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This was on R2 today, cant see what all the fuss is, sounds like a good idea to me? dunno
Ok, badly worded perhaps, but is there any thing wrong with the unemployed in one area taking work in another area?
S'pose they could argue they'd rather work in a factory/shipyard/steel mill....except Mrs T (and over zealous, self serving unionites) managed to either sell em off or bugger em up so much they closed
Tory chiefs slammed his outburst as “unacceptable” and David Cameron faced calls to sack him.
A Conservative Party spokesman said: “This is an unacceptable use of language and does not represent the views of the Conservative Party.”
Yeah, right.
But from some one who leads the Conservatives on the Local Government Association (LGA), is leader of Buckinghamshire County Counciul, sits on the South East England Regional Assembly, and is on the Executive of the County Councils Network, so you can't really say he's not some one un-important within the Tory Party and doesn't know what he's saying.

PS - Any one know any fruit picking opportunities in the UK at the moment ?
I listened to that on Radio 2. I always thought northerners were good for a laugh, but the ones ringing in to complain, had a complete sense of humour failure.
Nothing wrong with travelling around the country for work, I used to do it. Can be a lot of fun :twisted:
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I listened to that on Radio 2. I always thought northerners were good for a laugh, but the ones ringing in to complain, had a complete sense of humour failure.
Nothing wrong with travelling around the country for work, I used to do it. Can be a lot of fun :twisted:

Yes, I have to agree, one has to ask, why all the hostility to such a coment?

"Fucking northern monkeys"
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This was on R2 today, cant see what all the fuss is? dunno

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Ok, badly worded perhaps

Ha haaaa! So even though you just said you can't see what all the fuss is about, in actual fact you can see what all the fuss is about, cos deep down you clearly feel a need to qualify your comment on what he had to say with an 'Ok, badly worded perhaps'? confused :P
but is there any thing wrong with the unemployed in one area taking work in another area?

Not strictly speaking, no. Where does Mr Shakespeare, O.B.E., resident in leafy Buckinghamshire imagine we'll all live though once we've kicked the Romanians out that we're meant to replace? rolleyes
N x x x ;)
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This was on R2 today, cant see what all the fuss is? dunno

Quote by Bluefish2009
Ok, badly worded perhaps

Ha haaaa! So even though you just said you can't see what all the fuss is about, in actual fact you can see what all the fuss is about, cos deep down you clearly feel a need to qualify your comment on what he had to say with an 'Ok, badly worded perhaps'? confused :P
but is there any thing wrong with the unemployed in one area taking work in another area?

Not strictly speaking, no. Where does Mr Shakespeare, O.B.E., resident in leafy Buckinghamshire imagine we'll all live though once we've kicked the Romanians out that we're meant to replace? rolleyes
N x x x ;)
Headline badly worded
Mr Shakespeare said during a debate on the impact of cuts in poorer areas: “The north may replace the Romanians in the cherry orchards and that may be a good thing.”
Sounds very resonable to me
starve the women and children and the men will go anywhere for work (no matter how low the wages) and they will spend less and eat less. lazy phukers anyway. stop unemployment benefit and housing benefit, cancell all working tax credits, stop all 6th form further education benefits, cut invalidity benefits, in fact, fuck em all. and when we get to the bottom, in the final solution...... but pay the banksters record bonuses and keep their representative who will implement it on the gravy train. oh, and put up all taxes and charge a gallon for petrol. you never had it so good.
regards alf
O.K. Blue, I'll rephrase the question . . . .
How many workers are required to pick cherries and apples and what have you in the south? Is it a few thousand, or tens of thousands? As far as norfeners replacing Romanians go, the Office of National Statistics estimated that there were around 58 000 Romanians in the country as of 2009. Is that how many jobs we've got to look forward to? confused Seem to have got sidetracked into Romanians, and not sure how or why they got themselves involved in the argument, but hey . . . ? dunno
Now tell us Blue, how many hundreds of thousands do you think are likely to become unemployed in the coming months in the north? Simple arithmetic will prove the idiocy of Mr Shakespeares comments at some point to you if you really think about it? :?
N x x x ;)
Waits for the massed un-employed and soon to be un-employed of the South East to return to the hop picking in Kent and the 'prairies' of East Anglia...........
Soz, just woke up and turns out that was just a dream
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O.K. Blue, I'll rephrase the question . . . .
How many workers are required to pick cherries and apples and what have you in the south? Is it a few thousand, or tens of thousands? As far as norfeners replacing Romanians go, the Office of National Statistics estimated that there were around 58 000 Romanians in the country as of 2009. Is that how many jobs we've got to look forward to? confused Seem to have got sidetracked into Romanians, and not sure how or why they got themselves involved in the argument, but hey . . . ? dunno
Now tell us Blue, how many hundreds of thousands do you think are likely to become unemployed in the coming months in the north? Simple arithmetic will prove the idiocy of Mr Shakespeares comments at some point to you if you really think about it? :?
N x x x ;)

Sorry, not sure what you saying?
Are you saying that because there would not be enough jobs for every one, that no one who is unemployed should move? with that logic, they will never be employed again?
Whenever there is a recession or a depression some folk call for the indolent work shy scavengers to get back to work, believing it to be some kind of economic cure all.
The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist documents such grunts back in the 19th century. Well worth a read by the way whatever your political leanings and available free on the kindle PC application I imagine.
Anyway, its an obvious quick fix to economic problems. The problem with such solutions is that they rarely work. In this instance we have plenty of history to prove that it hasn't and predict that it wont.
Perhaps what we do need to do is strategically redistribute work across the country rather than relying on individuals to redistribute themselves. And no I am not suggesting we plant cherry trees on welsh mountain sides.
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Whenever there is a recession or a depression some folk call for the indolent work shy scavengers to get back to work, believing it to be some kind of economic cure all.
The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist documents such grunts back in the 19th century. Well worth a read by the way whatever your political leanings and available free on the kindle PC application I imagine.
Anyway, its an obvious quick fix to economic problems. The problem with such solutions is that they rarely work. In this instance we have plenty of history to prove that it hasn't and predict that it wont.
Perhaps what we do need to do is strategically redistribute work across the country rather than relying on individuals to redistribute themselves. And no I am not suggesting we plant cherry trees on welsh mountain sides.

Not sure anyone suggested it as a cure on this occasion Ben.
As a layman, I would have thought it harder to redistribute the work rather than the workers dunno
I was actually less interested with the mans words and more taken with the upset it seamed to cause with Northern folk, and wondered why they were so upset
Ahhh.
Well I cant really speak as a northerner.
I do recall moving to london for work as a young man because I could earn 3 times as much doing a similar job.
I recently moved to wales where the majority of jobs pay around minimum wage and work is scarce outside of the season.
Perhaps the quoted comments incite resentment regarding the inherent unequal distribution of wealth and job opportunities in various parts of the UK. A friend of mine said to minx only the other day----why didn't you move down to kent you can get £20 an hour as a monkey on a help desk. I don't know if that's true or not of course.
All on £20 an hour!

Well Kent and Wales are both beautiful parts of the country
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starve the women and children

Which then creates more disposable income at x***.
I like your idea.
Sorry, not sure what you saying?

Yeah, fair enough. Probably my fault that. I don't always word things as well as I'd like? I think what I was trying to say is that the man is clearly an imbecile? Even his own colleagues have swivelled their 'eads at him in a Wind your neck in you crank . . . WTF d'you think you're playing at you lunatic? kinda way? lol
I was actually less interested with the mans words and more taken with the upset it seamed to cause with Northern folk, and wondered why they were so upset

Really? You can't see why quite a lot of people, not all of them northerners I might add, would take issue with Dave's stupidly patronising and out of touch, idiotic comments given that he don't seem to have much of a grasp on what it's actually like living in the real world, given that he's not likely to be sharing in what it's like to be on the sharp end of the economic policies he seems to be endorsing any time soon, given that his solution to mass sackings is move down south and follow the harvest? confused Hopefully a farmer will pop up on here at some point and tell us how many months a year on minimum wage we can look forward to, and what we're meant to do with our families in the meantime? :?
N x x x ;)
Erm . . . no flower. Not sure I was on about lazy fuckers who'd rather spend their days watching Jeremy Kyle and Loose Women than actually work for a living? I mean the stupidly patronising idea that the mass redundancies Dave Shakespeare and his ilk are after imposing on us will in some way be offset by employers with limited needs. confused He's an idiot because the numbers will never, ever add up? One reason why northeners are somewhat offended is perhaps because they've been on the sharp end of Tory economic policy more than once, and resent the implication that mass unemployment is somehow because they're not willing to work?
N x x x ;)
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Erm . . . no flower. Not sure I was on about lazy fuckers who'd rather spend their days watching Jeremy Kyle and Loose Women than actually work for a living? I mean the stupidly patronising idea that the mass redundancies Dave Shakespeare and his ilk are after imposing on us will in some way be offset by employers with limited needs. confused He's an idiot because the numbers will never, ever add up? One reason why northeners are somewhat offended is perhaps because they've been on the sharp end of Tory economic policy more than once, and resent the implication that mass unemployment is somehow because they're not willing to work?
N x x x ;)

Firstly, I do not imagine the North has any more lazy people than the south. I don't think the idiot implied that this was a cure for the unemployment. His colleagues turned there backs because they see the reaction to his comments and fear the politically incorrect brigade. I think the comment that those from the North who may wish to fill some jobs in other areas of the country is a fair one dunno
Why dont they sack the rich bastards that caused this mess, make them pick fruit to pay off the dept they have given the rest of us.
Sorry forgot that they all vote TORY so they cant be expected to do honest work.
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Why dont they sack the rich bastards that caused this mess, make them pick fruit to pay off the dept they have given the rest of us.
Sorry forgot that they all vote TORY so they cant be expected to do honest work.

I think you will find a lot of this mess was caused by Brown and Darling.
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Why dont they sack the rich bastards that caused this mess, make them pick fruit to pay off the dept they have given the rest of us.
Sorry forgot that they all vote TORY so they cant be expected to do honest work.

I think you will find a lot of this mess was caused by Brown and Darling.
Nothing to do with the filthy rich bankers buy toxic dept then.
Then paying themselves a huge bonus, for taking the company that employes them into bankrupcy.
Any other industry would have seen them sacked for incompetence.
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Why dont they sack the rich bastards that caused this mess, make them pick fruit to pay off the dept they have given the rest of us.
Sorry forgot that they all vote TORY so they cant be expected to do honest work.

I think you will find a lot of this mess was caused by Brown and Darling.
Nothing to do with the filthy rich bankers buy toxic dept then.
Then paying themselves a huge bonus, for taking the company that employes them into bankrupcy.
Any other industry would have seen them sacked for incompetence.
I am no expert on this, but I am lead to believe the bank debt was only a very small amount of our total debt
Quote by robbo-bi1
Why dont they sack the rich bastards that caused this mess, make them pick fruit to pay off the dept they have given the rest of us.
Sorry forgot that they all vote TORY so they cant be expected to do honest work.

I think you will find a lot of this mess was caused by Brown and Darling.
Nothing to do with the filthy rich bankers buy toxic dept then.
Then paying themselves a huge bonus, for taking the company that employes them into bankrupcy.
Any other industry would have seen them sacked for incompetence.
Not disagreeing with that.
However, you blame the Tories, which is a lazy and convenient argument for the mess we are currently in. You blame the Tories, but once the bankers had got themselves into the position they did, it was left to Brown and Darling to agree to a £500bn bailout of the banks.
And with that, the two questions I have to ask you is a) how are the Tories to blame for that particular decision? b) Where did the £500bn come from?
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Why dont they sack the rich bastards that caused this mess, make them pick fruit to pay off the dept they have given the rest of us.
Sorry forgot that they all vote TORY so they cant be expected to do honest work.

I think you will find a lot of this mess was caused by Brown and Darling.
Nothing to do with the filthy rich bankers buy toxic dept then.
Then paying themselves a huge bonus, for taking the company that employes them into bankrupcy.
Any other industry would have seen them sacked for incompetence.
I am no expert on this, but I am lead to believe the bank debt was only a very small amount of our total debt
Dont you just people that think £500 billion is a small amount of money.
Quote by robbo-bi1
Why dont they sack the rich bastards that caused this mess, make them pick fruit to pay off the dept they have given the rest of us.
Sorry forgot that they all vote TORY so they cant be expected to do honest work.

I think you will find a lot of this mess was caused by Brown and Darling.
Nothing to do with the filthy rich bankers buy toxic dept then.
Then paying themselves a huge bonus, for taking the company that employes them into bankrupcy.
Any other industry would have seen them sacked for incompetence.
I am no expert on this, but I am lead to believe the bank debt was only a very small amount of our total debt
Dont you just people that think £500 billion is a small amount of money.
I don't think its a small amount, in fact I never said that, what I said was it is a small amount of our total debt
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Why dont they sack the rich bastards that caused this mess, make them pick fruit to pay off the dept they have given the rest of us.
Sorry forgot that they all vote TORY so they cant be expected to do honest work.

I think you will find a lot of this mess was caused by Brown and Darling.
Nothing to do with the filthy rich bankers buy toxic dept then.
Then paying themselves a huge bonus, for taking the company that employes them into bankrupcy.
Any other industry would have seen them sacked for incompetence.
Not disagreeing with that.
However, you blame the Tories, which is a lazy and convenient argument for the mess we are currently in. You blame the Tories, but once the bankers had got themselves into the position they did, it was left to Brown and Darling to agree to a £500bn bailout of the banks.
And with that, the two questions I have to ask you is a) how are the Tories to blame for that particular decision? b) Where did the £500bn come from?
I dont blame the Tories for the mess, only the lack of balls to make those responsible sort it out.(they wont punish those that fund them)
The money came from us the tax payers, and the filthy rich bankers wont suffer because they dont pay tax as normal people do. They use accountants to ensure its all kept in their own grubby paws.
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Why dont they sack the rich bastards that caused this mess, make them pick fruit to pay off the dept they have given the rest of us.
Sorry forgot that they all vote TORY so they cant be expected to do honest work.

I think you will find a lot of this mess was caused by Brown and Darling.
Nothing to do with the filthy rich bankers buy toxic dept then.
Then paying themselves a huge bonus, for taking the company that employes them into bankrupcy.
Any other industry would have seen them sacked for incompetence.
Not disagreeing with that.
However, you blame the Tories, which is a lazy and convenient argument for the mess we are currently in. You blame the Tories, but once the bankers had got themselves into the position they did, it was left to Brown and Darling to agree to a £500bn bailout of the banks.
And with that, the two questions I have to ask you is a) how are the Tories to blame for that particular decision? b) Where did the £500bn come from?
I dont blame the Tories for the mess, only the lack of balls to make those responsible sort it out.(they wont punish those that fund them)
The money came from us the tax payers, and the filthy rich bankers wont sufferbecause they dont pay tax as normal people do. They use accountants to ensure its all kept in their own grubby paws.
Can't argue with that!
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they dont pay tax as normal people do. They use accountants to ensure its all kept in their own grubby paws.

Tax avoidance is not illegal.