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10 Jun 2013

Interestingly flashing someone from behind (oo-er...) and leaving the overtaking indicator on is a perfectly reasonable way of letting someone know they need to move over on the Continent. Perhaps this is because they are better trained and more courteous drivers who know that they should mover over and accept the "flash" as simply a gentle reminder.
We on the other hand are possibly a liitle more neanderthol about it and regard it as an outrage that someone else even considers that we might be doing something wrong?

10 Jun 2013

Quote by Max777
But flashing your lights and beeping your horn are acceptable forms of telling other drivers you are there. Middle lane joggers are usually oblivious to what is around them, therefore as the highway code states it is perfectly acceptable to let other road users know you are there.

There's a world of difference between making other drivers aware that you're there and driving aggressively behind someone flashing lights and beeping horns to make someone move over. You won't find that as being acceptable anywhere in the Highway Code!
I appreciate there is a difference, but unless someone is gesticulating wildly and mouthing obscenities how can you tell?
So if I come up behind you and flash my lights and beep my horn so you're not going to pull over and you think its aggressive?
It's also not a requirement to get out of the police's way when they are flashing their lights and using two tone, but we all do. Again its a signal to tell you that they are there.
Of course it's aggressive driving. You don't think it is? Please show me where in the Highway Code that says that type of driving is acceptable at any time.
Thats what I do, not always, sometimes I cannot be bothered and leave the idiots to drive like idiots, but sometimes the outside lane is busy and travelling at a speed I don't want to join in with so yes, I flash my lights and sound my horn in accordance with the highway code, I do not tailgate or use my horn like I get a bonus for it but I do let them know I would like them to use the empty lane to their left.

10 Jun 2013

It is not only acceptable but recommended practice to sound you horn and flash your lights when, for instance, taking someone to hospital in an emergency

10 Jun 2013

Quote by flower411
Interestingly flashing someone from behind (oo-er...) and leaving the overtaking indicator on is a perfectly reasonable way of letting someone know they need to move over on the Continent. Perhaps this is because they are better trained and more courteous drivers who know that they should mover over and accept the "flash" as simply a gentle reminder.
We on the other hand are possibly a liitle more neanderthol about it and regard it as an outrage that someone else even considers that we might be doing something wrong?

It is interesting that when driving in France it often appears that drivers are much more eratic around town and in my experience can't get the hang of roundabouts at all but their motorway driving is excellent. When you see a French numberplate over here on a motorway you can be confident that they will use the road correctly and you don't have to wonder if they'll do something stupid like pratt about in the middle lane when the inside lane is clear.
I agree flower.
There's a psychological reason lying behind this, I'm almost certain.
In the UK, a driver overtaking is seen by the person being overtaken as having their space 'invaded''. They've paid their VED and so they are entitled to use that part of the road as they wish.
Just basic British arrogance at its best.
If you see a French registered car in Kent in November, keep a lookout. It could be us wink

10 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
But flashing your lights and beeping your horn are acceptable forms of telling other drivers you are there. Middle lane joggers are usually oblivious to what is around them, therefore as the highway code states it is perfectly acceptable to let other road users know you are there.

There's a world of difference between making other drivers aware that you're there and driving aggressively behind someone flashing lights and beeping horns to make someone move over. You won't find that as being acceptable anywhere in the Highway Code!
I appreciate there is a difference, but unless someone is gesticulating wildly and mouthing obscenities how can you tell?
So if I come up behind you and flash my lights and beep my horn so you're not going to pull over and you think its aggressive?
It's also not a requirement to get out of the police's way when they are flashing their lights and using two tone, but we all do. Again its a signal to tell you that they are there.
Of course it's aggressive driving. You don't think it is? Please show me where in the Highway Code that says that type of driving is acceptable at any time.
Thats what I do, not always, sometimes I cannot be bothered and leave the idiots to drive like idiots, but sometimes the outside lane is busy and travelling at a speed I don't want to join in with so yes, I flash my lights and sound my horn in accordance with the highway code, I do not tailgate or use my horn like I get a bonus for it but I do let them know I would like them to use the empty lane to their left.
Show me where it states in the Highway Code that flashing your lights and sounding your horn in order to make other motorists change lanes is acceptable.
You are now backtracking on what you posted earlier " I am a patient driver, unless on the motorway behind a middle lane hogger then I just sit behind them flashing my lights and sounding my horn until they move over" and "so yes I sound my horn, flash my lights and let the idiot in the middle lane with no reason not to move to the nearside lane that I would like them to do so, some ignore you but not for long, they start to get embarrassed at the attention your bringing to them. after all they are insecure drivers so are easily unerved and you don't even have to get close to them"
The driving you describe is totally moronic, aggressive and dangerous. You claim not to have had an accident since you we're 17 but I bet you've seen a few in your rear view mirror.

10 Jun 2013

Quote by Max777
The driving you describe is totally moronic, aggressive and dangerous. You claim not to have had an accident since you we're 17 but I bet you've seen a few in your rear view mirror.

:thumbup: Oh and a damn site more dangerous and idiotic than driving in the middle lane.

10 Jun 2013

It never ceases to amaze me how self righteous we get about our driving ability ..... There is a study should any of you care to search for it that shows a huge proportion of us when asked rate ourselves as above average drivers .... Including those in prison for motoring offences ...... There are indeed idiots at the wheel and we can all at times number ourselves amongst them

10 Jun 2013

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
It never ceases to amaze me how self righteous people get about our driving ability ..... There is a study should any of you care to search for it that shows a huge proportion of us when asked rate ourselves as above average drivers .... Including those in prison for motoring offences ...... There are indeed idiots at the wheel and we can all at times number ourselves amongst them

No need to search for the study, the evidence is here within this thread.

10 Jun 2013

Quote by flower411
It never ceases to amaze me how self righteous people get about our driving ability ..... There is a study should any of you care to search for it that shows a huge proportion of us when asked rate ourselves as above average drivers .... Including those in prison for motoring offences ...... There are indeed idiots at the wheel and we can all at times number ourselves amongst them

I have no idea why some people find it hard to believe that some drivers make every attempt to abide by the rules of the road. Of course there are times when mistakes are made but it does surprise me that people show pride in breaking the law and attempt to defend driving habits that are detrimental to other road users.
Calling people high and mighty because they attempt to drive correctly on motorways is a little strange to say the least !
Seriously .... I know how to use a knife and fork , you might just as well call me high and mighty for that !
I am, I must admit, struggling to understand why you've quoted my post

10 Jun 2013

Quote by flower411
It never ceases to amaze me how self righteous people get about our driving ability ..... There is a study should any of you care to search for it that shows a huge proportion of us when asked rate ourselves as above average drivers .... Including those in prison for motoring offences ...... There are indeed idiots at the wheel and we can all at times number ourselves amongst them

I have no idea why some people find it hard to believe that some drivers make every attempt to abide by the rules of the road. Of course there are times when mistakes are made but it does surprise me that people show pride in breaking the law and attempt to defend driving habits that are detrimental to other road users.
Calling people high and mighty because they attempt to drive correctly on motorways is a little strange to say the least !
Seriously .... I know how to use a knife and fork , you might just as well call me high and mighty for that !
I am, I must admit, struggling to understand why you've quoted my post
Because I was agreeing with you and expanding upon your comments about things that I found relevant within the thread .... I can always change it if you don't like being associated with me !
Sorry I misread the tone .... And assumed you'd done the same

11 Jun 2013

Quote by flower411
Calling people high and mighty because they attempt to drive correctly on motorways is a little strange to say the least !

It was a general comment about people that never seem to astound me with their arrogance on how perfect they always seem to say they are, when in reality they are not !
Oh I am sure that the Police would laugh at comments from people who " think " they drive properly and yet are on many occasions the worst offenders. I cannot possibly comment on your driving and your habits behind the wheel, but I am sure you do things that break the law. I am sure you speed ( on occasion of course ), I am sure you have acted in a way the law would describe as careless driving, or have you never done anything like that whilst driving.
I have admitted I use the middle lane........so what? I go at 70mph and I do not get overtaken on the outside lane by people doing the legal limit, only those that are breaking the law. In my eyes hogging the middle lane is people like in the video I showed yesterday. So there.
As I am a inconsiderate driver I suppose that also puts me into your category of people that should have the right to vote taken away as being too thick, but you drive perfectly and can obviously keep the vote? See where I am going ? :notes: High and mighty indeed.

11 Jun 2013

Quote by GnV
There's a psychological reason lying behind this, I'm almost certain.
In the UK, a driver overtaking is seen by the person being overtaken as having their space 'invaded''. They've paid their VED and so they are entitled to use that part of the road as they wish.
Just basic British arrogance at its best.

I'd just like to add to my earlier post by saying that I also think there is a further driver emotion to consider....
That of inconsideration.
If a driver pulls back in after having overtaken a slower moving vehicle, the car behind often will not 'give way' to allow the (then) driver in front back into an overtaking position when he encounters a further slower moving vehicle.
The result is that drivers learn from this experience and, out of frustration, hog the overtaking lane so as not to be incommoded by other less considerate drivers which, of course, becomes self perpetuating as the frustrated 'good' driver himself becomes an inconsiderate one. If you see what I mean.
A bit like rewarding laboratory rats with food for doing a task.
Yes, on reflection, it's a basic psychology issue. Brits are just too jealous for their own good.
"I've got it, so I'm not giving it away to anyone else."
The same trend can be seen on housing estates keeping up with the Jones'. Neighbour has a new car on the drive better than yours. An absolute must to go one better - even if it means the kids go without and they ramp up even more debt to 'prove' some point or other.
Crazy.

11 Jun 2013

i haven't posted a lot on this thread because basically i really don't find middle lane hogger's a wind up .
with today's modern traffic i find the inside lane is pretty much taken with the everyday lorry, tanker, etc etc
so in order to pass i just move into the outside lane and pass, as for the speed limit its 70 mph with a 5 % error taken into account so you can legally travel at 73mph.
if you plan your journey on a motorway at 50 mph then you shouldn't ever be then negates the any reason to get frustrated with other drivers who don't want to travel at the speed you want them too dunno

11 Jun 2013

That is a fair point and it works for you and others, but the original discussion was about the new law which makes it official not to hog the middle lane, which then escalated because someone stated they were happy to break the law and would do so, justifiying breaking the law by saying that others do is just not a viable excuse in my book and doing it with such an attitude is what has brought about the discussion.
True nobody is perfect and most of us will break a law now and again I do, but I accept it is wrong and I accept the penalities without complaint and that is the whole thing about the debate really, I was slammed in here on another thread about my willingness to break the law by my desire to send the jordanian terrorist back to jordan, people asked if I thought it right to break some laws and how I decided which were right and which were wrong, my answer then was the same I would break that law because I signed up to protect the subjects of the United Kingdom, not for personal vanity or gain.
Two wrongs don't make a right so talking about others speedig has nothing to do with a persons declaration to break a law. if it was in my power I would kick whathisname out and I would be prepared to take the consequences and I would not try to justify my actions to others who disagree.

12 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
That is a fair point and it works for you and others, but the original discussion was about the new law which makes it official not to hog the middle lane, which then escalated because someone stated they were happy to break the law and would do so, justifiying breaking the law by saying that others do is just not a viable excuse in my book and doing it with such an attitude is what has brought about the discussion.
True nobody is perfect and most of us will break a law now and again I do, but I accept it is wrong and I accept the penalities without complaint and that is the whole thing about the debate really, I was slammed in here on another thread about my willingness to break the law by my desire to send the jordanian terrorist back to jordan, people asked if I thought it right to break some laws and how I decided which were right and which were wrong, my answer then was the same I would break that law because I signed up to protect the subjects of the United Kingdom, not for personal vanity or gain.
Two wrongs don't make a right so talking about others speedig has nothing to do with a persons declaration to break a law. if it was in my power I would kick whathisname out and I would be prepared to take the consequences and I would not try to justify my actions to others who disagree.

so it has became a bit moral high ground thread ??
rather ironic on swingers site

:rotflmao:

12 Jun 2013

Quote by Lizaleanrob
so it has became a bit moral high ground thread ??
rather ironic on swingers site :rotflmao:

Seems possible Rob, and full of comments on people trying so hard to take the moral high ground, as per.

12 Jun 2013

I agree, people taking the moral high ground by claiming that their breaking the law is justified by the fact that people would also have to break the law to overtake them (assuming that they could constantly drive at 50mph during the full duration of their journey)

12 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
I agree, people taking the moral high ground by claiming that their breaking the law is justified by the fact that people would also have to break the law to overtake them (assuming that they could constantly drive at 50mph during the full duration of their journey)

No Mids not at all. I accept that in the eyes of the law I may well be nicked and the motorist is an easy target for the Police. If and it is a big if I get caught doing 70mph on a motorway, with a perfectly legal car I shall let you all know.
The trouble is people like me won't be targeted, it will be the people doing 60mph in the middle lane. Any law breaking cannot be justified Mids, but you have spent about a week on here trying to justify yours. I only speed occasionally, or I only flash my lights and sound my horn on occasion, in other words when it suits you to do so.
Sounding your horn to get people to move over is as far as I know an illegal practice. After coming back from a great day out at Chessington World of Adventures yesterday along the M25, I went out of my way to see what the effects of bad driving were on that very busy stretch of 4 lane motorway, between junctions 3 and 9. The worst culprits were the speeders and not always in the outside lane either. I was overtaking on the outside lane at around 75mph ( yes I know tut tut ) when a car undertook me on the INSIDE lane doing around 10-15 mph more than me. The other idiots are the tailgaters and boy there are a heck of a lot of them around, and also a huge problem is undertaking which occurs a lot of times by cars exceeding the speed limit on the motorway. In fact when you analysis it all doing 70mph in the middle lane is the least of the problems Police should be looking at. I was more than happy and had no problems at all yesterday either way, by keeping to the middle lane at 72mph according to my sat nav. The speeders were not in my lane and neither were the tailgaters, in fact I would say the safest place to be was in the middle lane.

12 Jun 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
I agree, people taking the moral high ground by claiming that their breaking the law is justified by the fact that people would also have to break the law to overtake them (assuming that they could constantly drive at 50mph during the full duration of their journey)

No Mids not at all. I accept that in the eyes of the law I may well be nicked and the motorist is an easy target for the Police.
So you believe that the only reason you will be "nicked" is because a motorist is an easy target and not because you are breaking the law and the Police would be doing what we pay them to do in helping make the roads safer and preventing accidents and upholding the law by having Police Officer specifically employed to patrol motorways, something you obviously believe to be a waste of time and Police resources, or alternatively they should patrol the motorways but turn a blind I to any offences they find being enacted.
If and it is a big if I get caught doing 70mph on a motorway, with a perfectly legal car I shall let you all know.
How can you be "caught" abiding by the law ? doing 70mph on unrestricted areas of motorways if perfectly legal, you would only be caught for breaking the law ie hogging the middle lane without reason.
The trouble is people like me won't be targeted, it will be the people doing 60mph in the middle lane.
Why would that be trouble, according to you what you are doing is right and sensible and the idiots are those doing 60mph and hogging a lane ? now your contradicting yourself.
Any law breaking cannot be justified Mids, but you have spent about a week on here trying to justify yours. I only speed occasionally, or I only flash my lights and sound my horn on occasion, in other words when it suits you to do so.
Flashing lights and sounding a horn in specific circumstances and in particular those I have mentioned is legal and recommended by the Highway code, I have no need to justify abiding by the Highway Code.
Saying that I accept that speeding is wrong and understanding the reasons why we have speed limits and accepting without complaint any consequences imposed upon me for so doing is NOT justifying anything it is accepting I have broken the law without any other reason than I chose to do so.
Sounding your horn to get people to move over is as far as I know an illegal practice.
Then I suggest you read the highway code and learn to drive correctly
After coming back from a great day out at Chessington World of Adventures yesterday along the M25, I went out of my way to see what the effects of bad driving were on that very busy stretch of 4 lane motorway, between junctions 3 and 9. The worst culprits were the speeders and not always in the outside lane either. I was overtaking on the outside lane at around 75mph ( yes I know tut tut ) when a car undertook me on the INSIDE lane doing around 10-15 mph more than me. The other idiots are the tailgaters and boy there are a heck of a lot of them around, and also a huge problem is undertaking which occurs a lot of times by cars exceeding the speed limit on the motorway. In fact when you analysis it all doing 70mph in the middle lane is the least of the problems Police should be looking at. I was more than happy and had no problems at all yesterday either way, by keeping to the middle lane at 72mph according to my sat nav. The speeders were not in my lane and neither were the tailgaters, in fact I would say the safest place to be was in the middle lane.
What others do has nothing to do with me or you breaking the law, I do not speed on occasions because others do, I do not hog motorway lanes because others do, I do not stick my car into the main road at junctions to push people into giving way to me because others do, I do not cut corners at junctions, cross roundabouts instead of going round them, sound my horn when stationary, drive with defects on my vehicle, drive too close to the vehicle in front even though others do. I drive the way I do and let the Police deal with those that choose to break the law and should that on rare occsions be me speeding then I accept the consequences I don't say "well others were doing this that and the other so I did"

12 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
Then I suggest you read the highway code and learn to drive correctly

Sorry Mids but that is the most hypocritical thing I have heard from anyone in a long while, seeing as some of the things you have written in this very thread. You debate without any logic or reason so many times, that in reality it is not worth the time it takes me to reply to you.
For Your reference as to what you have written about your own driving and the ( odd occurrence ) that you break the law.
The highway code clearly states....
Section 197 Be considerate " not allow yourself to become agitated or involved if someone is behaving badly on the road. This will only make the situation worse. Pull over, calm down and, when you feel relaxed, continue your journey
Section 112 The horn. Never sound your horn aggressively.
So maybe you should take a leaf out of your advice to me and " read the Highway Code and learn to drive correctly " yourself before giving kind advice to others. :thumbup:

12 Jun 2013

If someone was blocking your driveway you would probably sound your horn and flash your lights, if someone was driving eratically on a road you would probably sound your horn and flash your lights, the flash facility on healights is there to enable a driver to flash them, the highway code stipulates that flashing your lights should only be used to warn other road users of your presence and when the vehicle is in motion.
The same applies to the horn, a facility incorporated in vehicle construction to warn other road users of your presence.
So when approaching a vehicle hogging the middle land of a motorway the highway code accepts that flashing your lights and sounding your horn is a perfectly normal way of alerting them of your presence.
You have turned this into someone acting aggressively and in a state of anger, on what basis do you make this psychological assumption without being present at the incident and without knowing the mindset of the person involved or the circumstances of the incident ? or in other words, how superior do you think you are to everyone else ?
banghead

12 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
You have turned this into someone acting aggressively and in a state of anger, on what basis do you make this psychological assumption without being present at the incident and without knowing the mindset of the person involved or the circumstances of the incident ? or in other words, how superior do you think you are to everyone else ?

Flashing of your lights or the sounding of your horn Mids is aggressive when trying to force someone to move out of your way, whichever way you want to paint it and one day that action may well end up with you getting a bit more than just trying to bully them into moving into another lane when you eventually stop. You may well end up meeting someone a lot more aggressive than you Mids.
How superior? Ermmmm, rather a lot actually. :giggle:

12 Jun 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

You have turned this into someone acting aggressively and in a state of anger, on what basis do you make this psychological assumption without being present at the incident and without knowing the mindset of the person involved or the circumstances of the incident ? or in other words, how superior do you think you are to everyone else ?

Flashing of your lights or the sounding of your horn Mids is aggressive when trying to force someone to move out of your way, whichever way you want to paint it and one day that action may well end up with you getting a bit more than just trying to bully them into moving into another lane when you eventually stop. You may well end up meeting someone a lot more aggressive than you Mids.
How superior? Ermmmm, rather a lot actually. :giggle:
Then campaign to have the flashing light capability removed from cars, horns removed, laws brought in to stop people doing what the highway code allows and the highway code changed to suit your perception of legal road signals.
I said earlier that people who hog middle lanes were selfish, insecure drivers, you have proved to me that they are illiterate morons who just cannot accpet when they are wrong and the law says YOU ARE WRONG
End of conversation you cannot talk to people who will not listen and whilst I accept nobody has to listen to me a refusal to listen to the law is crass stupidity and I dont wish to talk to stupid people.

12 Jun 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

You have turned this into someone acting aggressively and in a state of anger, on what basis do you make this psychological assumption without being present at the incident and without knowing the mindset of the person involved or the circumstances of the incident ? or in other words, how superior do you think you are to everyone else ?

Flashing of your lights or the sounding of your horn Mids is aggressive when trying to force someone to move out of your way, whichever way you want to paint it and one day that action may well end up with you getting a bit more than just trying to bully them into moving into another lane when you eventually stop. You may well end up meeting someone a lot more aggressive than you Mids.
How superior? Ermmmm, rather a lot actually. :giggle:
You mean alerting them to your approach from behind by flashing is aggressive? Your type of driving causes the most anxiety and frustration because you have no concern for other road users. The person who under-took you was wrong, but had you been in the correct lane he would not have had to do that.
If you are in the middle lane doing 70mph, the inside lane is empty and you see cars bunched up in the outside lane overtaking you then this is your fault and you are as equally breaking the law by hogging as they are by speeding. You are creating anxiety and frustration and it is not your job to Police the motorway. Get over into the correct lane and just show a bit of courtesy and respect. In the example illustrated If someone was coming up behind you faster than you and the outside lane was also busy, there would be nothing aggressive about him flashing to let you know of his presence and giving you the opportunity to free up a lane of the motorway that you are effectively blocking.
Why are you so hung up on blaming speeding motorists for your own poor driving habit? Just show some courtesy and respect and focus on your own good driving rather than your perception of other people's bad driving.

12 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
Then campaign to have the flashing light capability removed from cars, horns removed, laws brought in to stop people doing what the highway code allows and the highway code changed to suit your perception of legal road signals.
I said earlier that people who hog middle lanes were selfish, insecure drivers, you have proved to me that they are illiterate morons who just cannot accpet when they are wrong and the law says YOU ARE WRONG
End of conversation you cannot talk to people who will not listen and whilst I accept nobody has to listen to me a refusal to listen to the law is crass stupidity and I dont wish to talk to stupid people.

Cheers Mids.
With all the other problems that road users do like excessive speed, tailgating, drink driving, dangerous driving, talking on the mobile, texting whilst driving, and they deem to up the fines on middle lane drivers. I know where their priorities lie. or more to the point making their revenues increase more easily.
C ya wave

12 Jun 2013

i recently traveled from London to Bristol on the was i was doing between 60 and 70 mph,
passing me was cars probably doing in excess of 80, with a rather visible police car at times in front of me doing 65mph they did little to catch the speeders? who passed them at the same speed they passed me
so how do you think they will react to this new law rolleyes

12 Jun 2013

Quote by flower411
i recently traveled from London to Bristol on the was i was doing between 60 and 70 mph,
passing me was cars probably doing in excess of 80, with a rather visible police car at times in front of me doing 65mph they did little to catch the speeders? who passed them at the same speed they passed me
so how do you think they will react to this new law

I'd hazard a guess that the police will target the people they think are causing problems on the motorway. If lawbreakers can be selective about the laws they'll follow I'm sure the police are equally entitled to pick the ones to enforce.
I agree with flower but Lizaleanrob do you know for sure that they were not dealing with the obvious speeders, they are not all dealt with by blues and twos chasing cars on a busy motorway, evidence is often recorded on camera on board Police Cars or on static motorway cameras or by calling in unrecognisable Q cars, methods the Police have said can bring more substantial results. Our courts these days seem to like having substantial video evidence when prosecuting offenders of all forms of crime.

12 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
So when approaching a vehicle hogging the middle land of a motorway the highway code accepts that flashing your lights and sounding your horn is a perfectly normal way of alerting them of your presence.
You have turned this into someone acting aggressively and in a state of anger, on what basis do you make this psychological assumption without being present at the incident and without knowing the mindset of the person involved or the circumstances of the incident ? or in other words, how superior do you think you are to everyone else ?

Show me where in the Highway Code that it states that it is acceptable driving to drive up behind a car flashing your lights and sounding your horn in order to make the other driver move over.
"so yes I sound my horn, flash my lights and let the idiot in the middle lane with no reason not to move to the nearside lane that I would like them to do so, some ignore you but not for long, they start to get embarrassed at the attention your bringing to them. after all they are insecure drivers so are easily unerved and you don't even have to get close to them" ....these are your very own words. I'd say that is the act of someone acting aggressively in a state of anger!
You should really be careful about calling other people morons when you yourself come out with such moronic drivel.

12 Jun 2013

Quote by flower411
i recently traveled from London to Bristol on the was i was doing between 60 and 70 mph,
passing me was cars probably doing in excess of 80, with a rather visible police car at times in front of me doing 65mph they did little to catch the speeders? who passed them at the same speed they passed me
so how do you think they will react to this new law

I'd hazard a guess that the police will target the people they think are causing problems on the motorway. If lawbreakers can be selective about the laws they'll follow I'm sure the police are equally entitled to pick the ones to enforce.
now there's a thought selective prosecutions and the idea that your only breaking the law when the lawman thinks fit!!
thanks for clearing that up
i rest my point i doubt many more people will be prosecuted for hogging the middle lane than there is now wink

12 Jun 2013

Quote by Max777

So when approaching a vehicle hogging the middle land of a motorway the highway code accepts that flashing your lights and sounding your horn is a perfectly normal way of alerting them of your presence.
You have turned this into someone acting aggressively and in a state of anger, on what basis do you make this psychological assumption without being present at the incident and without knowing the mindset of the person involved or the circumstances of the incident ? or in other words, how superior do you think you are to everyone else ?

Show me where in the Highway Code that it states that it is acceptable driving to drive up behind a car flashing your lights and sounding your horn in order to make the other driver move over.
"so yes I sound my horn, flash my lights and let the idiot in the middle lane with no reason not to move to the nearside lane that I would like them to do so, some ignore you but not for long, they start to get embarrassed at the attention your bringing to them. after all they are insecure drivers so are easily unerved and you don't even have to get close to them" ....these are your very own words. I'd say that is the act of someone acting aggressively in a state of anger!
You should really be careful about calling other people morons when you yourself come out with such moronic drivel.
Show me where I have stated I close to a car when I want them to move out of the middle lane and into the empty nearside lane, I prefer to do this from a distance so that they make the manouver before I get close enough to have to reduce my speed, I really don't want to drop from 70 to 50 driving behind them someone else who decides the scenario for themselves, I am quite capable of sitting a safe distance behind the vehicle in front of me, as I have said in here I do not tailgate, I assume that is done because it is what you do and you think everyone else does the same.