cheap education and almost free child care .... personally i'm not happy about that as it means there is less money for UK residents to get help with their studies and child care fees !
Sorry but good points made. I thought I would highlight the bit that I found funny. There is enough evidence out there to prove in many cases that is simply not true, in that many colleges were just interested in taking the money and certainly not bothered if students turned up or not to study. Many got in via that ' studying ' ruse and then just went and worked on the black market.
Yes many do indeed come here to legitimately study, but for some it was a way into the UK through the back door.
A fact that there were dodgy colleges and I wonder how many of the non European students are still here and still working?
Quote by nellie-mwgc
That maybe the case on some places but not where i work, it is strictly checked on and if they don't turn up for college they dont get funding for themselves or their children.
Yes that is how it is now nellie but going back about six or seven years ago it was rife in some colleges. Of course because it was done on such a large scale that the Government put a stop to it, and put strict guidelines in place for those dodgy colleges.
How many got into the UK under the guise of studying nobody knows, but for a Government to change it's policies they must have been pretty sure it was a bit more than just a handful.
I've worked there for over 12 years 
Yes it may be like that in some colleges but not where i work, their funding for themselves and their children stops if they don't turn up for college ... my gripe though is that they get the funding in the first place ... why should they get their studies and their childcare paid for here if they don't, never have and never will work here ? It hasn't altered much since the government changed although funding in general has changed.
Yes it may be like that in some colleges but not where i work, their funding for themselves and their children stops if they don't turn up for college ... my gripe though is that they get the funding in the first place ... why should they get their studies and their childcare paid for here if they don't, never have and never will work here ? It hasn't altered much since the government changed although funding in general has changed.
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I read in the Times yesterday that this so called advertising campaign had been dismissed some time ago.
The right thing to do is to assess family solvency at the time of applying for an NI number, issuing a temporary NI number for say three months and declining support if the family is insolvent.
We in Britain are very complacent and unless you have a real intimate knowledge of the Eastern European mentality you really can't understand their motives. The parents of the recent and next migrants were crushed under a communist system that rewarded no one and gave opportunity to no one. These people have opportunity and as a consequence they are "driven" people looking to maximise their opportunities. Be under no illusions, the majority will.
(Apologies for my absence for a couple of days, I was in Moscow)
The right thing to do is to assess family solvency at the time of applying for an NI number, issuing a temporary NI number for say three months and declining support if the family is insolvent.
We in Britain are very complacent and unless you have a real intimate knowledge of the Eastern European mentality you really can't understand their motives. The parents of the recent and next migrants were crushed under a communist system that rewarded no one and gave opportunity to no one. These people have opportunity and as a consequence they are "driven" people looking to maximise their opportunities. Be under no illusions, the majority will.
(Apologies for my absence for a couple of days, I was in Moscow)
Quote by starlightcouple
Why the fuck should the UK give a damn about the Malians?
To help stop Islamist rebels from gaining ground on the UK's doorstep?
What a bit like Afghanistan you mean GnV?
All those lives lost and for what? The pulling out of our troops is a face saving exercise as within 3 years I guarantee Afghanistan will be back to what it was prior to the USA and UK invasion.
Now we are being led down another useless path to nowhere. Still it is not British politicians that will be on the front line, fighting a lost cause. No they will be tucking into their roast fillet of Cornish Mullet in their susidised eateries.
I didn't know Churchill fought in the front line. I thought he was tucked up at night.
Whom incidentally you said joined a war that wasn't our war, you said we went to the aide of Poland. We joined as Churchill warned Hitler prior if he went into Poland war would be declared. If we never then joined forces we might have lost that battle.
What you don't seem to understand is in history threats have always been caused through religion extremist and dictatorship they can become a real threat. We believe education and democracy is the way forward within countries where this doesn't happen there is never a balance of fairness to the people. That is why we join forces with like minded people no matter what country they come from. You hype on about culture and language being your focus why europe shouldn't be joined.
We all choose our friends through mindset at least I do anyway.
They problem joining I believe is balance of the economy thoughout, lets not forget what has caused the problems we are in now which I believe is shielding judgement. It was caused though the banks loaning money on high risk debt. This started in America and had a rippling affect. Being Cynical maybe the Americans let that happen as they might see a joined Europe as too strong. So destroyed the wealth to cause us problems of joining or working together to find a way to join Europe.
We can carry on blaming the people that look for work if you wish, I shall just have my own views.
To find a happy medium between socialism and capitalism and to support democracy I believe there are many reasons to join Europe. It is finding a way forward for the future not wanting to stay and stagnate for our future generations that to be fair are a complete mix of all sorts. That is something I am proud of this country for we have allowed it to happen, can you really say it is bad that it has happening?
Being in South East London (where many of the immigrants first settle) all my life born in the 1960's. I have lived, went to school, work, socialise with these people. Chatting befriending many different people from different cultures has taught me we are all human at the core. We all have a heart, thought, feelings, and fight to be treated as Humans. We learn from each other. When I had children I never wanted my children bought up in a safe leafy suburb where I believe many are ignorant to what happens at grassroots level. I wanted my children to have a diverse education to work it out for themselves. Many warned me I was putting them at risk living in what is known as one of the most deprived areas in London. My children have thanked me in feeling they are rich with knowledge.
On the ground we want to work, trade, educate, and live together. Leaders cock up not people.
So Star when you ask if people live amongst what is going on, I live in the center of it all.
Funny how two people living amongst it see it all so differently. As you have said to a few here, live amongst it before making comments.
Maybe I have made an effort to befriend, Europeans, Asians, Chinese, West Indians. I am white and English so were my parents and theirs, prior to that are Italians and French whom settled here. Nobody within those I know have sponged off the state, and most of all I know work and integrate into society.
I have never seen Europeans, Asians, Chinese, West Indians hanging about street corners drinking and swearing. I have seen many English men do that in my time living here.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Why the fuck should the UK give a damn about the Malians?
To help stop Islamist rebels from gaining ground on the UK's doorstep?
What a bit like Afghanistan you mean GnV?
All those lives lost and for what? The pulling out of our troops is a face saving exercise as within 3 years I guarantee Afghanistan will be back to what it was prior to the USA and UK invasion.
Now we are being led down another useless path to nowhere. Still it is not British politicians that will be on the front line, fighting a lost cause. No they will be tucking into their roast fillet of Cornish Mullet in their susidised eateries.
I didn't know Churchill fought in the front line. I thought he was tucked up at night.
Whom incidentally you said joined a war that wasn't our war, you said we went to the aide of Poland. We joined as Churchill warned Hitler prior if he went into Poland war would be declared. If we never then joined forces we might have lost that battle.
What you don't seem to understand is in history threats have always been caused through religion extremist and dictatorship they can become a real threat. We believe education and democracy is the way forward within countries where this doesn't happen there is never a balance of fairness to the people. That is why we join forces with like minded people no matter what country they come from. You hype on about culture and language being your focus why europe shouldn't be joined.
We all choose our friends through mindset at least I do anyway.
They problem joining I believe is balance of the economy thoughout, lets not forget what has caused the problems we are in now which I believe is shielding judgement. It was caused though the banks loaning money on high risk debt. This started in America and had a rippling affect. Being Cynical maybe the Americans let that happen as they might see a joined Europe as too strong. So destroyed the wealth to cause us problems of joining or working together to find a way to join Europe.
We can carry on blaming the people that look for work if you wish, I shall just have my own views.
To find a happy medium between socialism and capitalism and to support democracy I believe there are many reasons to join Europe. It is finding a way forward for the future not wanting to stay and stagnate for our future generations that to be fair are a complete mix of all sorts. That is something I am proud of this country for we have allowed it to happen, can you really say it is bad that it has happening?
Being in South East London (where many of the immigrants first settle) all my life born in the 1960's. I have lived, went to school, work, socialise with these people. Chatting befriending many different people from different cultures has taught me we are all human at the core. We all have a heart, thought, feelings, and fight to be treated as Humans. We learn from each other. When I had children I never wanted my children bought up in a safe leafy suburb where I believe many are ignorant to what happens at grassroots level. I wanted my children to have a diverse education to work it out for themselves. Many warned me I was putting them at risk living in what is known as one of the most deprived areas in London. My children have thanked me in feeling they are rich with knowledge.
On the ground we want to work, trade, educate, and live together. Leaders cock up not people.
So Star when you ask if people live amongst what is going on, I live in the center of it all.
Funny how two people living amongst it see it all so differently. As you have said to a few here, live amongst it before making comments.
Maybe I have made an effort to befriend, Europeans, Asians, Chinese, West Indians. I am white and English so were my parents and theirs, prior to that are Italians and French whom settled here. Nobody within those I know have sponged off the state, and most of all I know work and integrate into society.
I have never seen Europeans, Asians, Chinese, West Indians hanging about street corners drinking and swearing. I have seen many English men do that in my time living here.
Sorry was there a point to that? :roll:
You really need to look at the wider picture. Have you heard of Plumstead at all? South East London as well, but with a very large Asian community that does not integrate. There are huge areas of the UK where integration does not exist at all. Their own shops, their own communities, and their own ways of life. It happens and to deny it does happen is propaganda by the Labour party.
I know what area you live in and I know of it's origins going back to the 60's. Were there not riots there Minx? What about New Cross or Peckham, or Stockwell. You paint such a rosy picture of your area but you have lived there too long to see what is going on around you. I only went to your area three weeks ago. I saw with my own eyes the problems that are in that area, and you make out all is fine and dandy Minx. Sorry minx those rose tinted glasses of yours certainly need no adjustments at the local opticians.
I give up.
Quote by flower411
So first you claim that people don`t know what they are talking about because they don`t live in the areas affected and then when somebody who does live there comes along, you say they are blind !!
Did I? I live in an affected area, and so does Minx. I am not going to detail in what area she lives in, but hence to say a hugely under developed area of South London, and I am sure Minx will say it is diverse in it's culture and old knackered buildings. It is like the areas that I have already mentioned, underdeveloped and under privileged, but when someone lives there all their life it is hard for a person to see that as they know no different.
Quote by flower411
None so blind as those who will not see.
Not blind....honest.
I live in an area similar to where Minx is so I live it every day. I went to her area for the first time in around 22 years, and I saw for myself. My area is run down and a bit of a shit hole but I am open to being honest about my area and the people who live there. I do not paint this picture of flowers blooming and birds a singing, because it simply is not like that. Minx's area was never like that and certainly is nothing like that now either. Three miles one way and three miles the other way to where Mix lives is no different. Run down inner cities and nothing has changed there for fifty years.
Quote by starlightcouple
Why the fuck should the UK give a damn about the Malians?
To help stop Islamist rebels from gaining ground on the UK's doorstep?
What a bit like Afghanistan you mean GnV?
All those lives lost and for what? The pulling out of our troops is a face saving exercise as within 3 years I guarantee Afghanistan will be back to what it was prior to the USA and UK invasion.
Now we are being led down another useless path to nowhere. Still it is not British politicians that will be on the front line, fighting a lost cause. No they will be tucking into their roast fillet of Cornish Mullet in their susidised eateries.
I didn't know Churchill fought in the front line. I thought he was tucked up at night.
Whom incidentally you said joined a war that wasn't our war, you said we went to the aide of Poland. We joined as Churchill warned Hitler prior if he went into Poland war would be declared. If we never then joined forces we might have lost that battle.
What you don't seem to understand is in history threats have always been caused through religion extremist and dictatorship they can become a real threat. We believe education and democracy is the way forward within countries where this doesn't happen there is never a balance of fairness to the people. That is why we join forces with like minded people no matter what country they come from. You hype on about culture and language being your focus why europe shouldn't be joined.
We all choose our friends through mindset at least I do anyway.
They problem joining I believe is balance of the economy thoughout, lets not forget what has caused the problems we are in now which I believe is shielding judgement. It was caused though the banks loaning money on high risk debt. This started in America and had a rippling affect. Being Cynical maybe the Americans let that happen as they might see a joined Europe as too strong. So destroyed the wealth to cause us problems of joining or working together to find a way to join Europe.
We can carry on blaming the people that look for work if you wish, I shall just have my own views.
To find a happy medium between socialism and capitalism and to support democracy I believe there are many reasons to join Europe. It is finding a way forward for the future not wanting to stay and stagnate for our future generations that to be fair are a complete mix of all sorts. That is something I am proud of this country for we have allowed it to happen, can you really say it is bad that it has happening?
Being in South East London (where many of the immigrants first settle) all my life born in the 1960's. I have lived, went to school, work, socialise with these people. Chatting befriending many different people from different cultures has taught me we are all human at the core. We all have a heart, thought, feelings, and fight to be treated as Humans. We learn from each other. When I had children I never wanted my children bought up in a safe leafy suburb where I believe many are ignorant to what happens at grassroots level. I wanted my children to have a diverse education to work it out for themselves. Many warned me I was putting them at risk living in what is known as one of the most deprived areas in London. My children have thanked me in feeling they are rich with knowledge.
On the ground we want to work, trade, educate, and live together. Leaders cock up not people.
So Star when you ask if people live amongst what is going on, I live in the center of it all.
Funny how two people living amongst it see it all so differently. As you have said to a few here, live amongst it before making comments.
Maybe I have made an effort to befriend, Europeans, Asians, Chinese, West Indians. I am white and English so were my parents and theirs, prior to that are Italians and French whom settled here. Nobody within those I know have sponged off the state, and most of all I know work and integrate into society.
I have never seen Europeans, Asians, Chinese, West Indians hanging about street corners drinking and swearing. I have seen many English men do that in my time living here.
Sorry was there a point to that? :roll:
You really need to look at the wider picture. Have you heard of Plumstead at all? South East London as well, but with a very large Asian community that does not integrate. There are huge areas of the UK where integration does not exist at all. Their own shops, their own communities, and their own ways of life. It happens and to deny it does happen is propaganda by the Labour party.
I know what area you live in and I know of it's origins going back to the 60's. Were there not riots there Minx? What about New Cross or Peckham, or Stockwell. You paint such a rosy picture of your area but you have lived there too long to see what is going on around you. I only went to your area three weeks ago. I saw with my own eyes the problems that are in that area, and you make out all is fine and dandy Minx. Sorry minx those rose tinted glasses of yours certainly need no adjustments at the local opticians.
I give up.
Having lived in Kennington from 1971- 1978 and went shopping weekly with my mum to Brixton. I also went to school in Peckham from 1974 -1979. Then worked in Peckham from 1979 - 1992. My grandparents and hubby lived in peckham and many of my friends.
I know the area a tad. Have you ever lived there star as you seem to know so much, maybe we grew up and worked together there at some stage.
I have even taken my children to the cinema in peckham, ever been there Star. In is now on the foundations of the building where I worked for years. If you know peckham that well you would be able to tell me the lay out of the high street and Brixton for that matter. Have you walked the streets there?
Do you know why the riots started star as I was amongst them working.
Do you really have any idea star????
Quote by starlightcouple
Why the fuck should the UK give a damn about the Malians?
To help stop Islamist rebels from gaining ground on the UK's doorstep?
What a bit like Afghanistan you mean GnV?
All those lives lost and for what? The pulling out of our troops is a face saving exercise as within 3 years I guarantee Afghanistan will be back to what it was prior to the USA and UK invasion.
Now we are being led down another useless path to nowhere. Still it is not British politicians that will be on the front line, fighting a lost cause. No they will be tucking into their roast fillet of Cornish Mullet in their susidised eateries.
I didn't know Churchill fought in the front line. I thought he was tucked up at night.
Whom incidentally you said joined a war that wasn't our war, you said we went to the aide of Poland. We joined as Churchill warned Hitler prior if he went into Poland war would be declared. If we never then joined forces we might have lost that battle.
What you don't seem to understand is in history threats have always been caused through religion extremist and dictatorship they can become a real threat. We believe education and democracy is the way forward within countries where this doesn't happen there is never a balance of fairness to the people. That is why we join forces with like minded people no matter what country they come from. You hype on about culture and language being your focus why europe shouldn't be joined.
We all choose our friends through mindset at least I do anyway.
They problem joining I believe is balance of the economy thoughout, lets not forget what has caused the problems we are in now which I believe is shielding judgement. It was caused though the banks loaning money on high risk debt. This started in America and had a rippling affect. Being Cynical maybe the Americans let that happen as they might see a joined Europe as too strong. So destroyed the wealth to cause us problems of joining or working together to find a way to join Europe.
We can carry on blaming the people that look for work if you wish, I shall just have my own views.
To find a happy medium between socialism and capitalism and to support democracy I believe there are many reasons to join Europe. It is finding a way forward for the future not wanting to stay and stagnate for our future generations that to be fair are a complete mix of all sorts. That is something I am proud of this country for we have allowed it to happen, can you really say it is bad that it has happening?
Being in South East London (where many of the immigrants first settle) all my life born in the 1960's. I have lived, went to school, work, socialise with these people. Chatting befriending many different people from different cultures has taught me we are all human at the core. We all have a heart, thought, feelings, and fight to be treated as Humans. We learn from each other. When I had children I never wanted my children bought up in a safe leafy suburb where I believe many are ignorant to what happens at grassroots level. I wanted my children to have a diverse education to work it out for themselves. Many warned me I was putting them at risk living in what is known as one of the most deprived areas in London. My children have thanked me in feeling they are rich with knowledge.
On the ground we want to work, trade, educate, and live together. Leaders cock up not people.
So Star when you ask if people live amongst what is going on, I live in the center of it all.
Funny how two people living amongst it see it all so differently. As you have said to a few here, live amongst it before making comments.
Maybe I have made an effort to befriend, Europeans, Asians, Chinese, West Indians. I am white and English so were my parents and theirs, prior to that are Italians and French whom settled here. Nobody within those I know have sponged off the state, and most of all I know work and integrate into society.
I have never seen Europeans, Asians, Chinese, West Indians hanging about street corners drinking and swearing. I have seen many English men do that in my time living here.
Sorry was there a point to that? :roll:
You really need to look at the wider picture. Have you heard of Plumstead at all? South East London as well, but with a very large Asian community that does not integrate. There are huge areas of the UK where integration does not exist at all. Their own shops, their own communities, and their own ways of life. It happens and to deny it does happen is propaganda by the Labour party.
I know what area you live in and I know of it's origins going back to the 60's. Were there not riots there Minx? What about New Cross or Peckham, or Stockwell. You paint such a rosy picture of your area but you have lived there too long to see what is going on around you. I only went to your area three weeks ago. I saw with my own eyes the problems that are in that area, and you make out all is fine and dandy Minx. Sorry minx those rose tinted glasses of yours certainly need no adjustments at the local opticians.
I give up.
Also star do you mean the asian community that cook me sri lankan down a club I belong to. Ever eaten home made food. Or the west Indian men that cook jeek chicken curried goat for everyone. Ever tried that Star?
The most gentle men I have met, that don't drink swear or put down others and serve ladies first.
I even kiss and hug them and say thanks star.
We respect each others cultures. Many of which come from plumstead actually as I hold details about them.
Anything else you like to ask?
I can back what I have said by facts star not from news papers, new items or politians.
I am ashamed of people too.
Quote by starlightcouple
Why the fuck should the UK give a damn about the Malians?
To help stop Islamist rebels from gaining ground on the UK's doorstep?
What a bit like Afghanistan you mean GnV?
All those lives lost and for what? The pulling out of our troops is a face saving exercise as within 3 years I guarantee Afghanistan will be back to what it was prior to the USA and UK invasion.
Now we are being led down another useless path to nowhere. Still it is not British politicians that will be on the front line, fighting a lost cause. No they will be tucking into their roast fillet of Cornish Mullet in their susidised eateries.
I didn't know Churchill fought in the front line. I thought he was tucked up at night.
Whom incidentally you said joined a war that wasn't our war, you said we went to the aide of Poland. We joined as Churchill warned Hitler prior if he went into Poland war would be declared. If we never then joined forces we might have lost that battle.
What you don't seem to understand is in history threats have always been caused through religion extremist and dictatorship they can become a real threat. We believe education and democracy is the way forward within countries where this doesn't happen there is never a balance of fairness to the people. That is why we join forces with like minded people no matter what country they come from. You hype on about culture and language being your focus why europe shouldn't be joined.
We all choose our friends through mindset at least I do anyway.
They problem joining I believe is balance of the economy thoughout, lets not forget what has caused the problems we are in now which I believe is shielding judgement. It was caused though the banks loaning money on high risk debt. This started in America and had a rippling affect. Being Cynical maybe the Americans let that happen as they might see a joined Europe as too strong. So destroyed the wealth to cause us problems of joining or working together to find a way to join Europe.
We can carry on blaming the people that look for work if you wish, I shall just have my own views.
To find a happy medium between socialism and capitalism and to support democracy I believe there are many reasons to join Europe. It is finding a way forward for the future not wanting to stay and stagnate for our future generations that to be fair are a complete mix of all sorts. That is something I am proud of this country for we have allowed it to happen, can you really say it is bad that it has happening?
Being in South East London (where many of the immigrants first settle) all my life born in the 1960's. I have lived, went to school, work, socialise with these people. Chatting befriending many different people from different cultures has taught me we are all human at the core. We all have a heart, thought, feelings, and fight to be treated as Humans. We learn from each other. When I had children I never wanted my children bought up in a safe leafy suburb where I believe many are ignorant to what happens at grassroots level. I wanted my children to have a diverse education to work it out for themselves. Many warned me I was putting them at risk living in what is known as one of the most deprived areas in London. My children have thanked me in feeling they are rich with knowledge.
On the ground we want to work, trade, educate, and live together. Leaders cock up not people.
So Star when you ask if people live amongst what is going on, I live in the center of it all.
Funny how two people living amongst it see it all so differently. As you have said to a few here, live amongst it before making comments.
Maybe I have made an effort to befriend, Europeans, Asians, Chinese, West Indians. I am white and English so were my parents and theirs, prior to that are Italians and French whom settled here. Nobody within those I know have sponged off the state, and most of all I know work and integrate into society.
I have never seen Europeans, Asians, Chinese, West Indians hanging about street corners drinking and swearing. I have seen many English men do that in my time living here.
Sorry was there a point to that? :roll:
You really need to look at the wider picture. Have you heard of Plumstead at all? South East London as well, but with a very large Asian community that does not integrate. There are huge areas of the UK where integration does not exist at all. Their own shops, their own communities, and their own ways of life. It happens and to deny it does happen is propaganda by the Labour party.
I know what area you live in and I know of it's origins going back to the 60's. Were there not riots there Minx? What about New Cross or Peckham, or Stockwell. You paint such a rosy picture of your area but you have lived there too long to see what is going on around you. I only went to your area three weeks ago. I saw with my own eyes the problems that are in that area, and you make out all is fine and dandy Minx. Sorry minx those rose tinted glasses of yours certainly need no adjustments at the local opticians.
I give up.
Do you know why intergration has always been difficult?
Blame the government they house these people in pockets to control them, peckham being a prim example. You blame the people not intergrating. But you have already said who houses them.
You make me laugh star. You say one thing then blame another as many do.
Ignorance is bliss hey, as long as it doesn't affect you and yours.
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Quote by Theladyisaminx
I didn't know Churchill fought in the front line. I thought he was tucked up at night.
Churchill was not on the front line during the Second World War. However he did fight on the front line in India, Sudan, the Boer War (where he became a PW and escaped over 300 miles back to friendly forces), and of course he also fought on the Western front during the First World War.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Whom incidentally you said joined a war that wasn't our war, you said we went to the aide of Poland. We joined as Churchill warned Hitler prior if he went into Poland war would be declared. If we never then joined forces we might have lost that battle.
Churchill did not lead us into the War, in fact he continued to advocate preparing for war while the Government appeased Hitler. The government was led by Neville Chamberlain. It was Chamberlain that warned Hitler that Britain would ally to Poland if he invaded.
Churchill became Prime Minister eight months after Chamberlain declared war on Nazi Germany.
The only way we can learn from history is to know it correctly in the first place
Quote by starlightcouple
So first you claim that people don`t know what they are talking about because they don`t live in the areas affected and then when somebody who does live there comes along, you say they are blind !!
Did I? I live in an affected area, and so does Minx. I am not going to detail in what area she lives in, but hence to say a hugely under developed area of South London, and I am sure Minx will say it is diverse in it's culture and old knackered buildings. It is like the areas that I have already mentioned, underdeveloped and under privileged, but when someone lives there all their life it is hard for a person to see that as they know no different.
Quote by flower411
None so blind as those who will not see.
Not blind....honest.
I live in an area similar to where Minx is so I live it every day. I went to her area for the first time in around 22 years, and I saw for myself. My area is run down and a bit of a shit hole but I am open to being honest about my area and the people who live there. I do not paint this picture of flowers blooming and birds a singing, because it simply is not like that. Minx's area was never like that and certainly is nothing like that now either. Three miles one way and three miles the other way to where Mix lives is no different. Run down inner cities and nothing has changed there for fifty years.
Eyes are for seeing Star, three miles around me brand new community schools have been built on the site of old run down Victorian ones that were falling down, we have some state of the art schools now. Victorian hospitals too rebuilt. One we are fighting to keep open as you know. You and I wouldn't be able to buy a house in Peckham now. A friend of mine invested on one 10 years ago and it is now worth Where exactly did you look Star?
All the schools have had investment some from local government but many from a man from Peckham.
Ever heard of Lord Harris star? Who has been invested from his company in the education of the children of SE London?
In case you didn't know his father opened a carpet shop in Rye lane Peckham.
Quote by Trevaunance
I didn't know Churchill fought in the front line. I thought he was tucked up at night.
Churchill was not on the front line during the Second World War. However he did fight on the front line in India, Sudan, the Boer War (where he became a PW and escaped over 300 miles back to friendly forces), and of course he also fought on the Western front during the First World War.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Whom incidentally you said joined a war that wasn't our war, you said we went to the aide of Poland. We joined as Churchill warned Hitler prior if he went into Poland war would be declared. If we never then joined forces we might have lost that battle.
Churchill did not lead us into the War, in fact he continued to advocate preparing for war while the Government appeased Hitler. The government was led by Neville Chamberlain. It was Chamberlain that warned Hitler that Britain would ally to Poland if he invaded.
Churchill became Prime Minister eight months after Chamberlain declared war on Nazi Germany.
The only way we can learn from history is to know it correctly in the first place
The point I was making is that star said we went to defend the poles earlier and they should be forever grateful.
I think I am much nearer the facts than he is even being 8 months out. :wink:
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Blimey !!! A whole post without condescension or abuse !!!
Congratulations.
Are you here to debate or to wave that wooden spoon that you seem to have a vast collection of ? As I thought...to wave the spoon.
Oh and as an aside.
Overly frequent use of the exclamation mark is generally considered poor writing, for it distracts the reader and devalues the mark's significance.
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Having lived in Kennington from 1971- 1978 and went shopping weekly with my mum to Brixton. I also went to school in Peckham from 1974 -1979. Then worked in Peckham from 1979 - 1992. My grandparents and hubby lived in peckham and many of my friends.
I know the area a tad. Have you ever lived there star as you seem to know so much, maybe we grew up and worked together there at some stage.
I have even taken my children to the cinema in peckham, ever been there Star. In is now on the foundations of the building where I worked for years. If you know peckham that well you would be able to tell me the lay out of the high street and Brixton for that matter. Have you walked the streets there?
Do you know why the riots started star as I was amongst them working.
Do you really have any idea star????
Just highlighted a couple of bits Minx.
Firstly where to begin from this person born and bred in the country who knows very little of city life. :doh:
Firstly was born in Brixton,Ferndale Road to be a bit more precise. Oh yes I have walked the streets of Brixton's shopping malls a year being escorted around Brixton's market with my Mum for her weekly veg. They went shopping there every week for years long before 1971 Minx. My Father was born in Kennington in fact the first boy ever born in the block of flats him and his two Sisters and parents lived in. Those flats btw are still there today over 80 years on, and my Father remembers them as being typical of 1930's British housing in inner cities, but they are still bloody there.
I moved to Clapham North for a few years before living in Camberwell for about 3 years just off the Camberwell Road. I presume you know Camberwell Minx? Then moved to just outside Plaistow on Sea, and now unfortunately reside on that wonderful multicultural city called........Thamesmead. So Minx the places I have lived in and currently live in could not be more diverse anywhere else in the world I reckon. Do you know anything about Thamesmead at all? It is without a shadow of a doubt the most diverse and multicultural town in the UK I reckon, but if not certainly south of the Thames.
As for Peckham Minx, the only Peckham that I know of is the one where gun crime is rife. Black gang culture is also rife and plenty of drive by shootings and stabbings from drug related gangs. I also remember it as the place where a certain Damilola Taylor was murdered on the most notorious of council estates being the North Peckham Estate. You take your kids to a place like that Minx?
I know that was from 2007 Minx but gun crime and the gang culture is worse now, check the crime figures on the Met's web site. So you see Minx I have been brought up in tough South London inner cities, I know a bit about the workings of them and I know I do not possess any rose tinted glasses. I think to be honest that you have not got a single clue about the workings of South London, as you certainly lack any knowledge in that fantastic area that you visit in Peckham.
Just a little reminder though Minx in case you had forgotten.
Care to tell us where you live now Minx?
Quote by Trevaunance
I didn't know Churchill fought in the front line. I thought he was tucked up at night.
Churchill was not on the front line during the Second World War. However he did fight on the front line in India, Sudan, the Boer War (where he became a PW and escaped over 300 miles back to friendly forces), and of course he also fought on the Western front during the First World War.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Whom incidentally you said joined a war that wasn't our war, you said we went to the aide of Poland. We joined as Churchill warned Hitler prior if he went into Poland war would be declared. If we never then joined forces we might have lost that battle.
Churchill did not lead us into the War, in fact he continued to advocate preparing for war while the Government appeased Hitler. The government was led by Neville Chamberlain. It was Chamberlain that warned Hitler that Britain would ally to Poland if he invaded.
Churchill became Prime Minister eight months after Chamberlain declared war on Nazi Germany.
The only way we can learn from history is to know it correctly in the first place
Would not Bother Trev to be honest, as history is not one of Minxy's better subjects. :wink:
Quote by starlightcouple
Having lived in Kennington from 1971- 1978 and went shopping weekly with my mum to Brixton. I also went to school in Peckham from 1974 -1979. Then worked in Peckham from 1979 - 1992. My grandparents and hubby lived in peckham and many of my friends.
I know the area a tad. Have you ever lived there star as you seem to know so much, maybe we grew up and worked together there at some stage.
I have even taken my children to the cinema in peckham, ever been there Star. In is now on the foundations of the building where I worked for years. If you know peckham that well you would be able to tell me the lay out of the high street and Brixton for that matter. Have you walked the streets there?
Do you know why the riots started star as I was amongst them working.
Do you really have any idea star????
Just highlighted a couple of bits Minx.
Firstly where to begin from this person born and bred in the country who knows very little of city life. :doh:
Firstly was born in Brixton,Ferndale Road to be a bit more precise. Oh yes I have walked the streets of Brixton's shopping malls a year being escorted around Brixton's market with my Mum for her weekly veg. They went shopping there every week for years long before 1971 Minx. My Father was born in Kennington in fact the first boy ever born in the block of flats him and his two Sisters and parents lived in. Those flats btw are still there today over 80 years on, and my Father remembers them as being typical of 1930's British housing in inner cities, but they are still bloody there.
I moved to Clapham North for a few years before living in Camberwell for about 3 years just off the Camberwell Road. I presume you know Camberwell Minx? Then moved to just outside Plaistow on Sea, and now unfortunately reside on that wonderful multicultural city called........Thamesmead. So Minx the places I have lived in and currently live in could not be more diverse anywhere else in the world I reckon. Do you know anything about Thamesmead at all? It is without a shadow of a doubt the most diverse and multicultural town in the UK I reckon, but if not certainly south of the Thames.
As for Peckham Minx, the only Peckham that I know of is the one where gun crime is rife. Black gang culture is also rife and plenty of drive by shootings and stabbings from drug related gangs. I also remember it as the place where a certain Damilola Taylor was murdered on the most notorious of council estates being the North Peckham Estate. You take your kids to a place like that Minx?
I know that was from 2007 Minx but gun crime and the gang culture is worse now, check the crime figures on the Met's web site. So you see Minx I have been brought up in tough South London inner cities, I know a bit about the workings of them and I know I do not possess any rose tinted glasses. I think to be honest that you have not got a single clue about the workings of South London, as you certainly lack any knowledge in that fantastic area that you visit in Peckham.
Just a little reminder though Minx in case you had forgotten.
Care to tell us where you live now Minx?
Not that far from where my roots were about three miles away from Peckham.
Ahh I know thamesmead well, my cousins moved there in the beginning of the developments there back in the 1970's I believe. I remember sailing boats on the lake they built there around near the shops and the residence club. It was the idyllic dream wasn't it star?
I have no where said SE London was perfect but then I know nowhere is.
A lot of lessons by the government have been learnt about the stucture and development of housing estates. Including thamesmead I believe.
Have you seen the developments since of the North Peckham estate? Star?
Driving through someone where it gives you such expert knowledge. I never lived during the war and don't profess to know all knowledge about it.
Although you seem to be an expert on everything.
I don't mind getting corrected when I am wrong and openly admit I don't know everything.
I think I am more able to comment on my own findings on a area I grow up went to school worked in had many friends from and three 3 generations or my family before me.
Rather than someone that drives through.
That is like saying me saying I have driven through many places and profess to know what it must be like to live there like you always do star.
Then you mock everyone but I ain't for mocking star as I laugh at you as when I ask you questions you just find another angle to mock.
Which is very childish patterns of behavior to be honest. Even my children can argue a better debate with me and beat me. I have been using the same psychology I use on them.
When you change tactics you have lost the debate.
But it has been very entertaining while sitting here working on my coffee breaks.
Best get back to my Asian clients I do business with as without them as clients I can't pay my bills. Which then means I would have to go out and work and commute again in this weather. Work smart is my aim frees time too.
Sex God
I think that this debate is done to death. Star is clearly in a minority of one and there is not much point in bashing him into submission - he will just keep making things up and trying to find tenuous links to support his view that Johnny Foreigner is a complete twat.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Not that far from where my roots were about three miles away from Peckham.
Ahh I know thamesmead well, my cousins moved there in the beginning of the developments there back in the 1970's I believe. I remember sailing boats on the lake they built there around near the shops and the residence club. It was the idyllic dream wasn't it star?
I have no where said SE London was perfect but then I know nowhere is.
A lot of lessons by the government have been learnt about the stucture and development of housing estates. Including thamesmead I believe.
Have you seen the developments since of the North Peckham estate? Star?
Driving through someone where it gives you such expert knowledge. I never lived during the war and don't profess to know all knowledge about it.
Although you seem to be an expert on everything.
I don't mind getting corrected when I am wrong and openly admit I don't know everything.
I think I am more able to comment on my own findings on a area I grow up went to school worked in had many friends from and three 3 generations or my family before me.
Rather than someone that drives through.
That is like saying me saying I have driven through many places and profess to know what it must be like to live there like you always do star.
Then you mock everyone but I ain't for mocking star as I laugh at you as when I ask you questions you just find another angle to mock.
Which is very childish patterns of behavior to be honest. Even my children can argue a better debate with me and beat me. I have been using the same psychology I use on them.
When you change tactics you have lost the debate.
But it has been very entertaining while sitting here working on my coffee breaks.
Best get back to my Asian clients I do business with as without them as clients I can't pay my bills. Which then means I would have to go out and work and commute again in this weather. Work smart is my aim frees time too.
So you wrote all that for exactly? You admit you know Thamesmead back in the 70's, well that's fine and dandy, but you know nothing of it now? I asked you where Camberwell was and you conveniently dismissed that one. I asked you where you live and you failed to respond. I know many things about Peckham and many more things about what part of South London you live in, and I know what they are like. You are not being truthful at all here in what those areas are really like, you go on about new schools etc but every borough has one of those, what a lot of boroughs do not possess is funding in it's very infrastructure, and am sorry Minx your borough has had little done to it in 40 years, and no amount of you saying about a new school will change that.
Even that nice hospital you are trying save is a prime example. Are you afraid of letting us know where you live Minx? I mean I have told you and a borough is a massive place so people will not possibly know where to find you. I mean if you said you lived in Brixton nobody would be able to find you. The reason I say this is because people will be able to find out for themselves that certain areas of South London are nowhere near as you have led us to believe.
Nice chatting to you though.:thumbup:
Quote by Too Hot
I think that this debate is done to death. Star is clearly in a minority of one and there is not much point in bashing him into submission - he will just keep making things up and trying to find tenuous links to support his view that Johnny Foreigner is a complete twat.
You can always decline from commenting TH, but before you go you also fail to answer questions when asked.
Do you employ foreign workers? A bit like Tony Blair not answering the question about the MMR jabs, silence is guilty by association.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
I think that this debate is done to death. Star is clearly in a minority of one and there is not much point in bashing him into submission - he will just keep making things up and trying to find tenuous links to support his view that Johnny Foreigner is a complete twat.
You can always decline from commenting TH, but before you go you also fail to answer questions when asked.
Do you employ foreign workers? A bit like Tony Blair not answering the question about the MMR jabs, silence is guilty by association.
Why are you obsessed with whether I employ foreign workers or not? Would it make me a traitor if I did? You did not ask that question on this thread and I answered it on the thread where you did ask.
NO I DON'T
But we have friends that do and I have told you about this before. Their businesses have been transformed as a result. We also have friends who are immigrants who have done spectacularly well for themselves. One in particular arrived here in 2008 and now turns over £10,000,000 a year writing and selling bespoke software systems. He stopped employing English school leavers last year because of quality control audits coming back with poor syntax issues. He offered his existing native employees a paid for OU course in English or the door. I was gobsmacked to think that immigrant workers had a better understanding of technical English than school leavers from Manchester - Just how bad is that !
Star I have never driven, I use public services, I use schools within the borough and surrounds I have used more than one local hospital. You talk about infrastructure now as an argument. These being Public services. Which has no relevance on the vote into euro or not.
I was countering your argument about immigrating and integration as being a reason to not elect to join the Europe.
Blaming immigrates for everything is clearly wrong saying they are the cause for everything and don't intergrate. That isn't my findings is what I am saying from where I live work and went to school based on my living amongst it.
You said early to someone do you live amongst it? I clearly have shown I have and do. You have even said you know where I live. I don't think I have to prove my whereabouts you have already stated I live amongst it.
Hot I am pleased Star stands up and people can see what he stands for. Many keep quiet I wonder how far in the minority he really is.
I would like to hear why others would or wouldn't join Europe I can see why you wouldn't star.
I was countering your argument about immigrating and integration as being a reason to not elect to join the Europe.
Blaming immigrates for everything is clearly wrong saying they are the cause for everything and don't intergrate. That isn't my findings is what I am saying from where I live work and went to school based on my living amongst it.
You said early to someone do you live amongst it? I clearly have shown I have and do. You have even said you know where I live. I don't think I have to prove my whereabouts you have already stated I live amongst it.
Hot I am pleased Star stands up and people can see what he stands for. Many keep quiet I wonder how far in the minority he really is.
I would like to hear why others would or wouldn't join Europe I can see why you wouldn't star.
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Star I have never driven, I use public services, I use schools within the borough and surrounds I have used more than one local hospital. You talk about infrastructure now as an argument. These being Public services. Which has no relevance on the vote into euro or not.
I was countering your argument about immigrating and integration as being a reason to not elect to join the Europe.
Blaming immigrates for everything is clearly wrong saying they are the cause for everything and don't intergrate. That isn't my findings is what I am saying from where I live work and went to school based on my living amongst it.
You said early to someone do you live amongst it? I clearly have shown I have and do. You have even said you know where I live. I don't think I have to prove my whereabouts you have already stated I live amongst it.
Hot I am pleased Star stands up and people can see what he stands for. Many keep quiet I wonder how far in the minority he really is.
I would like to hear why others would or wouldn't join Europe I can see why you wouldn't star.
Thanks for answering my question Minx. You clearly are ashamed of where you live as why not tell us? I know and you know and lets be fair we both know that your particular borough is everything I have said it is and more.
I have not blamed immigrants for every ill this country has, what I am saying is that it now needs to be controlled and not open door policy. Blimey even the Labour party see that now, now that it is too late of course.
Not just me saying it either. A lot do not integrate and I have no idea how you can possibly say they all do. :doh:
I have also shown I 'live amongst it' as you put it, and you obviously have no idea where Camberwell is Minx. As a BIG clue....it is very near to that wonderland you refer to as Peckham. :bounce: You remember Minx, you take your kids to the cinema there.
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
I think that this debate is done to death. Star is clearly in a minority of one and there is not much point in bashing him into submission - he will just keep making things up and trying to find tenuous links to support his view that Johnny Foreigner is a complete twat.
there in lies the rub
and opinion is the very same as a finger print respect that its unique and move on
Quote by starlightcouple
Star I have never driven, I use public services, I use schools within the borough and surrounds I have used more than one local hospital. You talk about infrastructure now as an argument. These being Public services. Which has no relevance on the vote into euro or not.
I was countering your argument about immigrating and integration as being a reason to not elect to join the Europe.
Blaming immigrates for everything is clearly wrong saying they are the cause for everything and don't intergrate. That isn't my findings is what I am saying from where I live work and went to school based on my living amongst it.
You said early to someone do you live amongst it? I clearly have shown I have and do. You have even said you know where I live. I don't think I have to prove my whereabouts you have already stated I live amongst it.
Hot I am pleased Star stands up and people can see what he stands for. Many keep quiet I wonder how far in the minority he really is.
I would like to hear why others would or wouldn't join Europe I can see why you wouldn't star.
Thanks for answering my question Minx. You clearly are ashamed of where you live as why not tell us? I know and you know and lets be fair we both know that your particular borough is everything I have said it is and more.
I have not blamed immigrants for every ill this country has, what I am saying is that it now needs to be controlled and not open door policy. Blimey even the Labour party see that now, now that it is too late of course.
Not just me saying it either. A lot do not integrate and I have no idea how you can possibly say they all do. :doh:
I have also shown I 'live amongst it' as you put it, and you obviously have no idea where Camberwell is Minx. As a BIG clue....it is very near to that wonderland you refer to as Peckham. :bounce: You remember Minx, you take your kids to the cinema there.
If you were so clever Star about the geographical area I lived and went to school, which I have told you both in this thread. With your brains and knowing the area so well would know that to get from Kennington to Peckham you walk through camberwell doh!
Which is why I never bothered answering you thought you had enough knowledge to have worked it out for yourself. Sorry maybe I should have announced in the papers you buy as it shows you don't take in and read posts made here.
