Over the Bank holiday weekend a group of travellers moved into this area, and then continued to ilegally erect roads and all sorts, for an illegal camp.
Where is the law to protect people from this kind of outrage?
Just imagine living here and this happening in your back yard.
Decent taxpayers have to apply to their local councils for permission to put up a shed in their back gardens, and then have to wait for some council twat to agree to it under planning permission laws. The very laws that these people should have to adhere too.
The councils are too scared to confront these people, so through fear and intimidation, no doubt they will be allowed to stay, and build anything like like whilst others cannot.
Are these people above the law and if not how can they be allowed to do what 99% of others would not be able too?
I think it is a disgrace and this is similar to squatters being able to ilegally enter a home and take up rights on a property that they are ilegally in.
I think a law should be brought in whereby the police can move them on within 24 hours of this hapening. No if's or but's, just do to them what they would do to me if I tried something like this.
Are these people above the law because people in authority are either too scared or would feel threatened or intimidated if they decided to act?
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I think you voice of how many feel 777 though I guess, though I don't know, that there are probably rules and laws that have to be followed as these travellers also have a right to legal protection and human rights of some description.
My answer would be too give Swindon over the travellers - they can have it for nothing on condition thats where they stay. Obviously i would firstly let the poor long suffering citizens of Swindon have their dream of escaping to other places, that would be big piece of humanitarian work i think.
My answer would be too give Swindon over the travellers - they can have it for nothing on condition thats where they stay. Obviously i would firstly let the poor long suffering citizens of Swindon have their dream of escaping to other places, that would be big piece of humanitarian work i think.
Losty my only gripe here is that the law should apply to everyone.
We see the majorities having to abide by the laws of the land and the minorities a lot of the time being allowed to flout it.
I do not care if you are a traveller or black or white or green.....the same laws should apply to everyone, and there is where the problem lies.
These people may well have " human rights ", but then again so do the people who are now being forced to look out onto an illegal eyesore.
The local council ( if it were you or I ), would by now have us in court but....this will drag on for years and in the end the council will be powerless to do anything at all. They will simply give up and another group of people will see this and think they can do it too. The law needs to be tougher much tougher, and forget about human rights laws as they do NOT apply here.
They have NO planning permission and on that basis the council through the courts, should be able to evict them as easily as if it was you or me....bet ya they won't though.
One law for one and one for the rest.
We see the majorities having to abide by the laws of the land and the minorities a lot of the time being allowed to flout it.
I do not care if you are a traveller or black or white or green.....the same laws should apply to everyone, and there is where the problem lies.
These people may well have " human rights ", but then again so do the people who are now being forced to look out onto an illegal eyesore.
The local council ( if it were you or I ), would by now have us in court but....this will drag on for years and in the end the council will be powerless to do anything at all. They will simply give up and another group of people will see this and think they can do it too. The law needs to be tougher much tougher, and forget about human rights laws as they do NOT apply here.
They have NO planning permission and on that basis the council through the courts, should be able to evict them as easily as if it was you or me....bet ya they won't though.
One law for one and one for the rest.
A couple of years ago, a local farmer had a group of travellers (can't call them gypos any more 
) camp on his land. It would have taken him years to get rid of them but he quietly turned up one morning with a huge digger ready to close off the only access to his land. He gave them 10 minutes to leave or they would never have the opportunity to do so again.
I worked wonders. They departed never to be seen again. :grin:
) camp on his land. It would have taken him years to get rid of them but he quietly turned up one morning with a huge digger ready to close off the only access to his land. He gave them 10 minutes to leave or they would never have the opportunity to do so again.I worked wonders. They departed never to be seen again. :grin:
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and then have to wait for some council twat
Is this similar to:
a) Policeman twat?
b) Printer twat?
c) Taxi driver twat?
d) Farmer twat?
Having an opinion is one thing but, calling people names to bolster your cause does not make me side with your way of thinking.
The rest of it I agree with.........but most of these "Council twats" are just ordinary folk doing their job within the confines of what the employers want. If you want to beef at someone over this issue then get hold of your local Councillor/MP and give them the grief to get the laws changed or, in most cases, having the bottle to uphold the law.
I think the majority of the time that Local Authorities do not take cases to court is because if they lose then they have to pay the defendants costs. Sometimes these costs run into 6 or 7 figures. If your local council is a district council then their budgets are really small and for them to pay the bill will mean real reductions in services to the local population. They have taken the choice to put up with the illegal site as it will be cheaper in the long run than to chance losing a case.
My way forward is to have a central fund for court cases made available by the government where LAs can dip into it to fight for the local populations rights. Until this happens then we will continually see things like this. Which is sad.
Dave_Notts
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If they're travellers, why do they want to stay in one place?
They travel to one place, thieve and rob and dump shit everywhere then move on=travellers
This is a very general remark and not all travellers are like this. There are a number of different types of traveller, where some make a valued contribution to the countries economy.
Dave_Notts
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and then have to wait for some council twat
Is this similar to:
a) Policeman twat?
b) Printer twat?
c) Taxi driver twat?
d) Farmer twat?
Having an opinion is one thing but, calling people names to bolster your cause does not make me side with your way of thinking.
The rest of it I agree with.........but most of these "Council twats" are just ordinary folk doing their job within the confines of what the employers want. If you want to beef at someone over this issue then get hold of your local Councillor/MP and give them the grief to get the laws changed or, in most cases, having the bottle to uphold the law.
I think the majority of the time that Local Authorities do not take cases to court is because if they lose then they have to pay the defendants costs. Sometimes these costs run into 6 or 7 figures. If your local council is a district council then their budgets are really small and for them to pay the bill will mean real reductions in services to the local population. They have taken the choice to put up with the illegal site as it will be cheaper in the long run than to chance losing a case.
My way forward is to have a central fund for court cases made available by the government where LAs can dip into it to fight for the local populations rights. Until this happens then we will continually see things like this. Which is sad.
Dave_Notts
Ah...the definition of the word " twat " is...........a stupid or obnoxious person.
I see far worse used on here I think.
So yes I think they are " twats ".
The main reasons councils do nothing about this is they are fearful and quite often intimidated. You want to get on the wrong side of these people? Thought not.
It has nowt to do with money but everything to do with allowing people like this to get away with virtually anything.
If the law is adhered too, then there should be no problem kicking these people into touch legally. They have NO planning permission so where is the problem? A quick court hearing, stuff their human rights bollox, and think about the human rights of those people who are then forced to live next door to them.
Sorry but the law is there to protect people. The law is not there to allow certain members of society to flout it openly...sorry that's just taking the Mick.
But once again the council " twats " will lose their bottle and allow them to stay put. Just don't expect this council to grant someone their permission to erect a large shed, that would be against their planning laws............yeah right.
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So yes I think they are " twats ".
All Council workers?
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The main reasons councils do nothing about this is they are fearful and quite often intimidated.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Nah. I work with travellers. I have not been intimidated in over 10 years. To suggest otherwise is laughable.
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It has nowt to do with money but everything to do with allowing people like this to get away with virtually anything.
Nope. It is money.
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If the law is adhered too, then there should be no problem kicking these people into touch legally. They have NO planning permission so where is the problem? A quick court hearing, stuff their human rights bollox, and think about the human rights of those people who are then forced to live next door to them.
Sorry but the law is there to protect people. The law is not there to allow certain members of society to flout it openly...sorry that's just taking the Mick.
But once again the council " twats " will lose their bottle and allow them to stay put. Just don't expect this council to grant someone their permission to erect a large shed, that would be against their planning laws............yeah right.
Most councils are waiting for a Judicial Review that is winging its way through the system regarding one site. They are unwilling to spend their local residents Council Tax on something that may be overturned.........or would you prefer them to waste it? It is your services that would be affected. Where legislation can be brought to bear then it is.......whether people are travellers or not
Dave_Notts
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If they're travellers, why do they want to stay in one place?
They travel to one place, thieve and rob and dump shit everywhere then move on=travellers
This is a very general remark and not all travellers are like this. There are a number of different types of traveller, where some make a valued contribution to the countries economy.
Dave_Notts
Enlightenment please Dave...
I think all the man in the street sees is unregistered vehicles, massive tips of rubbish collected without a licence, and sometimes caravans fit for royalty. Their kids are schooled at public expense and the general impression is they pay no tax.
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So yes I think they are " twats ".
All Council workers?
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The main reasons councils do nothing about this is they are fearful and quite often intimidated.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Nah. I work with travellers. I have not been intimidated in over 10 years. To suggest otherwise is laughable.
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It has nowt to do with money but everything to do with allowing people like this to get away with virtually anything.
Nope. It is money.
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If the law is adhered too, then there should be no problem kicking these people into touch legally. They have NO planning permission so where is the problem? A quick court hearing, stuff their human rights bollox, and think about the human rights of those people who are then forced to live next door to them.
Sorry but the law is there to protect people. The law is not there to allow certain members of society to flout it openly...sorry that's just taking the Mick.
But once again the council " twats " will lose their bottle and allow them to stay put. Just don't expect this council to grant someone their permission to erect a large shed, that would be against their planning laws............yeah right.
Most councils are waiting for a Judicial Review that is winging its way through the system regarding one site. They are unwilling to spend their local residents Council Tax on something that may be overturned.........or would you prefer them to waste it? It is your services that would be affected. Where legislation can be brought to bear then it is.......whether people are travellers or not
Dave_Notts
Even for you Davey that is a laughable excuse.
So in working with them does that mean you help them?
We have a permanent site near to where I live. All respectful they are, all pay taxes they do....yeah right.
The local pub that they use had a new change of manager about three years ago. He wanted to change his pub into something a bit more up market, somewhere nice to eat. So he told the " residents " they were not welcome. Two months later he was shot. Coincidence?
Sorry but I asgree with GNV'S take on things to the average man. :wink:
The Pearly Gates
40 Gypsies arrive at the Pearly Gates in their Transit vans and caravans.
St Peter goes into the gatehouse and phones up God, saying. 'I've got 40
travellers here. Can I let them in?'
God says 'We are over quota on Pikeys . Go out to the Pearly Gates and tell them to choose
between them which are the 12 most worthy, and I will let just the dozen in.'
Less than a minute later St Peter is on the phone to God again. 'They've
gone', he tells God.
'What?' says God, 'All 40 of them?'
'No, the Pearly Gates'.
40 Gypsies arrive at the Pearly Gates in their Transit vans and caravans.
St Peter goes into the gatehouse and phones up God, saying. 'I've got 40
travellers here. Can I let them in?'
God says 'We are over quota on Pikeys . Go out to the Pearly Gates and tell them to choose
between them which are the 12 most worthy, and I will let just the dozen in.'
Less than a minute later St Peter is on the phone to God again. 'They've
gone', he tells God.
'What?' says God, 'All 40 of them?'
'No, the Pearly Gates'.
Sex God
In general the travellers have a well deserved bad image. I see nothing that they do to aid the wider community. As for frightening and intimidating well i'm afraid that they very much can be. Along with evasive violent obnoxious lying deceitful and thoroughly obnoxious. OK, that is not all of them but a sizeable number. I've been on the end of some pikey problems of the violent, intimidating and abusive nature following a theft from my parents house by a number of them a few years ago. Obviously this could happen from other sectors of society but it didn't it was from pikey travellers.
However, due process has to take place and I would prefer they had the same legal protection and rights as everyone else no matter how they abuse others. The way forward is I agree with Dave - a central funding policy with regards to councils being able to confidently take issue with these people without fear of detrimental effects on the wider populace through costs etc.
For what its worth though the travellers have destroyed a certain number of dogging venues around our local area. OK so that makes no odds to us non-doggers but to our mates that are, the big stone boulders and barred entrances to many a "suitable" area are testament to local councils trying to prevent pikey invasion and squatting and for the doggers thats a great shame.
However, due process has to take place and I would prefer they had the same legal protection and rights as everyone else no matter how they abuse others. The way forward is I agree with Dave - a central funding policy with regards to councils being able to confidently take issue with these people without fear of detrimental effects on the wider populace through costs etc.
For what its worth though the travellers have destroyed a certain number of dogging venues around our local area. OK so that makes no odds to us non-doggers but to our mates that are, the big stone boulders and barred entrances to many a "suitable" area are testament to local councils trying to prevent pikey invasion and squatting and for the doggers thats a great shame.
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So yes I think they are " twats ".
All Council workers?
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The main reasons councils do nothing about this is they are fearful and quite often intimidated.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Nah. I work with travellers. I have not been intimidated in over 10 years. To suggest otherwise is laughable.
Quote by kentswingers777
It has nowt to do with money but everything to do with allowing people like this to get away with virtually anything.
Nope. It is money.
Quote by kentswingers777
If the law is adhered too, then there should be no problem kicking these people into touch legally. They have NO planning permission so where is the problem? A quick court hearing, stuff their human rights bollox, and think about the human rights of those people who are then forced to live next door to them.
Sorry but the law is there to protect people. The law is not there to allow certain members of society to flout it openly...sorry that's just taking the Mick.
But once again the council " twats " will lose their bottle and allow them to stay put. Just don't expect this council to grant someone their permission to erect a large shed, that would be against their planning laws............yeah right.
Most councils are waiting for a Judicial Review that is winging its way through the system regarding one site. They are unwilling to spend their local residents Council Tax on something that may be overturned.........or would you prefer them to waste it? It is your services that would be affected. Where legislation can be brought to bear then it is.......whether people are travellers or not
Dave_Notts
Even for you Davey that is a laughable excuse.
So in working with them does that mean you help them?
We have a permanent site near to where I live. All respectful they are, all pay taxes they do....yeah right.
The local pub that they use had a new change of manager about three years ago. He wanted to change his pub into something a bit more up market, somewhere nice to eat. So he told the " residents " they were not welcome. Two months later he was shot. Coincidence?
Sorry but I asgree with GNV'S take on things to the average man. :wink:
How about proving all your allegations, Kenty, instead of just assuming they don't pay taxes and shoot people. How about proving it's not about money but about different rules?
Start backing things up with facts and stop just coming on here and insulting people and making derogatory remarks. If you can't do it, don't post. If you can back it all up with facts, please enlighten us all.
and while we're at it, what difference does it make if Dave works with them or for them? Could it be that you feel threatened that he may be speaking from a position of knowledge against your rhetoric and that by belittling him it might strengthen your case?
Mal
Quote by Mal
So yes I think they are " twats ".
All Council workers?
Quote by kentswingers777
The main reasons councils do nothing about this is they are fearful and quite often intimidated.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Nah. I work with travellers. I have not been intimidated in over 10 years. To suggest otherwise is laughable.
Quote by kentswingers777
It has nowt to do with money but everything to do with allowing people like this to get away with virtually anything.
Nope. It is money.
Quote by kentswingers777
If the law is adhered too, then there should be no problem kicking these people into touch legally. They have NO planning permission so where is the problem? A quick court hearing, stuff their human rights bollox, and think about the human rights of those people who are then forced to live next door to them.
Sorry but the law is there to protect people. The law is not there to allow certain members of society to flout it openly...sorry that's just taking the Mick.
But once again the council " twats " will lose their bottle and allow them to stay put. Just don't expect this council to grant someone their permission to erect a large shed, that would be against their planning laws............yeah right.
Most councils are waiting for a Judicial Review that is winging its way through the system regarding one site. They are unwilling to spend their local residents Council Tax on something that may be overturned.........or would you prefer them to waste it? It is your services that would be affected. Where legislation can be brought to bear then it is.......whether people are travellers or not
Dave_Notts
Even for you Davey that is a laughable excuse.
So in working with them does that mean you help them?
We have a permanent site near to where I live. All respectful they are, all pay taxes they do....yeah right.
The local pub that they use had a new change of manager about three years ago. He wanted to change his pub into something a bit more up market, somewhere nice to eat. So he told the " residents " they were not welcome. Two months later he was shot. Coincidence?
Sorry but I asgree with GNV'S take on things to the average man. :wink:
How about proving all your allegations, Kenty, instead of just assuming they don't pay taxes and shoot people. How about proving it's not about money but about different rules?
Start backing things up with facts and stop just coming on here and insulting people and making derogatory remarks. If you can't do it, don't post. If you can back it all up with facts, please enlighten us all.
and while we're at it, what difference does it make if Dave works with them or for them? Could it be that you feel threatened that he may be speaking from a position of knowledge against your rhetoric and that by belittling him it might strengthen your case?
Mal
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Never make assumptions that have no standing.
Sex God
I have taught several traveller children - all the families are/were lovely people.
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If they're travellers, why do they want to stay in one place?
They travel to one place, thieve and rob and dump shit everywhere then move on=travellers
This is a very general remark and not all travellers are like this. There are a number of different types of traveller, where some make a valued contribution to the countries economy.
Dave_Notts
Enlightenment please Dave...
I think all the man in the street sees is unregistered vehicles, massive tips of rubbish collected without a licence, and sometimes caravans fit for royalty. Their kids are schooled at public expense and the general impression is they pay no tax.
A lot of travellers were and still are seasonal workers. Those types of people that you see working the fields to pick the crops where mechanisation is not an option. The community works and adds to this country by doing the type of work that I have never had to do........literally back breaking field work. All my respect to them, because without them I can not enjoy some of the foods I enjoy. The travellers and immigrants to this country are given short shrift but think who does all this work?
Now I will not stand here and say every single traveller is an angel but to class every single one of them as thieves or the disgusting word I have seen here "scum" is a disgrace. People should look inward before lashing out.
Traveller vehicles have to be licensed, mot'd and insured. With new police powers any vehicle in this country can be removed if they are not.
Majority of fly tipping in this country is undertaken by legitamate non traveller businesses. A temp/permanent camp in our district has a part of the camp set up to accept skips. The travellers have licensed the site and themselves as waste carriers to legitimately undertake their businesses.
Their caravans are fit for Royalty. I made the mistake of going into one with my shoes on once. The lady whose caravan it was nearly took my head off my shoulders for bringing dirt into her "Home". This is what these caravans are. Their homes and they will purchase whatever they can afford. Some of the travellers do have more money than others. Just the same as me really as I will put the nicest things I can afford into my house.
Their kids are schooled at public expense........and being a traveller does not make them any less a member of the public as you or me. They are entitled to schooling.
As far as the tax goes........I can not comment as I have never been privilged to inspect their tax reciepts.......nor have I been priveliged to inspect any small/medium business in the UK.
Dave_Notts
The other post really covers what you wrote except this bit.
I advise them to comply and to stay within the law.
When that fails I prosecute and evict them depending on the piece of legislation they have breached.
So I am their friend and enemy all rolled into one. And I have never been intimidated or assaulted in ten years (accept the dirty shoes incidence, and that was at the start of my job and I have never made the same mistake again)
Dave_Notts
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So in working with them does that mean you help them?
I advise them to comply and to stay within the law.
When that fails I prosecute and evict them depending on the piece of legislation they have breached.
So I am their friend and enemy all rolled into one. And I have never been intimidated or assaulted in ten years (accept the dirty shoes incidence, and that was at the start of my job and I have never made the same mistake again)
Dave_Notts
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So yes I think they are " twats ".
All Council workers?
Quote by kentswingers777
The main reasons councils do nothing about this is they are fearful and quite often intimidated.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Nah. I work with travellers. I have not been intimidated in over 10 years. To suggest otherwise is laughable.
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It has nowt to do with money but everything to do with allowing people like this to get away with virtually anything.
Nope. It is money.
Quote by kentswingers777
If the law is adhered too, then there should be no problem kicking these people into touch legally. They have NO planning permission so where is the problem? A quick court hearing, stuff their human rights bollox, and think about the human rights of those people who are then forced to live next door to them.
Sorry but the law is there to protect people. The law is not there to allow certain members of society to flout it openly...sorry that's just taking the Mick.
But once again the council " twats " will lose their bottle and allow them to stay put. Just don't expect this council to grant someone their permission to erect a large shed, that would be against their planning laws............yeah right.
Most councils are waiting for a Judicial Review that is winging its way through the system regarding one site. They are unwilling to spend their local residents Council Tax on something that may be overturned.........or would you prefer them to waste it? It is your services that would be affected. Where legislation can be brought to bear then it is.......whether people are travellers or not
Dave_Notts
Even for you Davey that is a laughable excuse.
So in working with them does that mean you help them?
We have a permanent site near to where I live. All respectful they are, all pay taxes they do....yeah right.
The local pub that they use had a new change of manager about three years ago. He wanted to change his pub into something a bit more up market, somewhere nice to eat. So he told the " residents " they were not welcome. Two months later he was shot. Coincidence?
Sorry but I asgree with GNV'S take on things to the average man. :wink:
How about proving all your allegations, Kenty, instead of just assuming they don't pay taxes and shoot people. How about proving it's not about money but about different rules?
Start backing things up with facts and stop just coming on here and insulting people and making derogatory remarks. If you can't do it, don't post. If you can back it all up with facts, please enlighten us all.
and while we're at it, what difference does it make if Dave works with them or for them? Could it be that you feel threatened that he may be speaking from a position of knowledge against your rhetoric and that by belittling him it might strengthen your case?
Mal
Thanks for the advice Mal. :wink:
For the record It WAS a traveller that shot the pub owner. To prove it would be to give away my exact location, which I am not prepared to do.
Obviously I cannot prove they all pay no tax, but I bet the Inland Revenue would say different. Most of their work is paid in cash....collecting scrap, or doing garden work, that I know to be a fact.
As for Davey am sure he is more than capable of answering for himself, if he chooses to, which he has done with me many times.
Who exactly have I insulted? It is a fact the newspapers artical at the top of this thread bears testiment to that fact.
Derogatory remarks is someones opinions of another persons opinions sometimes.
Also Davey knows only too well that I would never " belittle " him. I think he knows and that was not my intention.
In edit....I for one did not use the word " scum " just for the record. I have travellers come into my business to take away our scrap metal, and a really nice guy he is too.
They are obviously NOT all the same, as there are many and I mean many decent travellers out there.
The issue here was about being able to build on land with NO planning permission and get away with it. I asked was it through intimidation and fear that the councils very often do nothing.
There is a very famous travellers site in Essex which featured on a tv programme last year. The travellers built on it and the council took them to court which took years to do. The outcome I am not too sure about but.....local councillors came out on that programme and said they had been intimidated and were fearful...so it happens.
The major problem that people see are the travellers that move from site to site. Where they illegaly occupy land, then move on when the police arrive, leaving behind tons of shite....thats a fact.
I am also fully aware of some of the lovely caravans they have, cleaner than a new pin, and people who give to their communities.
Then there are also the other sides. Why do you think they occupy land and build on it? If they thought for a second they would be booted off, do you really think they would bother? The councils try to act, but whether it be through fear or intimidation, or the judicial system, most times they are allowed to stay and build without the permission that the law says that I would have to abide by.
Both my grandparents were travelling gypsies, my Dad was the last to be born in a caravan before they settled down.
As a child growing up (in a house I might add) we heard all the insults you can come up with and put up with the prejudiced of local police. Anything that went missing locally - we were the first point of call because of who we were and where we came from.
So, that makes me the daughter of the so called *scum*. Well, I'm proud of my family and our history.
As in all walks of life - you get good and bad. Don't judge them all though eh??? Cos the majority of them are lovely friendly law abiding people...
As a child growing up (in a house I might add) we heard all the insults you can come up with and put up with the prejudiced of local police. Anything that went missing locally - we were the first point of call because of who we were and where we came from.
So, that makes me the daughter of the so called *scum*. Well, I'm proud of my family and our history.
As in all walks of life - you get good and bad. Don't judge them all though eh??? Cos the majority of them are lovely friendly law abiding people...
Sex God
Anais, my great-great-grandmother was a Romany gypsy.
OK - I'm prepared for the grief but I have to have my say anyway - I'm amazed that the bigotry (is it racism? against the lifestyle of people called travellers - and therefore against the AUP) in this thread has been allowed to stand.
I'm not talking about the individual cases discussed - those based on actual episodes - everyone has a right to express their annoyance at actual events - but I'm talking about the generalistion - calling people who share the travellers' lifestyle, "scum", "thieves", etc.
Is there not good and bad in every race?
As someone who hails from the North West, and whose accent leads to them being called a "scouser" - I have heard every scouse stereotype joke going - some said with the vehemence of some of the posts on here - but I suspect that if any of those type of generalisation were posted on this site they would have been deleted sharpish.
I'm not talking about the individual cases discussed - those based on actual episodes - everyone has a right to express their annoyance at actual events - but I'm talking about the generalistion - calling people who share the travellers' lifestyle, "scum", "thieves", etc.
Is there not good and bad in every race?
As someone who hails from the North West, and whose accent leads to them being called a "scouser" - I have heard every scouse stereotype joke going - some said with the vehemence of some of the posts on here - but I suspect that if any of those type of generalisation were posted on this site they would have been deleted sharpish.
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It's being looked at, Cherrytree.
Mal
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Quote by Cherrytree
OK - I'm prepared for the grief but I have to have my say anyway - I'm amazed that the bigotry (is it racism? against the lifestyle of people called travellers - and therefore against the AUP) in this thread has been allowed to stand.
I'm not talking about the individual cases discussed - those based on actual episodes - everyone has a right to express their annoyance at actual events - but I'm talking about the generalistion - calling people who share the travellers' lifestyle, "scum", "thieves", etc.
Is there not good and bad in every race?
As someone who hails from the North West, and whose accent leads to them being called a "scouser" - I have heard every scouse stereotype joke going - some said with the vehemence of some of the posts on here - but I suspect that if any of those type of generalisation were posted on this site they would have been deleted sharpish.
Halleluya to that!
Sexlightened
This is a complex one ! I'm coming into it from a different angle in that I keep lurchers (thats a type of working dog for those of you who don't know !), which is a type of dog also favoured by travellers.
Briefly, how I always put it is that I have found both extremes within the gypsy community - some really nice people who are kind to their dogs and honest...and some real dodgy types (I'm being polite here !).
Some gypsies have maintained their culture into modern times, some seem to have lost their way, which can lead to problems, anyway, enough of the politics - I've got to feed my lurcher puppies !
Briefly, how I always put it is that I have found both extremes within the gypsy community - some really nice people who are kind to their dogs and honest...and some real dodgy types (I'm being polite here !).
Some gypsies have maintained their culture into modern times, some seem to have lost their way, which can lead to problems, anyway, enough of the politics - I've got to feed my lurcher puppies !
