Is she old ? Flower says she's disabled but i don't see it mentioned that she's old ?
I could have missed it in further posts though.
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I cant believe the argument over a woman with 2 dogs when the most absurd benefit cut is for child benefit. 1 family has one bread winner over 50K, the BC is cut, another family has 2 earning 49K EACH and they don't...
Total inequality, we should be getting that sorted rather than worrying over a woman and her dogs!
Total inequality, we should be getting that sorted rather than worrying over a woman and her dogs!
Sex God
id give her the 14 quid a week myself to be honest just so the dogs stay in a loving home 
this tax in born out of the councils and governments own failings for not being able to provide more suitable social housing in the last 30 years
this tax in born out of the councils and governments own failings for not being able to provide more suitable social housing in the last 30 years
I love Maggie but think in the case of social housing she started the rot with her policy of the "Right to Buy" great idea wrongly implemented.
Letting people buy old housing stock and renovating them themselves - good idea
Allowing councils to do what they wanted with the cash they made - bad idea
Legislation should have said that the Council had to use a certain % of the income to beuld new properties that would have required less maintenance than the old stock.
Building a large housing project costs far less than can be made from the sale of 1 house, you could probably have built 4-5 houses for everyone sold and still had some money left for other local projects especially in the more expensive areas of the UK like London.
By now we would have a surplus of housing stock not a shortage.
Your right about the Governments mistakes though, access to our benefit system for those that abuse it has been too prevalent for too long, yet instead of hitting those that abuse it they are now hitting those that need it most.
There are lots of areas where the Government can save money from benefit payments without hitting those that need it.
Letting people buy old housing stock and renovating them themselves - good idea
Allowing councils to do what they wanted with the cash they made - bad idea
Legislation should have said that the Council had to use a certain % of the income to beuld new properties that would have required less maintenance than the old stock.
Building a large housing project costs far less than can be made from the sale of 1 house, you could probably have built 4-5 houses for everyone sold and still had some money left for other local projects especially in the more expensive areas of the UK like London.
By now we would have a surplus of housing stock not a shortage.
Your right about the Governments mistakes though, access to our benefit system for those that abuse it has been too prevalent for too long, yet instead of hitting those that abuse it they are now hitting those that need it most.
There are lots of areas where the Government can save money from benefit payments without hitting those that need it.
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id give her the 14 quid a week myself to be honest just so the dogs stay in a loving home
this tax in born out of the councils and governments own failings for not being able to provide more suitable social housing in the last 30 years
I agree Rob.
One thing puzzles me here though about this story. I cannot find any mention of this story anywhere on Google. Usually a news story such as this would be somewhere on the web, so I wonder if the op can give me some details about this case. If not the name of the radio station/ tv news proramme will do, and I can contact them to give me some further information on this.
Sex God
if her dogs are her only day 2 day company / security so be it
Sex God
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if her dogs are her only day 2 day company / security so be it
When did you turn into yoda ?
Sex God
Eat the dogs
Sex God
I reckon that in the not too distant future, long term social housing will be a thing of the past.
We may have to wait for the current generation who see social housing as a right to naturally expire whilst educating the next generation to be more self sufficient.
A society where 1 in 6 people are in long term social housing and 2,000,000 dont pay council tax is unsustainable.
I heard on Canadian TV last week that under the last labour government 92% of the working population of the UK were able to claim some form of social benefit (I am guessing that includes child benefit - though it was not made clear).
We may have to wait for the current generation who see social housing as a right to naturally expire whilst educating the next generation to be more self sufficient.
A society where 1 in 6 people are in long term social housing and 2,000,000 dont pay council tax is unsustainable.
I heard on Canadian TV last week that under the last labour government 92% of the working population of the UK were able to claim some form of social benefit (I am guessing that includes child benefit - though it was not made clear).
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I heard on Canadian TV last week that under the last labour government 92% of the working population of the UK were able to claim some form of social benefit (I am guessing that includes child benefit - though it was not made clear).
Then what a complete waste of a good post. Anyone at anytime could post figures and make them not clear.
Sex God
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I heard on Canadian TV last week that under the last labour government 92% of the working population of the UK were able to claim some form of social benefit (I am guessing that includes child benefit - though it was not made clear).
Then what a complete waste of a good post. Anyone at anytime could post figures and make them not clear.
Is there something wrong with you?
I can't believe that 92% of the working population claim some sort of benefit, but possibly if that included child benefit - then maybe.
Either way - if 92% of working people are being paid a top up benefit on top of what they earn - the system is very clearly badly in need of overhaul.
Why are you being so nasty and aggressive anyway?
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Either way - if 92% of working people are being paid a top up benefit on top of what they earn - the system is very clearly badly in need of overhaul.
I quite agree. Maybe the first thing we should do is increase the minimum wage so that working people don't need benefit top-ups.
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Is there something wrong with you?
Well apart from a little swollen gland on my neck, I feel perfectly ok TH. I am touched you asked actually.
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I can't believe that 92% of the working population claim some sort of benefit, but possibly if that included child benefit - then maybe.
What a strange analogy to make when you make a comment but do not know the whole figures. I would hazard at a guess that does include child benefit, but if they don't know and you don't know, how the fuck am I supposed to know.
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Either way - if 92% of working people are being paid a top up benefit on top of what they earn - the system is very clearly badly in need of overhaul.
I think you may well be referring to working tax credits or children's tax credits? You are aware of what they are TH? As I seem to remember someone on here did not know their Wife was getting child allowance. Not saying it was you as I genuinely cannot remember.
I think 92% is a very high number and I would like to see where it sates this and how it has been put together.
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Why are you being so nasty and aggressive anyway?
Am I? Maybe it is because you think every person on the dole is a scrounger and am sure you have said that many times. You certainly have made your feelings very clear on here with regards to the poorest in our society.
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I quite agree. Maybe the first thing we should do is increase the minimum wage so that working people don't need benefit top-ups.
A jolly good idea northwest. We could have done that northwest but any money that was available has been spent on dropping the higher rate of tax. It seems if you earn a million pounds a year, you are now going to be 42 thousand pounds a year better off.
No such luck for the poor buggers on an hour eh?
Its not the benefit that is the problem, its the taxation system.
All taxes and duty on all products should be got rid of. The Government should not earn from a product, they should only be able to earn from an individual or a company. This would push our prices down and make us more competitive on the open market.
All taxes and duty on all products should be got rid of. The Government should not earn from a product, they should only be able to earn from an individual or a company. This would push our prices down and make us more competitive on the open market.
Sex God
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Why are you being so nasty and aggressive anyway?
Am I? Maybe it is because you think every person on the dole is a scrounger and am sure you have said that many times. You certainly have made your feelings very clear on here with regards to the poorest in our society.
Rubbish
What I have said is that those in genuine need should get more and those who are strong, fit, healthy and of a working age get reduced benefits.
The sooner that people realise that this, or any government, does not owe them anything other than a bit of support in a crisis - the sooner we will get out of this mess. Lifetime reliance on State handouts for all will be ending soon - there is no alternative.
Everyone knows their rights at the moment - but what about their obligations?
JFK was right all along - it is what you should be doing for the country not asking what the country can do for you.
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Why are you being so nasty and aggressive anyway?
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Am I? Maybe it is because you think every person on the dole is a scrounger and am sure you have said that many times. You certainly have made your feelings very clear on here with regards to the poorest in our society.
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Rubbish
What I have said is that those in genuine need should get more and those who are strong, fit, healthy and of a working age get reduced benefits.
Who decides that then TH? Who decides if a person is mentally unfit to work? We have had cases recently of a soldier who had both legs blown off and lost the sight in his left eye, and was yet deemed fit to work under this Government's latest assessment. Do we trust Doctors employed by the DHSS to make the right judgements?
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The sooner that people realise that this, or any government, does not owe them anything other than a bit of support in a crisis - the sooner we will get out of this mess. Lifetime reliance on State handouts for all will be ending soon - there is no alternative.
So what is your take on the disabled or the mentally unfit TH? You seem to want to pigeon hole people and life just ain't as simple as that. A very small amount of people are on the take, and yet people like you think that anyone who excepts benefits will have to jump through hoops backwards to be entitled to any money.
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Everyone knows their rights at the moment - but what about their obligations?
What their human rights or just their rights TH?
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JFK was right all along - it is what you should be doing for the country not asking what the country can do for you.
What a narcissistic view on things.
Actually this is a thread about two dogs.......maybe we should be in another thread?
Sex God
Do you just like arguing for the sake of it Star.
You whine, moan, complain and lay the blame constantly - but what exactly are you proposing to do about the problem? You are the perfect opposition politician - lashing out aggressively about why everything is so wrong but no conviction to have an opinion on what will work and stand by it.
To say that you are confused is an understatement. Your beloved UKIP have stated very publically that the cuts have to be much more savage than the tinkering being employed at the moment. Are they wrong about this and only right about immigration?
Should we be paying a higher minimum wage so that the costs of all our preoducts and services increase when we are already competing with countries that have a much lower cost base? How will that work unless the work force becomes better skilled and more productive? We are never going back to mass employment by huge conglomerates - large scale, low tech industry is never coming back to the UK because it is not cost effective anymore.
So what is your solution Star? You need to untangle your mixed up socialist, right wing ethos and come up with something coherant and logical.
And by the way - JFK's speech was not narcissistic it is the people who want the State to pay more attention to them who are the narcissists. JFK appealed to the proud and the hard working.
You whine, moan, complain and lay the blame constantly - but what exactly are you proposing to do about the problem? You are the perfect opposition politician - lashing out aggressively about why everything is so wrong but no conviction to have an opinion on what will work and stand by it.
To say that you are confused is an understatement. Your beloved UKIP have stated very publically that the cuts have to be much more savage than the tinkering being employed at the moment. Are they wrong about this and only right about immigration?
Should we be paying a higher minimum wage so that the costs of all our preoducts and services increase when we are already competing with countries that have a much lower cost base? How will that work unless the work force becomes better skilled and more productive? We are never going back to mass employment by huge conglomerates - large scale, low tech industry is never coming back to the UK because it is not cost effective anymore.
So what is your solution Star? You need to untangle your mixed up socialist, right wing ethos and come up with something coherant and logical.
And by the way - JFK's speech was not narcissistic it is the people who want the State to pay more attention to them who are the narcissists. JFK appealed to the proud and the hard working.
The answer Th? If I had the answers I would be a multi millionaire. No simple solutions as lets be fair here all MP's tend not to agree on anything. We have the Tory's opting for one thing and Labour opting for the opposite.
In our current situation letting another half a million migrants into the country is not the answer, or as an employer do you strive to attain even cheaper labour? An elected Government helped to get the UK into the mess it finds itself in, and the last Government failed to spot the banking crisis. Hows that for confidence in people in high office?
We have failed bankers and failed heads of the NHS much cleverer than me and you, and they cannot do their jobs properly and blame everyone else except themselves. The answers are so complex that you would need the worlds best magician to sort things out and that is not going to happen. Austerity is not going to work either as we have had the austerity now for almost three years and growth keeps on heading forever skywards.
This budget like all Osborne's budgets have an element of hit and miss with them. What Government introduces a " pasty " tax FGS? They retracted it but the mere thought of them entering into a discussion about it is frightening. No answers from me TH and whilst you spout a lot of answers, it is your theories and not that of a Government. If the Tory's change things no doubt the next Labour Government will change them back again, and around the merry go round we go again.
Answers? Nobody has the answers but mass immigration ain't the answer to our problems, getting the current unemployed back into work would be a start but not enough jobs.
In our current situation letting another half a million migrants into the country is not the answer, or as an employer do you strive to attain even cheaper labour? An elected Government helped to get the UK into the mess it finds itself in, and the last Government failed to spot the banking crisis. Hows that for confidence in people in high office?
We have failed bankers and failed heads of the NHS much cleverer than me and you, and they cannot do their jobs properly and blame everyone else except themselves. The answers are so complex that you would need the worlds best magician to sort things out and that is not going to happen. Austerity is not going to work either as we have had the austerity now for almost three years and growth keeps on heading forever skywards.
This budget like all Osborne's budgets have an element of hit and miss with them. What Government introduces a " pasty " tax FGS? They retracted it but the mere thought of them entering into a discussion about it is frightening. No answers from me TH and whilst you spout a lot of answers, it is your theories and not that of a Government. If the Tory's change things no doubt the next Labour Government will change them back again, and around the merry go round we go again.
Answers? Nobody has the answers but mass immigration ain't the answer to our problems, getting the current unemployed back into work would be a start but not enough jobs.
Sex God
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The answer Th? If I had the answers I would be a multi millionaire. No simple solutions as lets be fair here all MP's tend not to agree on anything. We have the Tory's opting for one thing and Labour opting for the opposite.
That is because we misguidedly think that politicians will do something "for us." They wont, they follow a party political doctrine which is not at all "personal." Hence the besrt position is to regard any government as being an entity that simply provides the framework to let you live your life.
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In our current situation letting another half a million migrants into the country is not the answer, or as an employer do you strive to attain even cheaper labour? An elected Government helped to get the UK into the mess it finds itself in, and the last Government failed to spot the banking crisis. Hows that for confidence in people in high office?
You are completely mesmerised by the immigration issue - it is not relevant. The recent migrants have all but absorbed into the work place already. The issues are almost 100% homevgrown and cultivated. As an aside, the IT guy I use is a recent migrant but he is sharper, more reliable and can send accurate and simple emails to me explaining solutions to problems. I use him because he is good, very good and he doesn't have a £50 minimum call out - he always comes whatever the problem.
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We have failed bankers and failed heads of the NHS much cleverer than me and you, and they cannot do their jobs properly and blame everyone else except themselves. The answers are so complex that you would need the worlds best magician to sort things out and that is not going to happen.
No you don't - you just need to spend less than you earn, basic housekeeping
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Austerity is not going to work either as we have had the austerity now for almost three years and growth keeps on heading forever skywards.
???? If only.....
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This budget like all Osborne's budgets have an element of hit and miss with them. What Government introduces a " pasty " tax FGS? They retracted it but the mere thought of them entering into a discussion about it is frightening. No answers from me TH and whilst you spout a lot of answers, it is your theories and not that of a Government. If the Tory's change things no doubt the next Labour Government will change them back again, and around the merry go round we go again.
I can't actually remember what the pasty tax was all about to be honest. Was it a tax on take away food? Sounds like a good idea to me. You are right that we take two steps forward and one step backwards but the alternatives at the next election will be stark.
You will have four real options:
1) Extreme left - Socialist Workers. Taking over the lost voices of traditional labour supporters.
2) Left of centre - Labour. Promising more spending in the hope that something might change. If we are already spending 20% more than we earn what hope is there in that policy?
3) Right of centre - Conservative. Currently held back by the Liberals but with probably more of an appetite to cut costs and cut taxes and set the people free to live.
4) Extreme right - UKIP. Flavour of the month by championing the immigration cause which actually masks their underlying policies and trends of being disaffected Tories.
Quite where the Liberals will stand - I don't know
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Answers? Nobody has the answers but mass immigration ain't the answer to our problems, getting the current unemployed back into work would be a start but not enough jobs.
Again you misguidedly allow immigration to distract you from the real issues. Also you must remember that unlike some people on here who wait around foir someone else to do something - in any group of people, particularly migrants, there will be future business owners and wealth creators who will make the jobs that ordinary workers hang around waiting for someone else to create. Not everyone despairs and waits for a government to fix their problems - they do it for themselves. It needs a government to simply reduce and review the whole taxation issue and make it worthwhile for innovators to invest and create jobs. The coalition are trying to do that.
Near to us, a little Polish shop opened about five years ago, a year later they leased the shop next door and in November they leased another so it is now a three fronted shop selling all kinds of stuff. The guy and his wife who opened the shop now have at least three other people working there. My wife told me that they are planning to open a restaurant in town which will bring more employment. This may not be your idea of "good jobs" and I understand that, but the tax revenue from employee earnings, NI and sales is quite considerable - and growing. This helps UK PLC far more than complaining does. THe world changes and economies on a global and local scale are always going to change - we just have to adapt to changes and look after ourselves.
We TH are at the opposite ends of the political spectrum, with a tad of common ground.
Some of what you say makes perfect sense, but those things won't work in the current climate. I am not saying the problems are down to immigrants as of course there have been some fantastic additions to the UK, but allowing a never ending stream when the UK is skint does not help. Not all the migrants who enter the UK are 25 year old skilled men, and you know that as well.
Many come here for the houses and the car and the benefits and free use of the NHS and to suggest that does not happen is ludicrous and you know it. We cannot be skint either as the Euro budget is vast and we put in billions more than we get out of it, and foreign aid of what was it this year, oh yes 7.5 billion pounds to countries like China and Pakistan and India. When you have that kind of money to simply give away then as a society you have to look at things in a different light. Pensioners are suffering and the poorest are suffering and the disabled are suffering and yet this and other Governments are giving away 7.5 billion pounds whilst our own people suffer. There is something distinctly distasteful about that.
Some of what you say makes perfect sense, but those things won't work in the current climate. I am not saying the problems are down to immigrants as of course there have been some fantastic additions to the UK, but allowing a never ending stream when the UK is skint does not help. Not all the migrants who enter the UK are 25 year old skilled men, and you know that as well.
Many come here for the houses and the car and the benefits and free use of the NHS and to suggest that does not happen is ludicrous and you know it. We cannot be skint either as the Euro budget is vast and we put in billions more than we get out of it, and foreign aid of what was it this year, oh yes 7.5 billion pounds to countries like China and Pakistan and India. When you have that kind of money to simply give away then as a society you have to look at things in a different light. Pensioners are suffering and the poorest are suffering and the disabled are suffering and yet this and other Governments are giving away 7.5 billion pounds whilst our own people suffer. There is something distinctly distasteful about that.
Sex God
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We TH are at the opposite ends of the political spectrum, with a tad of common ground.
Some of what you say makes perfect sense, but those things won't work in the current climate. I am not saying the problems are down to immigrants as of course there have been some fantastic additions to the UK, but allowing a never ending stream when the UK is skint does not help. Not all the migrants who enter the UK are 25 year old skilled men, and you know that as well.
Many come here for the houses and the car and the benefits and free use of the NHS and to suggest that does not happen is ludicrous and you know it. We cannot be skint either as the Euro budget is vast and we put in billions more than we get out of it, and foreign aid of what was it this year, oh yes 7.5 billion pounds to countries like China and Pakistan and India. When you have that kind of money to simply give away then as a society you have to look at things in a different light. Pensioners are suffering and the poorest are suffering and the disabled are suffering and yet this and other Governments are giving away 7.5 billion pounds whilst our own people suffer. There is something distinctly distasteful about that.
You really ought to try NLP. It will cure your inner mind chatter and train your brain to think positively instead of the immediate negative thoughts that appear to always lead your train of thought and hence your posts.
Just how often in these posts do you say - it won't work, it's the wrong time, there is no point etc etc. These are powerful negative reactions that are triggered when you perceive your thoughts to be outside your comfort zone. You should look into it - there are free courses all over the UK these days and it will change your life.
