ukip on the rise

6 May 2013

:thumbup: Vote for me,
:arrow: I'll pledge tax cuts for you
:arrow: I'll pledge cleaner streets
:arrow: I'll pledge a referendum
:arrow: I'll pledge sunny summers
:thumbup:
which one (s) of the above is true ?
All of them.
Thing is there is the usual and well quoted 'get out' phrase when you elect me and I've had a look at the books "none of the above is possible just yet, bacause iof what I inherited from the last lot". However like my pre-election pledge it'll be possible later
........................
just can't say when later will be
:small-print:
And rather than people realising that Politicians are there to get elected to try and implement there beliefs, they'll go along with whichever spin doctor comes up with the sound bites and quotes, that in isolation, get the headlines - be they audio-visual or print media.

6 May 2013

Quote by deancannock
Thing is....the economic policy of UKIP is irrelevant as they are not a serious party that thinks it will ever have power.....it is simply a pressure group, that is trying and it seems succeeding to highlight the publics disenchantment with immigration and Europe.
To be honest it is always the same in difficult times, we all turn and blame Jhonny foreigner. The worst thing that can be done is a knee jerk reaction , and try and copy the policys to be popular. I saw " on your bike " Tebbitt " saying that UKIP were 99% full of real Tory policys and they should take them on board. Mr Cameroon needs to hold his nerve, and it is one time I am glad there is Mr Clegg there and his Liberals who will be slowing that move down.
Come the general election...people will say " UKIP " who !!!

UKIP never having any power Dean? I would not bet your salary on it. Go back ten years ago would anyone in their right mind have predicted a power share with the Lib Dems and the Tories? I have said here many times that UKIP will not get overall power, but a power share with another party COULD be on the cards.
We have the Euro elections next year and more local elections. Nobody is blaming Johny foreigner Dean,what they are saying is to stop future migrants from entering the UK as we are full and lack jobs, and the NHS simply cannot continue to cope with ever more numbers entering and using it's services, Cameron has said as much by limiting the migrants right to use the NHS, or at least he says he will try.
Europe and stopping open door immigration is what people have voted on, not blaming the local Polish worker who has been here for 5 years already. If you really think at the election which is only two years away that people will be saying " UKIP who " you really are bonkers Dean. wink

6 May 2013

there is no difference in practise between any of the parlimentary parties regardless what promises, pledges or manifesto's they they make. government policy is NOT decided by politicians.

10 May 2013

We got no money and all the rooms at the Inn are full, someone needs to show some common sense.

19 May 2013

On the rise indeedy.

rotflmao

19 May 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
On the rise indeedy.

Personally, I think that UKIP are bringing out a particularly unpleasant trait that is hidden deep in some people's psyche and UKIP are giving those people and their inner thoughts a platform of respectability.
UKIP is a single message - lets get out of Europe and sort the foreigners out and everything will be OK. Is that really the most important think in the UK at the moment? Any normal thinking person should accept that the European issue needs addressing but it is not so important that it needs ramming down our throat as if it is a miracle cure for all ills.
The other UKIP policies are simple a more extreme version of what we are getting from the Conservative coalition now and seemingly these policies are hated? If Tory Lite is not palatable how will UKIP be acceptable?
This brings us full circle. The message is clear. UKIP followers are simply ant foreigners. Europe is disliked, immigrants are disliked and UKIP is now a platform to say this out loud. Rather sad that the real economic issues are not being addressed. Probably the fact that economic answers require us to ask questions of ourselves and it is in fact much easier to ask questions of the EU and of the foreigners.

19 May 2013

The really interesting statistic this week is that the most eurosceptic nation is not the Brits.....
but....
The French!!
Work that one out if you can :lol2:

19 May 2013

Quote by GnV
The really interesting statistic this week is that the most eurosceptic nation is not the Brits.....
but....
The French!!
Work that one out if you can :lol2:

Well at least we beat you in the Eurovision last night. :rascal:

19 May 2013

Quote by Too Hot
Personally, I think that UKIP are bringing out a particularly unpleasant trait that is hidden deep in some people's psyche and UKIP are giving those people and their inner thoughts a platform of respectability.

You carry on TH with your on " personal " point of view. lol

Quote by Too Hot
UKIP is a single message - lets get out of Europe and sort the foreigners out and everything will be OK.

Seems it very well could be to many people. wink

Quote by Too Hot
Is that really the most important think in the UK at the moment? Any normal thinking person should accept that the European issue needs addressing but it is not so important that it needs ramming down our throat as if it is a miracle cure for all ills.

Seems so.

Quote by Too Hot
The other UKIP policies are simple a more extreme version of what we are getting from the Conservative coalition now and seemingly these policies are hated? If Tory Lite is not palatable how will UKIP be acceptable?

19% of the electorate at the moment apparently are going to vote UKIP. Figure that one out eh TH eh?

:rotflmao:

Quote by Too Hot
This brings us full circle. The message is clear. UKIP followers are simply ant foreigners. Europe is disliked, immigrants are disliked and UKIP is now a platform to say this out loud. Rather sad that the real economic issues are not being addressed. Probably the fact that economic answers require us to ask questions of ourselves and it is in fact much easier to ask questions of the EU and of the foreigners.

Not it's not and you're scaremongering AGAIN TH. UKIP supporters want a stem on the incoming numbers, why as an intelligent man do you deliberately not get that message? I have not a lot of problems with the current lot here, but I am against future immigrants without any benefit to the UK being allowed in, purely because they are part of that non entity that is the Euro zone.
In life you start with the problems that cause the biggest concerns, and then work your way down the list. People en mass do not want further immigration in the scale that is about to hit us, and see getting out of Europe the only way to do this. But then TH........you really know that already, don't you. rolleyes

The Tory party and Cameron in particular would never ever have offered us a referendum, had UKIP not been taking serious votes away from them. Cameron is finished as Tory leader. He knows it and his party knows it. He has no chance of being an outright winner in 2015.

19 May 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
The really interesting statistic this week is that the most eurosceptic nation is not the Brits.....
but....
The French!!
Work that one out if you can :lol2:

Well at least we beat you in the Eurovision last night. :rascal:
It is said that the actual contest is NOT to win so you don't have the expense of hosting it the following year.
On THAT basis, the French were ahead flipa

19 May 2013

So by deduction - from your post -
You are voting UKIP on a single issue? To stem the flow of immigrants from Europe? Is that it?
Do you have concerns about .. Just to name a couple of things...
1) The state of the UK economy and the associated reduction of Govt borrowing?
2) Education
What will UKIP do about these two issues? The economy is the here and now and affects us all every day as does excessive Government borrowing. It is damaging our country about a thousand times more than any perceived (or otherwise) damage caused by foreign arrivals. Education reform is needed to guarantee a successful future for children who are here today - how is that going to be dealt with?
These are just two massively important issues that affect everyone who lives in this country today because they have a direct day to day effect on us all. Ignoring these issues to blame all of our problems on foreign arrivals, the EU or other third parties is at best very naive and at worst just plain stupid ignorant.
Why are seemingly intelligent people so blinded by the real issues that affect us all in order to publicly stick it to Johnny Foregner and everything associated with him? That is the question that so concerns me. Is it because talking about economics, taxes and employment is boring but sticking it to foreigners is really good fun? Is that the level to which we are descending?

20 May 2013

Quote by Too Hot
So by deduction - from your post -
You are voting UKIP on a single issue? To stem the flow of immigrants from Europe? Is that it?

Nope. I am tired of repeating myself time and time again. It is YOU that seems to be concentrating on that one single issue, nobody else. I am starting to question what part of dumb I do not seem to be coming across with.

Quote by Too Hot
Do you have concerns about .. Just to name a couple of things...
1) The state of the UK economy and the associated reduction of Govt borrowing?
2) Education

Reduction of borrowing? Is this Tory Government not borrowing any money now then? Doh and bloody doh. A slight dip it says but in reality accounting for inflation figures it is still not going down, but STILL borrowing huge sums TH. Austerity measures? Pffffftttttttt !!

Education? I think the education system is fine as it is. Yes there could be a fucking damn less interference from poxy Labour and Tory Government Ministers, but on the whole it is ok . My neighbour who is head of year in our local secondary school ( or should that be a fecking Academy ? ) states that if Governments stopped interfering and changing things every six weeks, maybe the standards would improve, and teachers would be allowed to do the job they trained to do........TEACH !!

Quote by Too Hot
What will UKIP do about these two issues? The economy is the here and now and affects us all every day as does excessive Government borrowing. It is damaging our country about a thousand times more than any perceived (or otherwise) damage caused by foreign arrivals. Education reform is needed to guarantee a successful future for children who are here today - how is that going to be dealt with?
These are just two massively important issues that affect everyone who lives in this country today because they have a direct day to day effect on us all. Ignoring these issues to blame all of our problems on foreign arrivals, the EU or other third parties is at best very naive and at worst just plain stupid ignorant.
Why are seemingly intelligent people so blinded by the real issues that affect us all in order to publicly stick it to Johnny Foregner and everything associated with him? That is the question that so concerns me. Is it because talking about economics, taxes and employment is boring but sticking it to foreigners is really good fun? Is that the level to which we are descending?

Same old Th, just same old. It is YOU that thinks about "Johny foreigner" all the time. It is YOU that constantly uses that argument as the one major reason over UKIP, it is NOT. This article is a brilliant piece and may I make a suggestion? READ iT !!!!

A couple of little snippets from this article is why people are going to vote UKIP.
"On the three key issues worrying voters — the economy, Europe and immigration — it has either nothing to say or is blamed by voters for creating the problem in the first place.
After a decade of Labour lies and pernicious smears of “racism”, Peter Mandelson has uncharacteristically blurted out the truth.
The Blair government, he admits, not only flung open the doors to five million foreigners but sent out “search parties” for more.
It would be surprising if the long-suffering British electorate forgave this, the biggest calculated act of social vandalism in this country’s history."
You can do a Cameron TH and ignore these facts, that is why Cameron is clinging onto power by his fingertips. He ignores this at his peril.
Oh and just so we don't forget the problems of this once great country....Who created the problems? Who has made the education system what it is today? Who opened the floodgates? Who failed to spot the banking collapse? UKIP??? No TH it was a two way disaster by your beloved Tory party, and the Bliar and Brown leadership. This country's problems were brought about by those two parties and not UKIP or their policies. You want anyone to blame there lies the obvious answers. The electorate are sick and tired of their lies and deceit and want some change.
Labour have destroyed this country and the Tory party have done nothing to reverse the trend. Cameron is concentrating on his gay rights bill which is another voting turn off. Cameron made promises as Leader of the Opposition and back tracked on most of them. With his gay rights bill, that alone has split his party down the middle. People en mass don't give a shit about gay marriage, but do care about immigration and Europe. He is missing the complete plot and as an ex Eaton boy they may have taught him economics, but nothing about reality.
It is not UKIP's policies we should be worried about, but this parties lack of policies and the last Government's wanton and deliberate destruction of this country. YOU bang on about the economy and education etc, but Cameron and the coalition seem to be spending way too much time on gay marriage laws. Is that really at the top of their agendas now? Seems it is and the public are sick of it.

20 May 2013

I wouldn't vote for UKIP for their policy on immigration it says here that they haven't actually got one

22 May 2013

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I wouldn't vote for UKIP for their policy on immigration it says here that they haven't actually got one

there you go staggers spoiling a good debate with facts again

:rotflmao:

22 Jun 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
it looks like ukip's popularity is growing
what part of their policies do you think are becoming popular with the British voter ?

There are many Rob and that is the reason they will be having my vote next time around.
Some of their policies get the big :thumbup: from me.
End the ban on smoking in allocated rooms in public houses, clubs and hotels. Even though I am a non smoker, the smoking ban has far exceeded what it was originally supposed to do.
The law of the land must be single and apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. We see day after day the same laws applying to some sections of our society, and others it seems are allowed to flaunt it. That has to change and no matter what colour or religion you are, the laws must be the same for all.
Support grammar schools and vocational education.:thumbup:
Assure for all people prompt and caring treatment in ill health.:thumbup:
loved this one in particular, so sorry for the delay in responding. Tax avoidence, hypocrit! Smoking in bars? Oh come on, get real. Who wants to smell like an ashtray these days?
UKIP are a mid term protest and hopefully someone will see they have no policies of their own, just a load of fat bald out of work thugs saying it's everyone else at fault for this country being in the shite.
Repeal the Human Rights Act to end abuses by convicted criminals and illegal immigrants.:thumbup:
Double prison places to enforce zero tolerance on crime.:thumbup:
The tide of mass EU immigration has pushed down wages and restricted job opportunities. Only by leaving the EU can we regain control of our borders.:thumbup: The biggest reason for me why they will get my vote.
The UK Independence Party's position on this issue may be stated simply: while UKIP fully supports the concept of civil partnerships, it opposes the move to legislate for same-sex marriage.:thumbup:
I will never again vote either Tory or Labour ever again. I have over the years voted for both of them, and they are really now just one party. Nigel Farage seems like a genuinely nice guy and is the one least likely to flop when answering his questions on programmes such as Question Time. He ticks many of the boxes for many new voters Rob.
There are other things as well Rob, but these are a good enough reason for me. Seems Rotherham Council do not approve though. :notes: