I have always been of the mind that, if you want higher education, you should pay for it
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Quote by Mr-Powers
Can we have another option...keep it capped as it is, and students pay half towards their fees.
Yes, if a mod would be kind enough to add it, as I don,t know how
Quote by Danne
i think that if students want higher education they should pay for it
I completely agree.
As I understand it, the reason why students go for higher education is to give them better career opportunities, so therefore it would be reasonable to assume they can generally earn better salaries than those who choose not to go for higher education.
It is after all a choice.
Quote by essex34m
i think that if students want higher education they should pay for it
I completely agree.
As I understand it, the reason why students go for higher education is to give them better career opportunities, so therefore it would be reasonable to assume they can generally earn better salaries than those who choose not to go for higher education.
It is after all a choice.
i agree
i wanted to say all that but couldnt get it to sound right so i gave up lol
Sex God
The student should pay.
Orgasminator
Quote by flower411
If you want to be a plumber ....you have to work or pay.
If you want to be an electrican ....you have to work or pay.
If you want to be a Doctor or an Architect ....you can swan about for years getting pissed and the rest of us are supposed to pick up the bill.
Just another demonstration of the less well off supporting the rich.
Sorry Flower, that's not true. If a school leaver goes to college to learn to be a plumber/electrician, hairdresser, mechanic etc its futher education and is free.
Most colleges that cater for school leavers for vocational qualifications, NVQ's, GNVQ's etc dont charge tuition fees.
Not sure if over 18's have to pay for the course or not.
Quote by Bluefish2009
I have always been of the mind that, if you want higher education, you should pay for it
Bang on the money.
I do not see why the tax payer should foot any of the money, for someone to go to Uni and better their own lives.
I know of five people over the last six years who have gone to Uni and gained their degrees. What is fecking annoying about that is simply not one of them have gone on to do a job of work, where that degree is needed.
A complete and total waste of money, and to think they have been left with huge debts but have not used the degree, is nothing short of a waste of money and a total waste of time. If the tax payer had been picking up the tab for it I would have been even more pissed off.
IF someone wants to go to medical school to become a Doctor, and then graduates the money potential is huge, so ALL students who want to go on to Uni, should pick up all the tab for their further education.
Orgasminator
Quote by flower411
If you want to be a plumber ....you have to work or pay.
If you want to be an electrican ....you have to work or pay.
If you want to be a Doctor or an Architect ....you can swan about for years getting pissed and the rest of us are supposed to pick up the bill.
Just another demonstration of the less well off supporting the rich.
Sorry Flower, that's not true. If a school leaver goes to college to learn to be a plumber/electrician, hairdresser, mechanic etc its futher education and is free.
Most colleges that cater for school leavers for vocational qualifications, NVQ's, GNVQ's etc dont charge tuition fees.
Not sure if over 18's have to pay for the course or not.
OK ... I give in ! I can`t find any free nvq courses that aren`t job related.
Where do you go to find them ?
NVQ's are job related. Thats the point of them. (Is that what you mean? Im not sure) And they are free for 16-19 year olds. I've just looked on Hull College's website, I cant find anything about fees easily and honestly Im just too tired to search but the reason I know school leavers dont pay for vocational courses is because my step son is on a plumbing course. Its further education which is free for 16-19yr olds and there are courses on all sorts of things. As I said though, I dont know if its the same for over 19's.
It is called reality..............
Why should something like University education be free?
Some think everything should be fecking free, but as I have said many times.....Socialism is fantastic until the money runs out.....which it has!!!
The state education is free up to the age of 18, when someone finishes A levels.
That is a possible 14 years of free schooling, why should the tax payer pick up a possible further six years at Uni, because someone wants to be a Doctor or a Lawyer?
Do some people really believe we have this never ending pot of money? Along with all the benefits that are paid to the squillions, where does all this free charity come from? Certainly not the workshy or the bad back brigade, but the tax payer.
Why should something like University education be free?
Some think everything should be fecking free, but as I have said many times.....Socialism is fantastic until the money runs out.....which it has!!!
The state education is free up to the age of 18, when someone finishes A levels.
That is a possible 14 years of free schooling, why should the tax payer pick up a possible further six years at Uni, because someone wants to be a Doctor or a Lawyer?
Do some people really believe we have this never ending pot of money? Along with all the benefits that are paid to the squillions, where does all this free charity come from? Certainly not the workshy or the bad back brigade, but the tax payer.
Sex God
Stop so many freaking people going! Let's have more workplace based on the job training. Lets stop the stupid courses and degrees such as or and loads of others.
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
How sad that we have reached a state where education is only valued for what it can earn you in the are less civilised than Socrates.
I don't think we have. What's being said, is that people who choose to go on to higher education, will pay the money it costs for that, when they are able to.
Some people do degrees and never do anything with them - why should the state pay for that?
well....lets just remember if these graduates do become Doctors or dentists etc etc....they do pay the state back, in as much as they will be paying tax. And quite often a higher level of tax, as they will earn such a good slary.
Haveing said that....I think it should where possible be 50/50. My concern with full payment by the graduate, is that it will mean only the rich will go to university. Many from a poorer background will be put off. At todays levels, it is stated a three year degree course will leave the student with an average of £38,000 worth of debt to pay off !!
It has been commented that many students don't use their degree knowledge to its full extent. Maybe this has a lot to do with the current employment market. People are making people redundant more than they are taking on new higher salary workers !!!
and as an aside note...this could well be the argument that brings down the coalition, if David Cameroon continues with it. Nick Clegg stood during the election alongside many students oppossed to tution fees. His party is strongly oppossed to any tution fees. Something....somehwere will have to give.
Haveing said that....I think it should where possible be 50/50. My concern with full payment by the graduate, is that it will mean only the rich will go to university. Many from a poorer background will be put off. At todays levels, it is stated a three year degree course will leave the student with an average of £38,000 worth of debt to pay off !!
It has been commented that many students don't use their degree knowledge to its full extent. Maybe this has a lot to do with the current employment market. People are making people redundant more than they are taking on new higher salary workers !!!
and as an aside note...this could well be the argument that brings down the coalition, if David Cameroon continues with it. Nick Clegg stood during the election alongside many students oppossed to tution fees. His party is strongly oppossed to any tution fees. Something....somehwere will have to give.
HE Students 2,396,050
Qualifiers 674,415
Academic staff 179,040
Non-academic staff 203,720
Could be a few votes that will not be going Tory or Libs way next time if they bring this one in.
I have always been in favour of free courses and grants for students as their higher earnings paid in through the tax would pay it back.
Dave_Notts
Qualifiers 674,415
Academic staff 179,040
Non-academic staff 203,720
Could be a few votes that will not be going Tory or Libs way next time if they bring this one in.
I have always been in favour of free courses and grants for students as their higher earnings paid in through the tax would pay it back.
Dave_Notts
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I can't vote - there is no option for a mixture or for payment options to cover different circumstances.
One point I did think when they were putting forward the idea that those that graduate into higher paid jobs pay more. Maybe it would be fairer if those that pissed away their university years in the pub and crawl out with either nothing or a much lower degree than they were capapble of should pay back everything they were given - those that work hard and make the most of their opportunities should get some easement.
It could be measured by attendance at lectures/tutorials, ontime delivery of work, overall grade of work through the course. I knwo many unis chcuk people off courses if they don't make the minimum attendance or delivery (which is actually quite high).
What I do think is that the whole burden should no longer fall on the parents - 19 year-olds rarely have the money up front so that's where it falls - on the parents, and most can't afford it. Given a basic understanding of the parent's and student's financial position, there should be sufficient support from the state to ensure that entry into Uni is based 100% on ability and willingness to work - not on how rich Daddy is.
Students should be strongly encouraged to get jobs too - job-centres in Uni that really work. Many courses are flexible enough to allow employers to get the hours they need.
One point I did think when they were putting forward the idea that those that graduate into higher paid jobs pay more. Maybe it would be fairer if those that pissed away their university years in the pub and crawl out with either nothing or a much lower degree than they were capapble of should pay back everything they were given - those that work hard and make the most of their opportunities should get some easement.
It could be measured by attendance at lectures/tutorials, ontime delivery of work, overall grade of work through the course. I knwo many unis chcuk people off courses if they don't make the minimum attendance or delivery (which is actually quite high).
What I do think is that the whole burden should no longer fall on the parents - 19 year-olds rarely have the money up front so that's where it falls - on the parents, and most can't afford it. Given a basic understanding of the parent's and student's financial position, there should be sufficient support from the state to ensure that entry into Uni is based 100% on ability and willingness to work - not on how rich Daddy is.
Students should be strongly encouraged to get jobs too - job-centres in Uni that really work. Many courses are flexible enough to allow employers to get the hours they need.
Sex God
Quote by foxylady2209
I can't vote - there is no option for a mixture or for payment options to cover different circumstances.
One point I did think when they were putting forward the idea that those that graduate into higher paid jobs pay more. Maybe it would be fairer if those that pissed away their university years in the pub and crawl out with either nothing or a much lower degree than they were capapble of should pay back everything they were given - those that work hard and make the most of their opportunities should get some easement.
It could be measured by attendance at lectures/tutorials, ontime delivery of work, overall grade of work through the course. I knwo many unis chcuk people off courses if they don't make the minimum attendance or delivery (which is actually quite high).
What I do think is that the whole burden should no longer fall on the parents - 19 year-olds rarely have the money up front so that's where it falls - on the parents, and most can't afford it. Given a basic understanding of the parent's and student's financial position, there should be sufficient support from the state to ensure that entry into Uni is based 100% on ability and willingness to work - not on how rich Daddy is.
Students should be strongly encouraged to get jobs too - job-centres in Uni that really work. Many courses are flexible enough to allow employers to get the hours they need.
This is a valid point, some students are only attending a few hours of lectures/tutorials a week!
The rest of the time is a bit of a jolly up.
A friend of my Daughter did four years at Brighton Uni, got her degree yet did not sit a single exam to achieve it.
All done on coursework and left Uni only to find her degree did not mean anything in the open market for a job.
She has done various things but is currently working in a Pizza hut, but now saddled with 12 grands worth of debt.
Is that a complete fucking waste of four years or what?
A friend of my Daughter did four years at Brighton Uni, got her degree yet did not sit a single exam to achieve it.
All done on coursework and left Uni only to find her degree did not mean anything in the open market for a job.
She has done various things but is currently working in a Pizza hut, but now saddled with 12 grands worth of debt.
Is that a complete fucking waste of four years or what?
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
The rest of the time is a bit of a jolly up.
A friend of my Daughter did four years at Brighton Uni, got her degree yet did not sit a single exam to achieve it.
All done on coursework and left Uni only to find her degree did not mean anything in the open market for a job.
She has done various things but is currently working in a Pizza hut, but now saddled with 12 grands worth of debt.
Is that a complete fucking waste of four years or what?
Yes and money!
