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problem is no matter who you vote for....The Government always gets in !!!!
This had me chuckling... :laughabove:
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Beloved socialist party? What socialist party was that Star? You mean Labour? Hahahahaha! No!
I think what I was driving at is that finally even Tory voters are waking up to the fact that the Govt they thought would serve their best interests do not act for them, and don't give a shit about little people like us. Pretty obvious now who they're in bed with, but we've always known that to be the case on the left. At long last even the right are getting that now that they're feeling a bit more working poor themselves.
We've had 30 odd years of neo-liberalism from Tories and Labour alike. cos that's what people said they wanted, or were 'brainwashed' into believing that's what they wanted. Turned out well for us all that one, eh? ;)
you dont know how fucking funny that is after blair duped the labour and tory voters whole three times
:rotflmao::rotflmao:what your stating is like saying the sun is in the sky!! everyone knows it is
but really neil its just a game of stuffing cash in your pockets the longer you stay in the bigger your pockets need to be the colour of the tie is irelivent
Sexpert
I used to think Socialism was a good idea. Then in 1997 it all changed.
Turning points for me were -
'Education education education' - then implement student tuition fees.
Afghanistan - what ever the justification Afghanistan doesn't appear to have a solution.
Iraq - the UK invaded on the grounds that they had 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' that could hit the 'UK' (Cyprus) in 45 minutes. Did the politicians really believe this 'intelligence'? Even at the time, after a spate of newspaper stories, I remember saying that this wasn't very likely (the discussion was with a work colleague who thought there was a danger of Sadam hitting Hendon).
End of Boom and Bust - need I say more.
Banking regulations - even in 1997 it was apparent these were required and it was one of the reasons I voted for a change.
..... I'm going to stop now. Most of the thread says it anyway, they're all the same.
Turning points for me were -
'Education education education' - then implement student tuition fees.
Afghanistan - what ever the justification Afghanistan doesn't appear to have a solution.
Iraq - the UK invaded on the grounds that they had 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' that could hit the 'UK' (Cyprus) in 45 minutes. Did the politicians really believe this 'intelligence'? Even at the time, after a spate of newspaper stories, I remember saying that this wasn't very likely (the discussion was with a work colleague who thought there was a danger of Sadam hitting Hendon).
End of Boom and Bust - need I say more.
Banking regulations - even in 1997 it was apparent these were required and it was one of the reasons I voted for a change.
..... I'm going to stop now. Most of the thread says it anyway, they're all the same.
Sex God
Will someone please tell me about this socialist party .... the last one I remember was led by Michael Foot and died in the 80's
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Will someone please tell me about this socialist party .... the last one I remember was led by Michael Foot and died in the 80's
i would agree Blair was more Tory than the Tories but that's how desperate he was to get into office
the consequences of that is the state of affairs we have now
Quote by starlightcouple
Joking how? That people have finally clued into the fact that their priveleges ain't so valuable all of a sudden now they're the one's being kicked, as opposed to being the ones doing the kicking? Not sure I fully understand your lack of understanding Star. Please expand.
Quote by Rob
finally getting what
i think its more about moving on and accepting that's the way things are.
most have the very same opportunity in life to get off their arse and make a difference to their own lives
no real need to expand on what rob has wrote to be honest neil, but just as a little aside,,,,
i read the DM and how am i "getting it " exactly? :doh:
the trouble is neil you and others like you have been brainwashed into believing that it is the rights fault for everything that is wrong in life. it was your beloved socialist party that has run this country into the ground, and whilst the middle classes are now " finally getting it" as you put it, it will be the poorest that will be " getting it " even more now than they were.
you carry on believing those strange beliefs that you have neil, as long as you believe them, then all is good in the world. now excuse me as i am off to get my dose of DM.
there has never been a socialist government in britain nor could there have been. to have been so at anytime, the capitalist state would have to have been overthrown and dismantled. the ruling class/elite would not hand over power peacefully by a democratic election. if that was possible it would be illegal. everyone is brainwashed to a degree, some more than others. the previous government of bliar, brown and others introduced the conservative policy of p.f.i. that is strangling our public services, privatised air traffic control and the british airports authority, introduced privatisation of schools (academy's) and some roads and bridges. brown began the "independance" of the m.p.c. of the quasi private bank of england with soley private bankers to set monetary policy.
the previous govt bankrolled the private losses of of the private shareholders of northern rock and others with the commitment of present and future tax revenue.
the previous govt was bank and shareholder friendly at the expense of the taxpayer/citizenry of the u.k.
"new labour" owed its election victories to the city of london for campaign funds and murdoch's sun for propaganda. strange bedfellows.
this crisis is not the fault of the money changers puppets who seek to enrich themselves at your expense serving their masters, but of the men and families "behind the curtain" al la "yellow brick road".
it is not caused by immigration, johnny foreigner, greeks, spanish, italians, irish, portugese, lazy phuckers, lefties, righties, doleites or people on welfare. it was not caused by blackies, whities, brownies, afghanistanbananistan, pakistan, iraq, libya, or syria.
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong and post a load of conspiracy crap i get from "trolling" conspiracy websites as i am labelled with. lets hope that the latest 50 billion of credit created by the central bank (b.o.e.) now 375+ billion goes into general circulation instead of onto insolvent bank balance sheets (charged to the taxpayer at interest) to speculate with no risk on the stockmarket keeping commodities, energy and metals artificially high while demand/consumption is falling.
lets hope that by cuts and austerity, increased taxation, that somewhere down the road it will all work out and things will get better. that the phuckers who got us into this mess have a plan to get us out of it.
lets hope that the phuckers who keep lying to us are now telling us the truth ? regards. not aimed at anyone.
Sexpert
Karl Marx said there wouldn't ever be a Socialist Government in Britain due in part to the 'class' system. Oh well looks like he was right anyway.
One of things I noticed of the last Labour government was that it seemed a lot more right wing than either the preceding or current government, but perhaps with a lot less thought for the long term. It would be nice to think there is a plan I'm not sure that this exists as such.
On the positive side this country has been thru' economic troubles before, and recovered. This seems to happen regardless of the politics, and indeed endemic corruption, of the government with a bit of luck it might just happen again
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One of things I noticed of the last Labour government was that it seemed a lot more right wing than either the preceding or current government, but perhaps with a lot less thought for the long term. It would be nice to think there is a plan I'm not sure that this exists as such.
On the positive side this country has been thru' economic troubles before, and recovered. This seems to happen regardless of the politics, and indeed endemic corruption, of the government with a bit of luck it might just happen again
. Sex God
Quote by gulsonroad30664
snips"
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong .
the only reason there has been no charges or arrests is because a complaint to the police has not yet been made
should you phone the city of London police and report a fraud they then have to investigate it........ simples !!
other than that the police are free to turn a blind eye as such
Quote by Lizaleanrob
snips"
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong .
the only reason there has been no charges or arrests is because a complaint to the police has not yet been made
should you phone the city of London police and report a fraud they then have to investigate it........ simples !!
other than that the police are free to turn a blind eye as such
But I thought the SFO have been asked to investigate...
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Will someone please tell me about this socialist party .... the last one I remember was led by Michael Foot and died in the 80's
My better half has more than a passing knowledge of true socialism being a product of the former USSR.
The Socialist fantasies spoken about by the likes of the SWP are more like fairy tales than true facts. However bad modern Russia might be now, no one with an ounce of intelligence would go back to a time when everyone was equal, apart from those who were more equal than others.
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
Will someone please tell me about this socialist party .... the last one I remember was led by Michael Foot and died in the 80's
My better half has more than a passing knowledge of true socialism being a product of the former USSR.
With all due respect to her Too Hot, no she doesn't. What she has experience of is Stalinism. That is not the same thing as Socialism at all. It would be more correct to refer to the economic / political / social system under which she lived as State Capitalist, as demonstrated by the ease with which a free-market system was re-introduced after the collapses of '89-91 when what was essentially an internal market under State control was opened back up to outside economic influences.
If the Soviet Union had been a truly Socialist society the re-introduction of a Capitalist economic system would have required a revolutionary re-organisation of the entire political and economic system. As it was the state machinery including in large part the personnel running it were hardly touched because the system was already ordered top-down by a ruling elite, just like in Capitalist socieities. That's the polar opposite of the way in which a 'true' Socialist state works, ordered from the bottom-up.
Sexpert
Quote by neilinleeds
Will someone please tell me about this socialist party .... the last one I remember was led by Michael Foot and died in the 80's
My better half has more than a passing knowledge of true socialism being a product of the former USSR.
With all due .... which a 'true' Socialist state works, ordered from the bottom-up.
Accepting that the USSR aren't a Socialist state, are there any good examples, at all, ever, of a 'true' Socialist state?
Perhaps Too Hot has got something here, like the USSR, they all start out as a wonderful dream, then all too quickly end up in the classic Orwellian nightmare.
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
Will someone please tell me about this socialist party .... the last one I remember was led by Michael Foot and died in the 80's
My better half has more than a passing knowledge of true socialism being a product of the former USSR.
With all due respect to her Too Hot, no she doesn't. What she has experience of is Stalinism. That is not the same thing as Socialism at all. It would be more correct to refer to the economic / political / social system under which she lived as State Capitalist, as demonstrated by the ease with which a free-market system was re-introduced after the collapses of '89-91 when what was essentially an internal market under State control was opened back up to outside economic influences.
If the Soviet Union had been a truly Socialist society the re-introduction of a Capitalist economic system would have required a revolutionary re-organisation of the entire political and economic system. As it was the state machinery including in large part the personnel running it were hardly touched because the system was already ordered top-down by a ruling elite, just like in Capitalist socieities. That's the polar opposite of the way in which a 'true' Socialist state works, ordered from the bottom-up.
So was it the Union of Soviet Stalinist Republics or the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? The reason that change came so easily was evolution and the existance of inherent corruption.
The "model" of Soviet Socialism is almost exactly what is being peddled by the SWP and it has not worked, ever, anywhere in the world. All at does is reduce the 5% of haves to about 0.5% of haves and leave 99.5% reliant on a black economy to survive.
Sex God
Quote by GnV
snips"
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong .
the only reason there has been no charges or arrests is because a complaint to the police has not yet been made
should you phone the city of London police and report a fraud they then have to investigate it........ simples !!
other than that the police are free to turn a blind eye as such
But I thought the SFO have been asked to investigate...
i think it was more of a
"could you just stick ya nose in show ya face but whatever you do dont dig any shit up "
than
"a crime has been commited i want the bastards nailed " :dunno:
Sex God
Quote by Robert400andKay
Will someone please tell me about this socialist party .... the last one I remember was led by Michael Foot and died in the 80's
My better half has more than a passing knowledge of true socialism being a product of the former USSR.
With all due .... which a 'true' Socialist state works, ordered from the bottom-up.
Accepting that the USSR aren't a Socialist state, are there any good examples, at all, ever, of a 'true' Socialist state?
Perhaps Too Hot has got something here, like the USSR, they all start out as a wonderful dream, then all too quickly end up in the classic Orwellian nightmare.
Indeed - Socialism is an unattainable theory that hjas been corrupted everywhere.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
snips"
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong .
the only reason there has been no charges or arrests is because a complaint to the police has not yet been made
should you phone the city of London police and report a fraud they then have to investigate it........ simples !!
other than that the police are free to turn a blind eye as such
But I thought the SFO have been asked to investigate...
i think it was more of a
"could you just stick ya nose in show ya face but whatever you do dont dig any shit up "
than
"a crime has been commited i want the bastards nailed " :dunno:
Actually Rob, you are probably right. The SFO's record of success isn't exactly exemplary.
Sex God
Quote by GnV
snips"
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong .
the only reason there has been no charges or arrests is because a complaint to the police has not yet been made
should you phone the city of London police and report a fraud they then have to investigate it........ simples !!
other than that the police are free to turn a blind eye as such
But I thought the SFO have been asked to investigate...
i think it was more of a
"could you just stick ya nose in show ya face but whatever you do dont dig any shit up "
than
"a crime has been commited i want the bastards nailed " :dunno:
Actually Rob, you are probably right. The SFO's record of success isn't exactly exemplary.
have they had any success then G :dunno:
on a lighter note on my way over to france today so get v to put the kettle on :wink:
Quote by Lizaleanrob
snips"
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong .
the only reason there has been no charges or arrests is because a complaint to the police has not yet been made
should you phone the city of London police and report a fraud they then have to investigate it........ simples !!
other than that the police are free to turn a blind eye as such
But I thought the SFO have been asked to investigate...
i think it was more of a
"could you just stick ya nose in show ya face but whatever you do dont dig any shit up "
than
"a crime has been commited i want the bastards nailed " :dunno:
Actually Rob, you are probably right. The SFO's record of success isn't exactly exemplary.
have they had any success then G :dunno:
on a lighter note on my way over to france today so get v to put the kettle on :wink:
Aperos are de rigueur in the land of the frog Rob. Charentais style. Pineau ou Ricard?
Sex God
Quote by GnV
snips"
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong .
the only reason there has been no charges or arrests is because a complaint to the police has not yet been made
should you phone the city of London police and report a fraud they then have to investigate it........ simples !!
other than that the police are free to turn a blind eye as such
But I thought the SFO have been asked to investigate...
i think it was more of a
"could you just stick ya nose in show ya face but whatever you do dont dig any shit up "
than
"a crime has been commited i want the bastards nailed " :dunno:
Actually Rob, you are probably right. The SFO's record of success isn't exactly exemplary.
have they had any success then G :dunno:
on a lighter note on my way over to france today so get v to put the kettle on :wink:
Aperos are de rigueur in the land of the frog Rob. Charentais style. Pineau ou Ricard?
Rob,
bring souwester as raining in the Charente today :sad:
ricard + eau pls G
:wink:
Sex God
Arc....................... very topical G given that it's Bastille day on Saturday
Know what you mean about sticking glass out of the window, having splashed way back from Soyaux mid-afternoon
Know what you mean about sticking glass out of the window, having splashed way back from Soyaux mid-afternoon
Warming the Bed
Quote by neilinleeds
Will someone please tell me about this socialist party .... the last one I remember was led by Michael Foot and died in the 80's
My better half has more than a passing knowledge of true socialism being a product of the former USSR.
With all due respect to her Too Hot, no she doesn't. What she has experience of is Stalinism. That is not the same thing as Socialism at all. It would be more correct to refer to the economic / political / social system under which she lived as State Capitalist, as demonstrated by the ease with which a free-market system was re-introduced after the collapses of '89-91 when what was essentially an internal market under State control was opened back up to outside economic influences.
If the Soviet Union had been a truly Socialist society the re-introduction of a Capitalist economic system would have required a revolutionary re-organisation of the entire political and economic system. As it was the state machinery including in large part the personnel running it were hardly touched because the system was already ordered top-down by a ruling elite, just like in Capitalist socieities. That's the polar opposite of the way in which a 'true' Socialist state works, ordered from the bottom-up.
ROFL
I see you are one of those who thinks that all socialist nations failed only because they were just not socialist enough. :doh:
I am heavily involved in UK politics (hence no picture on my profile) and can say without doubt that there is no real difference between the main parties because all the rules, regulations and directives come from Brussels. That is why I work for another party (NOT the BNP) wanting to regain our independence.
Quote by GregSH
I am heavily involved in UK politics (hence no picture on my profile) and can say without doubt that there is no real difference between the main parties because all the rules, regulations and directives come from Brussels. That is why I work for another party (NOT the BNP) wanting to regain our independence.
Bill Cash?
Sex God
Quote by GregSH
I am heavily involved in UK politics (hence no picture on my profile) and can say without doubt that there is no real difference between the main parties because all the rules, regulations and directives come from Brussels. That is why I work for another party (NOT the BNP) wanting to regain our independence.
robert kilroy silk prehaps
:lol: :lol: :lol: Quote by GnV
snips"
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong .
the only reason there has been no charges or arrests is because a complaint to the police has not yet been made
should you phone the city of London police and report a fraud they then have to investigate it........ simples !!
other than that the police are free to turn a blind eye as such
But I thought the SFO have been asked to investigate...
i think it was more of a
"could you just stick ya nose in show ya face but whatever you do dont dig any shit up "
than
"a crime has been commited i want the bastards nailed " :dunno:
Actually Rob, you are probably right. The SFO's record of success isn't exactly exemplary.
have they had any success then G :dunno:
on a lighter note on my way over to france today so get v to put the kettle on :wink:
Aperos are de rigueur in the land of the frog Rob. Charentais style. Pineau ou Ricard?should that be pernod or ricard....je ponce
Sex God
Quote by bayboy1664
Will someone please tell me about this socialist party .... the last one I remember was led by Michael Foot and died in the 80's
My better half has more than a passing knowledge of true socialism being a product of the former USSR.
With all due respect to her Too Hot, no she doesn't. What she has experience of is Stalinism. That is not the same thing as Socialism at all. It would be more correct to refer to the economic / political / social system under which she lived as State Capitalist, as demonstrated by the ease with which a free-market system was re-introduced after the collapses of '89-91 when what was essentially an internal market under State control was opened back up to outside economic influences.
If the Soviet Union had been a truly Socialist society the re-introduction of a Capitalist economic system would have required a revolutionary re-organisation of the entire political and economic system. As it was the state machinery including in large part the personnel running it were hardly touched because the system was already ordered top-down by a ruling elite, just like in Capitalist socieities. That's the polar opposite of the way in which a 'true' Socialist state works, ordered from the bottom-up.
ROFL
I see you are one of those who thinks that all socialist nations failed only because they were just not socialist enough. :doh:
ROFLMAO ... and you it would appear are one of those who labour under the illusion that they were socialist in the first place :doh: x2
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
Will someone please tell me about this socialist party .... the last one I remember was led by Michael Foot and died in the 80's
My better half has more than a passing knowledge of true socialism being a product of the former USSR.
With all due respect to her Too Hot, no she doesn't. What she has experience of is Stalinism. That is not the same thing as Socialism at all. It would be more correct to refer to the economic / political / social system under which she lived as State Capitalist, as demonstrated by the ease with which a free-market system was re-introduced after the collapses of '89-91 when what was essentially an internal market under State control was opened back up to outside economic influences.
If the Soviet Union had been a truly Socialist society the re-introduction of a Capitalist economic system would have required a revolutionary re-organisation of the entire political and economic system. As it was the state machinery including in large part the personnel running it were hardly touched because the system was already ordered top-down by a ruling elite, just like in Capitalist socieities. That's the polar opposite of the way in which a 'true' Socialist state works, ordered from the bottom-up.
So was it the Union of Soviet Stalinist Republics or the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? The reason that change came so easily was evolution and the existance of inherent corruption.
The "model" of Soviet Socialism is almost exactly what is being peddled by the SWP and it has not worked, ever, anywhere in the world. All at does is reduce the 5% of haves to about 0.5% of haves and leave 99.5% reliant on a black economy to survive.
The reason the revolution failed in Russia and it's satellite states was (and this is true of many revolutionary states) that having overthrown the existing regime the people sat back on their laurels and forgot the duty of all populations,they didn't police their government.
The closest thing we have in the world today to a 'socialist' state is Cuba ... flawed in some ways but given it's constant battle against U.S. intervention doing quite well really
I am curious as to how some members of this forum define socialism ... it would appear some at least are confused
Sex God
Quote by gulsonroad30664
there has never been a socialist government in britain nor could there have been.
