Despicable.
I don't know if B&B's are required to be licensed, but if they are, their licence should be revoked forthwith and they should feel the full weight of the law on their shoulders.
You know, when it comes down to it, with the Ireland priest issue and reports on items like this, it's a wonder any right minded individual follows any kind of religion these days.
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the right to refuse service
I read this story this morning and wondered how long it would be before the "outraged" comments came along. Not very long, it seems. This couple have a legal right to refuse service, whether it's to gays, swingers, drunks, BNP supporters or Barry Manilow fans, and I for one applaud them for sticking to their principles, even if I don't agree with them. Too much is made these days of the rights of muslims - why should the rights of dedicated christians be any less important?
The law is complex. Right and wrong is sometimes a different matter - sadly. :sad:
There should be a difference between a "proper" commercial establishment and someone who is just letting a room or two in an otherwise private house. I wouldn't be very happy about all sorts of people coming into my house, but there again, I don't let out rooms.
Plim
There should be a difference between a "proper" commercial establishment and someone who is just letting a room or two in an otherwise private house. I wouldn't be very happy about all sorts of people coming into my house, but there again, I don't let out rooms.
Plim
What a situation.
From what I have read I would say the OWNERS of the bnb have every right to refuse who they like from their premises.
Wherever you go it clearly states " entry at the managers discretion ". I cannot see why this is any different.
Surely a person has a right to refuse entry, but clearly the law is on their side so....she just should have kept her opinions to herself, and kept quite as to her real reasons.
If a couple were refused entry this would not have even made page 135, but because it is a gay couple it is a major story.
Also the artical does say " alledged " I believe. Feck if I would have done a link from the Mail it would have been laughed at and dismissed as typical tabloid selling tactics.
Maybe next time she may well deem to keep her mouth shut and just refuse entry to her bnb,but it seems nowadays if anyone was turned away they would be screaming some kind of discrimination.
Her premises.......her decision, in my opinion.
From what I have read I would say the OWNERS of the bnb have every right to refuse who they like from their premises.
Wherever you go it clearly states " entry at the managers discretion ". I cannot see why this is any different.
Surely a person has a right to refuse entry, but clearly the law is on their side so....she just should have kept her opinions to herself, and kept quite as to her real reasons.
If a couple were refused entry this would not have even made page 135, but because it is a gay couple it is a major story.
Also the artical does say " alledged " I believe. Feck if I would have done a link from the Mail it would have been laughed at and dismissed as typical tabloid selling tactics.
Maybe next time she may well deem to keep her mouth shut and just refuse entry to her bnb,but it seems nowadays if anyone was turned away they would be screaming some kind of discrimination.
Her premises.......her decision, in my opinion.
Oh I bet it is under police investigation........probably about 100 officers whilst if you was burgled in that town you would no doubt have to wait about a week for a copper to turn up. :twisted:
Btw.........I never said I agreed with her decision, only that I felt she as the owner had the right to refuse entry.
I will wait to see if a tabloid prints the story, must be ok for to do the story as they are not making any money from it?
So it is ok to give a link as long as it is not from a newspaper ?......maybe the daily's would not think it is worth reporting on?
Will keep ya posted if I see one, though to be honest the story itself does not really interest me in the slightest.
Btw.........I never said I agreed with her decision, only that I felt she as the owner had the right to refuse entry.
I will wait to see if a tabloid prints the story, must be ok for to do the story as they are not making any money from it?
So it is ok to give a link as long as it is not from a newspaper ?......maybe the daily's would not think it is worth reporting on?
Will keep ya posted if I see one, though to be honest the story itself does not really interest me in the slightest.
Sex God
There is a lovely hotel in North Wales that is run by a wonderful, courteous couple, who happen to be gay. The hotel is entirely welcoming of all sections of society and my ex and I spent a hilarious evening chatting to 3 of the queeniest queens you could imagine. They were great fun. Also the food is fabulous.
If anyone would like the name/address please pm me.
As to the case in hand - she had no right to refuse them entry, although if they had turned up drunk/stoned or with no apparent means to pay, she would have been well within her rights. She has made herself look mean and bigotted. I can understand her sticking to her 'christian' principles, but I then have to assume she didn't read the bit about love thy neighbour and all that other inconvenient stuff about actaully being NICE to people who are doing you no actual harm. Jesus himself was really nice to any number of unnacaptables, allegedly.
If anyone would like the name/address please pm me.
As to the case in hand - she had no right to refuse them entry, although if they had turned up drunk/stoned or with no apparent means to pay, she would have been well within her rights. She has made herself look mean and bigotted. I can understand her sticking to her 'christian' principles, but I then have to assume she didn't read the bit about love thy neighbour and all that other inconvenient stuff about actaully being NICE to people who are doing you no actual harm. Jesus himself was really nice to any number of unnacaptables, allegedly.
Well now what a suprise.
The answers at the bottom of the story tell a story of their own.
Does a guest house come under the same jurisdiction as a hotel?
IF this woman is religious and it is against her beliefs,who is anyone to knock those beliefs?
The Catholic church is against as is the Muslim faith, and as the Anglican church, but they are currently debating the issue.
So obviously all Catholics are bigots as are many other faiths?
People are entitled to hold their religious beliefs, even if the law says otherwise?
Me? I would have just taken their money like anyone else.
The answers at the bottom of the story tell a story of their own.
Does a guest house come under the same jurisdiction as a hotel?
IF this woman is religious and it is against her beliefs,who is anyone to knock those beliefs?
The Catholic church is against as is the Muslim faith, and as the Anglican church, but they are currently debating the issue.
So obviously all Catholics are bigots as are many other faiths?
People are entitled to hold their religious beliefs, even if the law says otherwise?
Me? I would have just taken their money like anyone else.
Sometimes I read these threads and it feels like Ive been transported back to the 1950's.
Anybody want a bulls eye, Ive just got my sweet ration.
Of course its illegal and rightly so. Whatever next, ooh I know special bus services for white heterosexual christians. Get a grip for gawds sakes.
Anybody want a bulls eye, Ive just got my sweet ration.
Of course its illegal and rightly so. Whatever next, ooh I know special bus services for white heterosexual christians. Get a grip for gawds sakes.
Quote by kentswingers777
Would this woman have recieved as much press coverage if she had refused an unmarried couple from staying at her hotel,probably not!...would anyone care...probably not ,but because its a gay couple "shock horror"...everyones outraged!
i before e except after c...
err yeah right okay!
Furthermore the law states:
The Association of Chief Police Officers distinguishes between a hate incident and a hate crime. A hate incident is:
“Any incident, which may or may not constitute a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hate.”
It is great to see some balanced views on here and not the usual bigoted, racist, sexist, ageist and amongst other views, which you find on so many other sites.
I lived in Canada for many years and there is a general view that everyone is accepted in society, regardless of his or her gender or religious beliefs. It would be great to see some more niceness instead of all this hatred.
More swinging I say or make love not war!
The Association of Chief Police Officers distinguishes between a hate incident and a hate crime. A hate incident is:
“Any incident, which may or may not constitute a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hate.”
It is great to see some balanced views on here and not the usual bigoted, racist, sexist, ageist and amongst other views, which you find on so many other sites.
I lived in Canada for many years and there is a general view that everyone is accepted in society, regardless of his or her gender or religious beliefs. It would be great to see some more niceness instead of all this hatred.
More swinging I say or make love not war!
Quote by Kaznkev
Would this woman have recieved as much press coverage if she had refused an unmarried couple from staying at her hotel,probably not!...would anyone care...probably not ,but because its a gay couple "shock horror"...everyones outraged!
for once powers i have to agree with you, Jesus condemmed adulteryand had no comment on homosexuality,the old testament also has more to say about pre marital sex than homosexuality,this is not christianity , its prejudice
But references about God say different.
Still my last comment on this subject.
The bible also states that Women should be subordinate to men and there should be no fidelity
Faith and Fidelity
How essential is faith in our relationship with God?
"... Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him" (Hebrews 11:6, NIV).
"He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much" (Luke 16:10).
Trust and fidelity—faith in God and faithfulness to His Word—are essential aspects of the way of life of the Scriptures. In the New Testament the words faith, faithful and faithfulness are all derived from the Greek word pistis. Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words defines pistis as "trust,... trust-worthiness, ... what is believed, the contents of belief, the 'faith,...' a ground for 'faith,' an assurance,... a pledge of fidelity ..." (1985, "Faith," p. 222).
Infidelity—the absence of faithfulness—is a major cause of broken relationships, especially marriages. In any close relationship faithfulness and trust are vital. Most marriage ceremonies contain a statement from each party promising to be faithful to the other—often until death. Fulfilling such a promise involves each demonstrating faithfulness to the other by continual, loving actions.
If we all took this tact there wouldn't been anyone on this site. It’s the last posting for me as I am off to bed :twisted:
Faith and Fidelity
How essential is faith in our relationship with God?
"... Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him" (Hebrews 11:6, NIV).
"He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much" (Luke 16:10).
Trust and fidelity—faith in God and faithfulness to His Word—are essential aspects of the way of life of the Scriptures. In the New Testament the words faith, faithful and faithfulness are all derived from the Greek word pistis. Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words defines pistis as "trust,... trust-worthiness, ... what is believed, the contents of belief, the 'faith,...' a ground for 'faith,' an assurance,... a pledge of fidelity ..." (1985, "Faith," p. 222).
Infidelity—the absence of faithfulness—is a major cause of broken relationships, especially marriages. In any close relationship faithfulness and trust are vital. Most marriage ceremonies contain a statement from each party promising to be faithful to the other—often until death. Fulfilling such a promise involves each demonstrating faithfulness to the other by continual, loving actions.
If we all took this tact there wouldn't been anyone on this site. It’s the last posting for me as I am off to bed :twisted:
Quote by Kaznkev
Would this woman have recieved as much press coverage if she had refused an unmarried couple from staying at her hotel,probably not!...would anyone care...probably not ,but because its a gay couple "shock horror"...everyones outraged!
for once powers i have to agree with you, Jesus condemmed adulteryand had no comment on homosexuality,the old testament also has more to say about pre marital sex than homosexuality,this is not christianity , its prejudice
But references about God say different.
Still my last comment on this subject.
The link has nothing to say about Jesus,you can argue that the Acts are inspired by the spirit,but inspiration is different from direct revelation,and that is even without getting into translation Jesus is God btw
The fact is that if Jesus had considered homosexuality that big an issue he would have commented on he commented on bigotry,prejudice,racism,sexism greed and hatred
ohh a theological debate, pls dont say it your last word
This is not really the thread to start saying this or that about God....who was the Father of Jesus, so Jesus certainly was no God.
He was brought down to Earth as a mirror of man...by God.
You want to start another thread then by all means, but not really apt in this one.
Sexlightened
Quote by Kaznkev
for once powers i have to agree with you, Jesus condemmed adultery and had no comment on homosexuality,the old testament also has more to say about pre marital sex than homosexuality,this is not christianity , its prejudice
I think the reason Jesus said nothing about homosexuality was that 'homosexual lifestyles" were virtually unknown in the Israel of his day. The Jewish laws on homosexuality prevented it from being a subject for discussion.
Sex God
yipeeeee the media circus has really got hold of this now bbc news at ten last night
i don`t think there`s enough sever space for me to write just how happy i am about all the discrimination laws in place to protect everyone but me from me : slightly off subject sorry grrrrrrrrrr
i don`t think there`s enough sever space for me to write just how happy i am about all the discrimination laws in place to protect everyone but me from me : slightly off subject sorry grrrrrrrrrr
Quote by kentswingers777
Well now what a suprise.
The answers at the bottom of the story tell a story of their own.
Does a guest house come under the same jurisdiction as a hotel?
IF this woman is religious and it is against her beliefs,who is anyone to knock those beliefs?
The Catholic church is against as is the Muslim faith, and as the Anglican church, but they are currently debating the issue.
So obviously all Catholics are bigots as are many other faiths?
People are entitled to hold their religious beliefs, even if the law says otherwise?
Me? I would have just taken their money like anyone else.
maybe even charged them double eh? :wink:
Now surely if we're including doG and Jebus in this debate, we should include the thoughts of the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny, for we are all equal these days.
I must admit I was unaware of the 2007 Act that forces acceptance on people - do the women-only B&B's know about this? Are the public 24 hour saunas now letting in 12 year-old boys?
But back to the B&B situation, how dare a white, heterosexual, married Christian couple try to stand up for their beliefs in 21st century Britain? Despicable and horrendous, oh mercy me! They should be given the harshest of all sentences comparative to the UK's modern judiciary - I'd say about 3 minutes each of community service, and damn the dastardly blaggards!!
I must admit I was unaware of the 2007 Act that forces acceptance on people - do the women-only B&B's know about this? Are the public 24 hour saunas now letting in 12 year-old boys?
But back to the B&B situation, how dare a white, heterosexual, married Christian couple try to stand up for their beliefs in 21st century Britain? Despicable and horrendous, oh mercy me! They should be given the harshest of all sentences comparative to the UK's modern judiciary - I'd say about 3 minutes each of community service, and damn the dastardly blaggards!!
Sex God
was this ever about the rights of gays
or about how much two fags could make out of being gay
sorry a gay friends words not mine
or about how much two fags could make out of being gay
sorry a gay friends words not mine
There is quite a bit of law on
Of course, if she had refused them entry because she was "full" then this would not have been an issue. She refused them entry because they were gay, which is an offence.
She/they have the right to refuse service to anyone, where she/they went wrong was to state the particular reason for refusal.
If I go for a job, and they do not want old people, then refusing me the job because of my age would make that an offence....saying "we have enough applicants now" makes it legal !
Similarly: If I go for a job and they refuse me the job because of my sexual orientation then they have stepped over the line in respect of legality (and yes, many places now have sexual orientation on the forms).
They would still have been wrong to refuse entry if the couple were lesbians....but religion (as society) seems to have no problem with female/female relationships.
Ditto: Black/asian/chinese....
You get the meaning maybe ?
Either way....
Of course, if she had refused them entry because she was "full" then this would not have been an issue. She refused them entry because they were gay, which is an offence.
She/they have the right to refuse service to anyone, where she/they went wrong was to state the particular reason for refusal.
If I go for a job, and they do not want old people, then refusing me the job because of my age would make that an offence....saying "we have enough applicants now" makes it legal !
Similarly: If I go for a job and they refuse me the job because of my sexual orientation then they have stepped over the line in respect of legality (and yes, many places now have sexual orientation on the forms).
They would still have been wrong to refuse entry if the couple were lesbians....but religion (as society) seems to have no problem with female/female relationships.
Ditto: Black/asian/chinese....
You get the meaning maybe ?
Either way....
That is all true JTS but....
IF she was already full they could have turned it around by saying they were only refused because they were gay?
It is the same as when people use the race card simply because they want their own way so use that as a means to an end.
Anyone who is discriminated against can use that old adage.
" you won't let me in because....I am black or gay or tall or fat ".
It happens all the time even when GENUINE reasons are the real reason.
Just a thought.
IF she was already full they could have turned it around by saying they were only refused because they were gay?
It is the same as when people use the race card simply because they want their own way so use that as a means to an end.
Anyone who is discriminated against can use that old adage.
" you won't let me in because....I am black or gay or tall or fat ".
It happens all the time even when GENUINE reasons are the real reason.
Just a thought.
