ukip on the rise

30 Apr 2013

Quote by neilinleeds
I cannot understand for the life of me how anyone could seriously think of voting for those clowns. Apart from their anti-immigrant, anti-EU stance does anyone even know what they stand for? Really? I don't see how they can, even UKIP don't bloody know. Emails between Farage, Godfrey Bloom et al talk about buying policy off the shelf from right-wing think tanks to flesh out their manifesto and save them the trouble of having to work out what they think between them themselves. The flat tax rate they've been banging on about so much seems now in doubt, with Farage apparently distancing himself from it as policy on last week's Question Time, and talking now about a two-tier flat tax in recent days. WTF is a two-tier flat tax? It's an oxymoron, that's what it is. These guys are making it up on the bag of a bloody fag-packet as they go, what few policies they have put forward do not a program of government make.
'Ah but Neil, we're not expecting them to form a government. It's a protest vote against the three main parties', I hear you cry. Well fair enough, but what message does that send to government? That a large chunk of the electorate want an even sharper turn to the right than we've had under this government already? Seriously? After seeing the impact of this government's austerity measures on public services, not to mention on their own pockets and those of the working poor that's what people want? They are even further to the right than the bloody Tories, you only have to look at their proposals on employment legislation, etc to know that. Members of the disaffected Tory right, and those still further to the right of them, fair enough, that I can understand, but how anyone who previously voted Labour, presumably cos they believed in social justice could even think of voting for them is beyond me. Madness. Absolute madness.

That is all irrelevant Neil. When you have no idea about the problem and clueless about solving it - just blame the foreigners and watch everyone jump up and down banging the drum. All of our problems are the fault of foreigners did you not know that?
You are absolutely correct to look beneath the headline and you have done so because you are intelligent and you care. Many don't and with an ever dumbed down society you can expect fewer and fewer people to care when it is so easy not to understand and just to blame.

30 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
That is all irrelevant Neil. When you have no idea about the problem and clueless about solving it - just blame the foreigners and watch everyone jump up and down banging the drum. All of our problems are the fault of foreigners did you not know that?
You are absolutely correct to look beneath the headline and you have done so because you are intelligent and you care. Many don't and with an ever dumbed down society you can expect fewer and fewer people to care when it is so easy not to understand and just to blame.

Scaremongering again TH. You always fail to mention getting out of Europe as well. Why do you do that TH?
This is UKIP's policies on immigration btw TH, so there can be no confusion.

30 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

As Farage clearly and simply puts it....Will the likes of BMW or Mercedes or in fact any other company in these tough times, want to stop trading with British companies? Why on earth would they want to? Money is money and business is business no matter what part of the world you come from.

Quote by Too Hot
It is a sad indictment of our society that people who do not know the difference between imports and exports are allowed to vote and thus shape the future UK economy. Britain is at least partially in the mess we are in because of a selfish ignorance in not knowing what happens when we buy the cheapest imported goods. The next step is of course dismissing what exports we do have because we don't think it matters.
I'm alright Jack - I live in Ingerland.

The reasons we are in the mess we are in is the last Governments massive overspending policies, and the banking collapse. It has nothing to do with exports or imports, it is simple maths TH. Have a pound and spend two pounds long enough you will go skint. Nothing difficult to understand there about simple economics.
I live in reality TH, certainly not in " Ingerland ".
As a little aside is there any proof that these austerity measures adopted by your party are actually working? Or do you like the Tory party think a 0.3% rise is something to cheer about? Oh and I fail to see you answer the point of the strong pound against the Euro. Care to explain the good that does to our balance of trade TH?
Have you heard of shooting yourself in the foot Star?
UKIP would cut deeper, further and faster than this Government. You have not yet experienced true austerity. Do you not even try to understand UKIP policies or is it onbly about sticking it to the foreigners?
Do you know anything at all about the balance of trade defecit? Do you understand why we have a defecit and why it is bad for us?
What do you want to know about the "strong" pound against the €Euro? I can tell you that in 2006/7 you could get 1.4 Euro to the pound and now you only get That does not suggest a strong pound to me. In 2006/7 you could get almost $2 to the pound - now it is 1.5 - a 25% loss in value of the pound against the $USD. So tell us about the strong £GBP?

30 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
But these are the two main concerns for the electorate Neil, and you wonder why UKIP are taking votes? When people were asked about their concerns these two examples came up time and time again, can you not see that?

The main concern of everyone is the economy - or at least it ought to be. If anyone is more concerned about the EU and/or immigration than they are about the economy then they are a bit deluded to say the least. Britains economic problems are the most important issues facing our generation and that of our children. Nothing is more important than that. The EU is a side issue.
Focusing attention on immigration and the EU is an attempt to divert blame onto people and issues that have nothing to do with our economic problems.
I have to hand it to UKIP though, they are doing what all extremists have done over the centuries - pick an emotive subject and you will be able to slip in all sorts of unsavoury politics whilst the massess are baying for blood. As as happened throughout history, the right wing supporters would attack any kind of reasoned and structured debate in order to further their cause. UKIP are relying on people to abandon their core beliefs in order to support a single Nationalistic belief and it appears to be working. I was talking to a guy in the Pub yesterday who was partying when Mrs Thatcher died and now intends to vote UKIP - go figure that one! He had not read any UKIP policies and he did not care about their policies; he just wanted to stop the foreigners coming in and stealing all the jobs and council houses.

30 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

That is all irrelevant Neil. When you have no idea about the problem and clueless about solving it - just blame the foreigners and watch everyone jump up and down banging the drum. All of our problems are the fault of foreigners did you not know that?
You are absolutely correct to look beneath the headline and you have done so because you are intelligent and you care. Many don't and with an ever dumbed down society you can expect fewer and fewer people to care when it is so easy not to understand and just to blame.

Scaremongering again TH. You always fail to mention getting out of Europe as well. Why do you do that TH?
This is UKIP's policies on immigration btw TH, so there can be no confusion.

So the EU are not foreigners?
The UKIP policy changes every few months Star, I will read it closer to the General election. From memory though - last time I read it there was no economic policy at all in their manifesto?? There were populist statements about protecting schools, hospitals and defence - guaranteed to get support - but not a single economic policy outlining how it was all going to be paid for.
Without even looking I can tell you that there is nothing tangible at all in there and the only hints we get is when UKIP politicians let slip that deeper and more severe cuts are needed.
I did like the bit about re-introducing Grammar Schools though - not sure if they are still supporting that particular plan?

30 Apr 2013

Th........going around in circles. I shall wait and see where we are after Thursday's local elections. It may be a surprise and the Tory party do famously well and UKIP will be squashed into oblivion by the electorate.
I am getting giddy going around in circles TH, and as my Father would say...." never argue over politics or religion ".
I am not going to say another word on this subject until Friday when we have a bit more of a clearer view as to what and how people have voted.
C ya Friday. wave

:wave:

30 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
I cannot understand for the life of me how anyone could seriously think of voting for those clowns. Apart from their anti-immigrant, anti-EU stance does anyone even know what they stand for? Really? I don't see how they can,

But these are the two main concerns for the electorate Neil, and you wonder why UKIP are taking votes? When people were asked about their concerns these two examples came up time and time again, can you not see that?
I can see you are a bit confused Neil so for your benefit and anyone else.

Seems there are a few others who actually think the opposite of you Neil it would seem.

Thanks for the UKIP link Star. I'd never have found their website without it, or the pages I linked to in my previous post! lol

What I find difficult to believe is that people could contemplate giving political power to a party on the twin issue of immigration and EU membership, without having a fucking scooby what else they stand for. We know what some of their candidates believe in reading recent reports, these are people who should be kept as far away from political office as bloody possible but no, they could advocate just about anything it seems and people will overlook it so long as they promise to keep out the Romanian hordes. It's not just short-sighted and stupid, it's positively bloody dangerous. Be careful what you wish for Star.

30 Apr 2013

Quote by neilinleeds
I cannot understand for the life of me how anyone could seriously think of voting for those clowns. Apart from their anti-immigrant, anti-EU stance does anyone even know what they stand for? Really? I don't see how they can,

But these are the two main concerns for the electorate Neil, and you wonder why UKIP are taking votes? When people were asked about their concerns these two examples came up time and time again, can you not see that?
I can see you are a bit confused Neil so for your benefit and anyone else.

Seems there are a few others who actually think the opposite of you Neil it would seem.

Thanks for the UKIP link Star. I'd never have found their website without it, or the pages I linked to in my previous post! lol

What I find difficult to believe is that people could contemplate giving political power to a party on the twin issue of immigration and EU membership, without having a fucking scooby what else they stand for. We know what some of their candidates believe in reading recent reports, these are people who should be kept as far away from political office as bloody possible but no, they could advocate just about anything it seems and people will overlook it so long as they promise to keep out the Romanian hordes. It's not just short-sighted and stupid, it's positively bloody dangerous. Be careful what you wish for Star.
Thankfully he has gone until Friday.
You are correct and I had this very argument yesterday in the pub. This guy in the pub was ardent anti Thatcher and was so happy when she died and now he is going to vote UKIP to stop the foreigners coming in. That is all he is interested in. I think there are a lot more like him unfortunately.
The great irony is that I am really an ideal candidate to be a UKIP supporter as I am a natural conservative with right wing leanings and a definite lack of social conscience. I am a product of the Thatcher era. I can't bring myself around to supporting UKIP ironically because of their two populist issues. Much of what UKIP believe in - Grammar Schools, anti Green issues, anti trade union etc etc I am wholly supportive of. Unfortunately the two that get most popular support - immigration and the EU - are deal breakers for me because they are simply ill thought out.
How ironic that a natural right winger like me struggles with UKIP yet middle of the road Tories and Labour supporters are jumping on the bandwagon.

30 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot

Not sure which big point I have ignored?
Without wishing to labour the point, but I take it you understand the difference between exports and imports? Of course any and every Company would want to export to and sell in the UK. It is large scale foreign imports that are at least partially responsible for our current problems actually, but that is another story. We need to freely export Star and with 40% of our exports going into a European Union that has bigger economic problems than us any protectionist move would be catastrophic. In Europe, our free trade exports are assured - out of Europe, nothing is assured.
Philosophically I have conservative views that is true. Those views have been with me all of my adult life and for you to swing from Labour to UKIP would be like me swinging ( oo er) from Conservative to SWP. Your core beliefs should not change but it appears you are willing to sacrifice all your core social beliefs for ill thought out, dangerous and ignorant policies being introduced by naive politicians or those so disaffected by middle of the road conservatism that they are looking for a more right wing home.

not wishing to point out the obvious
but if we import more free good from the EU that we export then would the tax on these items that we could then impose bring in much needed revenue. dunno

or are you suggesting that we still waiver import duty but pay it ourselves to other countries.
id waiver the Germans and their car market in the uk would be more desperate for free trade than we would wink

............just a thought
Protectionism was a feature of the last worldwide recession in the 1930's and the conditions today are very similar. On this very forum people have asked the question of how we can best support British industry and one suggestion was to reduce VAT on British made goods. Protectionism means that when all else fails you take measures that will disadvantage other countries in order to protect your own industry. Protectionism does not necessarily have to blanket - the EU have proposed it recently on candles and steel.
Of course any moves by the EU to protect its own industries would result in a tit for tat response but remember that tiny little Britain is much smaller than Europe and the net effect would be negative for us.
Britain being a part of Europe is attractive to foreign companies because they can invest in Europe without investing in the Euro and if our EU benefits are lost there is very little motivation to invest in the UK because trade benefits to the rest of Europe can no longer be assured. Being part of the EU affords a permanency of rights within the community, being out of it and your seat at the table will be gone and nothing is assured.
have you not thought that given the amount of European cars and the likes of edf or other european companies in the UK the EU would be very reluctant to remove the free trade even if we was to pull out of Europe
then you could have the possibility of a UK car industry revival, even our own steel and utility providers??
pulling out of Europe would only be a disaster if it was handled by one of the current candidates available
the EU have already lassoed our financial industry but if they get to tie to a horse we will be well and truly sunk, you and i know its whats keeping the UK afloat as much as its hated, we should be mind-full of that and there should be a back up plan.
my honest opinion is with proper investment in our industry's we could pull out of Europe and still benefit
the examples of candles and steel doesn't benefit the UK it only benefits Germany who are currently calling all the shots to save their own arses and industry's not ours
the idea that we are offered protection within the EU is fast becoming myth and a list of broken promises
if you step back and take a deeper look the big guns are ring-fencing their own interest's with little regard for the likes of us
as a foot note to think about. My niece is number two in a very big bank in the city, where its becoming widely believed by many at the top that the survival of the industry may well hinge on the UK either pulling out of Europe, or the UK convincing the EU to rewrite its treaties, Cameron knows this but i don't think he got the balls to do either!
I would agree however that ukip is certainly isn't the answer

30 Apr 2013

All you people are missing the point about this Thursdays vote !!
It does not matter that UKIP only have credible policies about Europe and immigration.
If they do well in local elections and come a credible second in South Shields, it will not change ANYTHING in this Country as regards immigration and Europe.
But what it will do is demonstrate that a large proportion of the UK voters think that the two issues above are very important !! The other Parties will HAVE to come up with policies before the next election to show that they have taken those concerns on board. Weasel words and vague promises won't do it again, they will have to have concrete, cast iron guarantees. Such as "We promise to deport any non UK nationals who break our criminal laws".
So to change the topic slightly, how do you think each Party will address the above issues in the run up to the next Election?
John

30 Apr 2013

The next GE will just be a war of words and negative campaigning, us style

30 Apr 2013

Quote by Geordiecpl2001
All you people are missing the point about this Thursdays vote !!
It does not matter that UKIP only have credible policies about Europe and immigration.
If they do well in local elections and come a credible second in South Shields, it will not change ANYTHING in this Country as regards immigration and Europe.
But what it will do is demonstrate that a large proportion of the UK voters think that the two issues above are very important !! The other Parties will HAVE to come up with policies before the next election to show that they have taken those concerns on board. Weasel words and vague promises won't do it again, they will have to have concrete, cast iron guarantees. Such as "We promise to deport any non UK nationals who break our criminal laws".
So to change the topic slightly, how do you think each Party will address the above issues in the run up to the next Election?
John

same asthey always do
..........loads of promises then serve them selves whilst in power
isn't that how its always done

30 Apr 2013

Quote by Lizaleanrob
All you people are missing the point about this Thursdays vote !!
It does not matter that UKIP only have credible policies about Europe and immigration.
If they do well in local elections and come a credible second in South Shields, it will not change ANYTHING in this Country as regards immigration and Europe.
But what it will do is demonstrate that a large proportion of the UK voters think that the two issues above are very important !! The other Parties will HAVE to come up with policies before the next election to show that they have taken those concerns on board. Weasel words and vague promises won't do it again, they will have to have concrete, cast iron guarantees. Such as "We promise to deport any non UK nationals who break our criminal laws".
So to change the topic slightly, how do you think each Party will address the above issues in the run up to the next Election?
John

same asthey always do
..........loads of promises then serve them selves whilst in power
isn't that how its always done
That's how it's always been done in the recent past, but do you not think that UKIP, Nigel in particular, has a bit of a reputation of "saying it how it is"?
Therefore the electorate would be more likely to vote UKIP if they perceived that Labour and Cons (think Lib Dems will sink without trace) were trying to flannel them again?
John

1 May 2013

Quote by Geordiecpl2001
All you people are missing the point about this Thursdays vote !!
It does not matter that UKIP only have credible policies about Europe and immigration.
If they do well in local elections and come a credible second in South Shields, it will not change ANYTHING in this Country as regards immigration and Europe.
But what it will do is demonstrate that a large proportion of the UK voters think that the two issues above are very important !! The other Parties will HAVE to come up with policies before the next election to show that they have taken those concerns on board. Weasel words and vague promises won't do it again, they will have to have concrete, cast iron guarantees. Such as "We promise to deport any non UK nationals who break our criminal laws".
So to change the topic slightly, how do you think each Party will address the above issues in the run up to the next Election?
John

It's a bit of a dangerous strategy isn't it though John? What if enough people go down the protest vote route to actually elect one of these clowns to office, either in this weeks local elections, or G*d forbid, a parliamentary seat at the next election? I wouldn't say UKIP is a bigotted, racist party in and of itself but enough reports on some of their candidates to know it has a tendency to attract complete bleedin' fruitloops who are racist bigots, xenophobes, misogynists, homophobes, you name it. Not the kind of people that would usually make good bed fellows for traditional Labour voters. article is old news but there's been plenty to add to it that backs up its central thrust in recent days and weeks.
Even if they get nowhere near a win anywhere in voting for them you legitimise them and give them credibility that they do not deserve. That makes the prospect of them winning seats and entering into some kind of power sharing deal with a more right-leaning Tory party come the next election more likely. Is that really what people want? You also send a message to Labour that you want them to move even further to the right of centre, the last thing traditional Labour voters would want I think, we need some effective opposition from them, not even more of this Tory-lite crap they've been peddling lately as One Nation New New Labour. Law of unintended consequences applies here I think. Again, be careful what you wish for. You might not like the results.

1 May 2013

UKIP has arisen to fill the right wing void that has come about as a consequence of the advent of "Tory Lite," post Thatcher.
I am surprised that in these times of real austerity that a similarly left of New Labour political party has not evolved to fill the shoes of traditional labour. Whatever Trade Unions there are remaining would surely support such a traditional Socialist manifesto.
The Race/Europe issues is a scary one - especially if otherwise middle of the road voters would forsake core economic ideals just to stick it to the EU and the foreigners. What a good job someone must have done to lay the blame on such an easy, but incorrect target.

1 May 2013

Quote by Too Hot
I am surprised that in these times of real austerity that a similarly left of New Labour political party has not evolved to fill the shoes of traditional labour. Whatever Trade Unions there are remaining would surely support such a traditional Socialist manifesto.

Funny you should say that Too Hot, that's exactly what some of us have decided we need to try and build in recent weeks. is aiming at a new party for the left leaning with members drawn from a number of disparate groups / traditions: disaffected Labour Party members, trade unionists, single issue campaign groups like Hands Off Our Homes, Keep Our NHS Public, current and ex-members of the usual suspects as far as activist parties of the left are concerned, and those with no real or recent history of activism but perhaps feeling that desperate times call for desperate measures like myself.
I was at the first planning meeting of my local group in Leeds a couple of weeks back, second planning meeting next week, we're launching publicly with an open meeting at Leeds Met with guest speaker ( children's author, teacher, Save Our Libraries campaign organiser, etc ) May 22nd. It will probably all come to nothing of course but I think the attempt to build something that might help push Labour leftward is desperately needed so that's me in for the duration. smile

1 May 2013

Quote by neilinleeds
I am surprised that in these times of real austerity that a similarly left of New Labour political party has not evolved to fill the shoes of traditional labour. Whatever Trade Unions there are remaining would surely support such a traditional Socialist manifesto.

Funny you should say that Too Hot, that's exactly what some of us have decided we need to try and build in recent weeks. is aiming at a new party for the left leaning with members drawn from a number of disparate groups / traditions: disaffected Labour Party members, trade unionists, single issue campaign groups like Hands Off Our Homes, Keep Our NHS Public, current and ex-members of the usual suspects as far as activist parties of the left are concerned, and those with no real or recent history of activism but perhaps feeling that desperate times call for desperate measures like myself.
I was at the first planning meeting of my local group in Leeds a couple of weeks back, second planning meeting next week, we're launching publicly with an open meeting at Leeds Met with guest speaker ( children's author, teacher, Save Our Libraries campaign organiser, etc ) May 22nd. It will probably all come to nothing of course but I think the attempt to build something that might help push Labour leftward is desperately needed so that's me in for the duration. smile

Not my cup of tea... Far from it if the truth be known, but I am all for diversity.

1 May 2013

Quote by neilinleeds
All you people are missing the point about this Thursdays vote !!
It does not matter that UKIP only have credible policies about Europe and immigration.
If they do well in local elections and come a credible second in South Shields, it will not change ANYTHING in this Country as regards immigration and Europe.
But what it will do is demonstrate that a large proportion of the UK voters think that the two issues above are very important !! The other Parties will HAVE to come up with policies before the next election to show that they have taken those concerns on board. Weasel words and vague promises won't do it again, they will have to have concrete, cast iron guarantees. Such as "We promise to deport any non UK nationals who break our criminal laws".
So to change the topic slightly, how do you think each Party will address the above issues in the run up to the next Election?
John

It's a bit of a dangerous strategy isn't it though John? What if enough people go down the protest vote route to actually elect one of these clowns to office, either in this weeks local elections, or G*d forbid, a parliamentary seat at the next election? I wouldn't say UKIP is a bigotted, racist party in and of itself but enough reports on some of their candidates to know it has a tendency to attract complete bleedin' fruitloops who are racist bigots, xenophobes, misogynists, homophobes, you name it. Not the kind of people that would usually make good bed fellows for traditional Labour voters. article is old news but there's been plenty to add to it that backs up its central thrust in recent days and weeks.
Even if they get nowhere near a win anywhere in voting for them you legitimise them and give them credibility that they do not deserve. That makes the prospect of them winning seats and entering into some kind of power sharing deal with a more right-leaning Tory party come the next election more likely. Is that really what people want? You also send a message to Labour that you want them to move even further to the right of centre, the last thing traditional Labour voters would want I think, we need some effective opposition from them, not even more of this Tory-lite crap they've been peddling lately as One Nation New New Labour. Law of unintended consequences applies here I think. Again, be careful what you wish for. You might not like the results.
See the bit I underlined and bolded Neil? That's the problem !! The ordinary people round where I live, traditional Labour voters since the Party was created, feel that the Labour Party has moved away from them.
Specific example, remember Gillian Duffy ? The woman from Rochdale, who Gordon Brown called a bigot. Except from the debacle below.
Gordon Brown has apologised after being caught on microphone describing a voter he had just spoken to in Rochdale as a "bigoted woman".
Sixty-five-year-old Gillian Duffy had challenged Mr Brown on a number of issues including immigration and crime.
As he got into his car, he was still wearing a broadcast microphone and was heard to say "that was a disaster".
Mr Brown later phoned Mrs Duffy to apologise after the tape was played to him during a BBC Radio 2 interview.
After listening to the recording, with his forehead resting on his hand, he said: "I do apologise if I've said anything that has been hurtful."
The Prime Minister is now travelling to apologise to Mrs Duffy in person.
The comments were made after the conversation with Mrs Duffy which ended with him complimenting her and her family.
As he went to get into his car, Mr Brown told her: "Very nice to meet you, very nice to meet you."
But off camera, and not realising he still had a Sky News microphone pinned to his shirt, he was heard to tell an aide: "That was a disaster - they should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? It's just ridiculous..."
Asked what she had said, he is heard to reply: "Ugh everything! She's just a sort of bigoted woman that said she used to be Labour. I mean it's just ridiculous. I don't know why Sue brought her up towards me."
Mrs Duffy said after hearing of Mr Brown's comments: "I'm very upset. He's an educated person. Why has he come out with words like that?
"He's supposed to be leading the country and he's calling an ordinary woman who's come up and asked questions that most people would ask him... It's going to be tax, tax, tax for another 20 years to get out of this national debt, and he's calling me a bigot."
Mrs Duffy, a widow who has a daughter and two grandchildren, said she used to work with disabled children for Rochdale council before she retired.
She had earlier told reporters she was a lifelong Labour voter and described Mr Brown as being "very nice".
So I'd suggest that Gillian, to me, represents "traditional Labour voter", but the Labour party, as shown above, no longer relates to her point of view. Of course Ed Milliband will claim he has different views to Gordon, but with Eds middle class background, do you really think he has?
John

1 May 2013

Quote by flower411
are racist bigots, xenophobes, misogynists, homophobes, you name it. Not the kind of people that would usually make good bed fellows for traditional Labour voters.

Are you absolutely sure about that Neil ?
I'm in no doubt that some of their members are extreme in every detail...
I would not waste my vote on a party that has as it's leader a fellow boasting about swindling the EU Parliament out of 2 million quid.

2 May 2013

Desperate people take desperate measures. :lol2::lol2:

3 May 2013

Well well well..........Seems UKIP did alright after all. But to be honest hardly a surprise. Cameron and certainly the Lib Dems will be scuttling back to their headquarters and be asking themselves all kinds of questions. The trouble is that these idiots really don;t get it. For intelligent Eaton educated toff boys, reality has not been at the top of their academic studies.
The people have spoken and I believe the UKIP party will get even stronger over the next couple of years, and the public will continue to see rabble rousers like Quatada getting away with taking the piss out of this country, and certainly the Lib Dems allowing it. Even if Cameron were to try and pull out of the Human rights act long enough to try and get him and his ilk out, Clegg would vote against it. The Lib Dems are finished as a creditable party, and it will be a cold day in Egypt before they power share ever again after 2015.
Of course there will be plenty who will dismiss it as a protest vote by disgruntled Tory supporters , but that is just a cop out. Voters in their masses turned against all the 3 main parties but it was the Tory and Liberals who had their arses kicked. I bet Cameron ain't calling them clowns this morning and is a man coming to the end of his political life. Labour started it.......Cameron has continued it........and now Farage wants to end it, and the people seem to agree.
Well done UKIP and well done Farage. :thumbup: Now roll on the General election in 2015. UKIP power sharing with Labour, surely that cannot be any worse than these current bunch of idiots.

3 May 2013

Protest vote or not, the other parties have to pay attention to the results, not to do so would be suicide, you can lose a general election to a protest vote, good thing for the Country or bad it's not yet important.
It is what the other parties do about it in the coming months that count, they will no doubt be looking into what they can do about the UKIP vote and it is what they decide to do that is important to the Nation.
They are lucky, they have seen what might happen in a General Election if they continue to right off UKIP as a protest vote or a serious threat.
All the parties now have the chance to think about it and make changes, so no predictions can be made to the political future of the UK until we see what happens next.

3 May 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
............ UKIP power sharing with Labour, surely that cannot be any worse than these current bunch of idiots.

Oh dear...
Did you do chemistry at school Star?... acid + alkili = water

3 May 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
............ UKIP power sharing with Labour, surely that cannot be any worse than these current bunch of idiots.

Quote by Too Hot
Oh dear...
Did you do chemistry at school Star?... acid + alkili = water

Well you can say what you like TH, I think even you are surprised at the size of their vote. Still it matters not mate, as firstly the Lib Dems ain't power sharing after 2015 of that you can be sure. Next if Cameron failed to get a majority last time, he sure as hell won't get one this time either. So where does British politics go from here? There must be plenty of Tory MP's pooing themselves and remember my local borough of Bexley gets to vote at the local elections next year, so must be another round of voting still to come.
Maybe the Tory party will now know that under Cameron they have not got a chance at a second term in office, and certainly not one with Cameron at the helm so.......I wonder if they will plot to get him out? A change in the law Cameron to guarantee a referendum on Europe is too little too late, as people simply don't trust him. The people want out of Europe ( well it seems more want out than want in ), and people en mass want a stop to future migrants being allowed into an already full UK.
Poor old Cameron, see what happens when you treat the electorate as fools. Time to pack your bags to sunnier climbs maybe TH. lol

:lol:

3 May 2013

And next year also brings European Parliamentary Elections 22 May 2014 (date not confirmed). Pretty much a given that UKIP well do pretty well in those I'd say.
Plus you have, Elections in all London Boroughs, and 128 other English Local Authorities, are scheduled be held on Thursday 1th May 2014; but these are likely to be moved to coincide with the European Parliamentary Elections.
These just one year before a General Election !! Think May / June next year will be "squeaky bum time" for Messers Cameron & Miliband and time for Clegg to be confirming he's stepping down from leadership of the libDems to concentrate on his family / charity work / new career opening / peace envoy to middle east (delete as required).
John

3 May 2013

It says much about the electorate that so many votes were given to a party with no economic policy.
Those who voted for UKIP have, by default, stated that they don't care about the economy, unemployment and the deficit. Is it because they believe that coming out of Europe will magic away all of those problems?
God help us at the next election if people vote for a political party without any economic policies. Then again, we can at least be assured of some savage cuts and extreme austerity measures from UKIP - that much they have stated.

3 May 2013

It's the usual mid term blues.
Voting intentions in by elections and local elections are often quite different to a GE.
Time enough yet for Farage to be caught with his trousers round his ankles and someone else's dick in his mouth wink

3 May 2013

Quote by Too Hot
It says much about the electorate that so many votes were given to a party with no economic policy.
Those who voted for UKIP have, by default, stated that they don't care about the economy, unemployment and the deficit. Is it because they believe that coming out of Europe will magic away all of those problems?
God help us at the next election if people vote for a political party without any economic policies. Then again, we can at least be assured of some savage cuts and extreme austerity measures from UKIP - that much they have stated.

I refer you to this, which I posted on Tuesday;
All you people are missing the point about this Thursdays vote !!
It does not matter that UKIP only have credible policies about Europe and immigration.
If they do well in local elections and come a credible second in South Shields, it will not change ANYTHING in this Country as regards immigration and Europe.
But what it will do is demonstrate that a large proportion of the UK voters think that the two issues above are very important !! The other Parties will HAVE to come up with policies before the next election to show that they have taken those concerns on board. Weasel words and vague promises won't do it again, they will have to have concrete, cast iron guarantees. Such as "We promise to deport any non UK nationals who break our criminal laws".
If the large vote for UKIP forces the Cons and Labour to listen to the people (what a strange concept for them) about immigration and certain aspects of EU membership, then it's been well worth voting for UKIP.
John

3 May 2013

Quote by Too Hot
It says much about the electorate that so many votes were given to a party with no economic policy.

You still scaremongering TH? lol

Cameron's interviews today have been a total reverse on his thoughts of a few weeks ago. What a numpty and now is the time for the people to kick him and his party out of office.

Quote by Too Hot
Those who voted for UKIP have, by default, stated that they don't care about the economy, unemployment and the deficit. Is it because they believe that coming out of Europe will magic away all of those problems?

Well you have definitely got something in common with Cameron, as you're another one that just does not get it..........do you?

Quote by Too Hot
God help us at the next election if people vote for a political party without any economic policies. Then again, we can at least be assured of some savage cuts and extreme austerity measures from UKIP - that much they have stated.

Yawn and yawn again TH. You're just saying the same old things. I have asked you for proof before but you was sadly lacking with anything constructive. I would, and so would many others think, God help us indeed if we were to get another 5 years of humbug policies from Cameron and his ilk.
As has been pointed out already, more local elections next year AND Euro elections which means plenty of time for the Tory's to fall further behind. You're not listening and sadly neither are the other poor delusional Tories. Same old same old mate.
Times are a changing in the UK, and you still don't get why.

3 May 2013

Quote by Too Hot
It says much about the electorate that so many votes were given to a party with no economic policy.
Those who voted for UKIP have, by default, stated that they don't care about the economy, unemployment and the deficit. Is it because they believe that coming out of Europe will magic away all of those problems?
God help us at the next election if people vote for a political party without any economic policies. Then again, we can at least be assured of some savage cuts and extreme austerity measures from UKIP - that much they have stated.

I think your calling it wrong, I think people do care, but know that these elections are not going to change the UK overnight, they have used their protest vote, they will use it again before the next General election if they need to, it is up to the big parties to act now and save themselves or bury the heads in the sand thinking that nothing will change.
The UKIP have done what they set out to do, they have entered the political arena with a bang, now they can sit down and work out economic policies and much more, if they do this and do it well then the next election could see them becoming a major player.
This time round the voting was about issues that people have strong feelings about, things people blame for the current economic problem, I am not saying they are right or wrong but a lot of people believe that our economic problems stem from the EU and our Immigration policies, they have shown that they want something done about those two issues, now it is up to all the parties to tell them just what they will do about it and how they will then take our economy forward.