Well I read it (obviously wrongly as the 2011/12 season) but the reality is the names change, the amounts vary (probaby gone up drastically since 2010) but the facts will remain the same, you can earn more in Spain, great money in England and decent money in Germany or Italy, Rooney should be able to double his wages in Spain regardless of how much he earns here. When your earning that much money I am guessing it is more about what you want and where you want to play than the odd million pounds and I wonder what the tax implications would be of earning 5 million a year in England or 5 million a year in Spain, could it be that you would actually take home more cash in hand in Spain even though the Gross is the same ? dunno just wondering ?
2.5 Billion euros or 3 Billion pounds the difference is as insignificant when talking such huge amounts as it would be if you were asked to pay or for something you really wanted.
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And current figures show Rooney as having an 8 million pound a year contract at old trafford his income is boosted by his "brand" advertising and the like to 17 million pounds
Messi earns 12 million euros a year with bonuses and a massive 21 million in advertising and other contracts making the total around 33 million euros a year
Ronaldo's total at the moment is around 29 million euros
Messi earns 12 million euros a year with bonuses and a massive 21 million in advertising and other contracts making the total around 33 million euros a year
Ronaldo's total at the moment is around 29 million euros
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Well I read it (obviously wrongly as the 2011/12 season) but the reality is the names change, the amounts vary (probaby gone up drastically since 2010) but the facts will remain the same, you can earn more in Spain, great money in England and decent money in Germany or Italy, Rooney should be able to double his wages in Spain regardless of how much he earns here. When your earning that much money I am guessing it is more about what you want and where you want to play than the odd million pounds and I wonder what the tax implications would be of earning 5 million a year in England or 5 million a year in Spain, could it be that you would actually take home more cash in hand in Spain even though the Gross is the same ? dunno just wondering ?
2.5 Billion euros or 3 Billion pounds the difference is as insignificant when talking such huge amounts as it would be if you were asked to pay or for something you really wanted.
The difference between 3 billion pounds and 2.5 billion Euros is about 1.1 billion Euros or put another way, nearly half as much again. Hardly insignificant!
You keep on banging on about Messi and Ronaldo. They are currently two of the best players in the world and would command massive salaries which ever league they played in. Foreign players will normally command a higher salary in the EPL than in La Liga. Try doing a little research into last season in La Liga, how the start of it was delayed due to players strikes because of non payment of wages and teams not being able to get shirt sponsorship.
:rotflmao:
when has that ever stopped you? 
The article I read was entitled "TOP 50 FOOTBALLERS SALARIES 2011" but when I checked further it was published in 2011, However, as I said, the names change the amount rise but the facts are still the same (Messi highest current paid) Spain pay the highest salaries and England, Germany and Italy.
And if a 2.5 billion euro injection of cash from BsBSky doesn't have any effect on the Bundesliga I would be very very surprised.
So to say that England pay the highest salaries is simply wrong, to say that foreign players only come here for the high salaries, or that the Premier League is the only league that gets a lot of money from BsBSky is also wrong, a factor perhaps in why we are in the top 5 of salary payers and why players will come here but not the whole story.
And if a 2.5 billion euro injection of cash from BsBSky doesn't have any effect on the Bundesliga I would be very very surprised.
So to say that England pay the highest salaries is simply wrong, to say that foreign players only come here for the high salaries, or that the Premier League is the only league that gets a lot of money from BsBSky is also wrong, a factor perhaps in why we are in the top 5 of salary payers and why players will come here but not the whole story.
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The article I read was entitled "TOP 50 FOOTBALLERS SALARIES 2011" but when I checked further it was published in 2011, However, as I said, the names change the amount rise but the facts are still the same (Messi highest current paid) Spain pay the highest salaries and England, Germany and Italy.
And if a 2.5 billion euro injection of cash from BsBSky doesn't have any effect on the Bundesliga I would be very very surprised.
So to say that England pay the highest salaries is simply wrong, to say that foreign players only come here for the high salaries, or that the Premier League is the only league that gets a lot of money from BsBSky is also wrong, a factor perhaps in why we are in the top 5 of salary payers and why players will come here but not the whole story.
Where did I say that the EPL is the only league to receive a lot of money from Sky? I said Sky pours money into the EPL, which it does. If 2.5 billion Euros has an impact on the Budesliga, then 3.6 billion will have a greater impact on the EPL!
Please have a look at this link.
It shows the average salary paid to all teams in ( amongst others) the EPL, La Liga, Sirie A and the Budesliga. Look at the graph for La Liga. See the difference between the top 2 and the rest? Now look at the EPL. What does that tell you? What it tells me, is that Barca and Real Madrid may pay several of their top stars huge salaries but the overall average salary in the EPL is higher than in La Liga....which is why as I have stated previously, the foreign players flock to the EPL.
Still don't believe me? Look at this link.
It shows the average salary per player for the top 278 sporting teams from various sports around the world. I could only be bothered to look at the top 150 but in that top 150, both Italy and Spain have 4 teams, Italy with a combined average salary of £13.5 million and Spain £15 million. Germany has 8 teams with a combined average salary of £15.6 million and the EPL has 14 teams at a combined average of £32.9 million.
Now who's simply wrong?
Oh and BTW, Messi is not the highest paid footballer, try Googling Samuel Eto'o
Your not wrong and your not right, until you can show me the documentary evidence you enjoy quoting so much, and that evidence is proof that the reason the majority of foreign players in the EPL are here is because of money, some will earn more here than they could at home some won't, some will have greater expenses in living here than they would living in thier home Country and as I said I don't know the tax implications of playing in leagues in other countries but I keep hearing that income tax here is greater than that abroad.
Money may be a factor, it didn't tempt Giggs in his hayday to take up an offer to play in Spain for almost double his EPL salary of the time and I am sure others like Gerard could get lucrative contracts abroad, Beckham is even now one of the highest paid footballers yet has often stated he would love to play for MU and that he never wanted to leave them, I honestly believe that whilst money may be a factor playing in the EPL is also a big factor, Ronaldo when leaving United said he was doing so because he had attained his goal of playing in the EPL but was now ready to return to his roots. And of course, they come here mainly because of our weather
Money may be a factor, it didn't tempt Giggs in his hayday to take up an offer to play in Spain for almost double his EPL salary of the time and I am sure others like Gerard could get lucrative contracts abroad, Beckham is even now one of the highest paid footballers yet has often stated he would love to play for MU and that he never wanted to leave them, I honestly believe that whilst money may be a factor playing in the EPL is also a big factor, Ronaldo when leaving United said he was doing so because he had attained his goal of playing in the EPL but was now ready to return to his roots. And of course, they come here mainly because of our weather
Sex God
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And current figures show Rooney as having an 8 million pound a year contract at old trafford his income is boosted by his "brand" advertising and the like to 17 million pounds
Messi earns 12 million euros a year with bonuses and a massive 21 million in advertising and other contracts making the total around 33 million euros a year
Ronaldo's total at the moment is around 29 million euros
which goes to prove that some people should not be trusted with money
really who the fuck would pay Rooney 8 million quid a year to show flashes of genius that occur with the same regularity as Haley's comet passing the earths atmosphere
the modern day john barns
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Your not wrong and your not right, until you can show me the documentary evidence you enjoy quoting so much, and that evidence is proof that the reason the majority of foreign players in the EPL are here is because of money, some will earn more here than they could at home some won't, some will have greater expenses in living here than they would living in thier home Country and as I said I don't know the tax implications of playing in leagues in other countries but I keep hearing that income tax here is greater than that abroad.
I appreciate that you are unable to provide any documentary evidence to support the majority of claims you make in these forums.
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Money may be a factor, it didn't tempt Giggs in his hayday to take up an offer to play in Spain for almost double his EPL salary of the time and I am sure others like Gerard could get lucrative contracts abroad, Beckham is even now one of the highest paid footballers yet has often stated he would love to play for MU and that he never wanted to leave them, I honestly believe that whilst money may be a factor playing in the EPL is also a big factor, Ronaldo when leaving United said he was doing so because he had attained his goal of playing in the EPL but was now ready to return to his roots. And of course, they come here mainly because of our weather
Could Giggs and Gerrard have played abroad successfully? Possibly but British players have a very poor record of making a successful career abroad, of being able to adjust to the different type of game, different culture and language. Off the top of my head I can only think of Lineker, Ray Wilkins, Beckham and David Plat.
As for Beckham and Ronaldo, if Beckham didn't want to leave Man U, why did he? He wasn't shown the door by Sir Alex. It was his decision to move. Ronaldo is Portuguese, Madrid is hardly his roots!
some come here for the money and some do not. but what i would say and i think that this would somewhat side in a way with mids is, name me a single " world class player " that has come from abroad to play in the EPL?
players have become world class and then left to play abroad, but can anyone at all name a single player who was/is in the top fifty players in the world who has come to this country to ply there trade, that were deemed world class?
many world class players have turned down the opportunity to play here. so can anyone name a world class player? not what a person would presume to be world class, but what the experts would say.
chelsea and manchester city have signed some great players, but world class ones? arsenal have signed many players that went on to become world class players, henry, febregas, van persie to name just 3, but they never came to arsenal being world class.
i would love someone to give me some names.
players have become world class and then left to play abroad, but can anyone at all name a single player who was/is in the top fifty players in the world who has come to this country to ply there trade, that were deemed world class?
many world class players have turned down the opportunity to play here. so can anyone name a world class player? not what a person would presume to be world class, but what the experts would say.
chelsea and manchester city have signed some great players, but world class ones? arsenal have signed many players that went on to become world class players, henry, febregas, van persie to name just 3, but they never came to arsenal being world class.
i would love someone to give me some names.
Sex God
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some come here for the money and some do not. but what i would say and i think that this would somewhat side in a way with mids is, name me a single " world class player " that has come from abroad to play in the EPL?
players have become world class and then left to play abroad, but can anyone at all name a single player who was/is in the top fifty players in the world who has come to this country to ply there trade, that were deemed world class?
many world class players have turned down the opportunity to play here. so can anyone name a world class player? not what a person would presume to be world class, but what the experts would say.
chelsea and manchester city have signed some great players, but world class ones? arsenal have signed many players that went on to become world class players, henry, febregas, van persie to name just 3, but they never came to arsenal being world class.
i would love someone to give me some names.
dennis bercamp
ossie ardiles
rudd hullit (spelling)
jurgan klinsman
edgar davids
Gianfranco Zola
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dennis bercamp
Bergkamp left Internazionale to go to arsenal as an established international footballer, but at that time was certainly not a world class player.
ossie ardiles
what a world class footballer went to spurs rob? no really? he came from a no hoper team after the 1978 world cup. a world class footballer going to spurs?
rudd hullit (spelling)
Gullit i will give you that one rob.
jurgan klinsman
he left AS Monaco after a terrible time there as a lone striker. he was hardly a world class player at the time he joined spurs in 1994 rob
edgar davids
In the summer of 2004, he permanently moved on to Italian club F.C. Internazionale Milano on a three-year contract. When Inter terminated the remaining years of his contract in August 2005, he moved to England on a free transfer to play for Tottenham Hotspur F.C.. He had a successful stay at Tottenham and instantly became a fan's favourite. His first and only goal was in a 2–1 away win against Wigan Athletic
rob are you seriously telling me this guy was world class? he went to spurs on a free transfer, thats a good sign then and scored one goal. rob i expected better of you.
Gianfranco Zola
zola came from another team of no hopers in Parma rob. he was at the time of coming to chelsea a very good player indeed, but surely not a world class player?
so one rob i would say was possibly world class. when we talk about world class players rob, check there previous records and the clubs they played for.
one that i have thought of rob is Claude Makelele.
he was a world class player that was signed from Real madrid.
i possibly would have said eric cantona, but even though he turned into one of the best players ever in this country, when he joined leeds united from Nîmes he was just returning from self exilled football. never a world class player when he came to the uk though, but ended up like so many others who have come here, into world class players.
he was a world class player that was signed from Real madrid.
i possibly would have said eric cantona, but even though he turned into one of the best players ever in this country, when he joined leeds united from Nîmes he was just returning from self exilled football. never a world class player when he came to the uk though, but ended up like so many others who have come here, into world class players.
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George Best?
ah the great fantastic lovable georgie best.
trouble is GNV he left belfast at the tender age of 15 ( hardly a world class player then ), and then without a doubt went on to become world class. had he been almost any other nationality other than Irish, he would have been a true legend, but unfortunately ireland have never been known as a good footballing nation at international level.
of course at man utd i think he won everything as a player, and to me in the top ten of the greatest players ever in this country.
the question GNV was a player that was already world class when they came to england.
pay attention
Sex God
Move a footie thread into the cunt affairs forum and it becomes a pointless debate about facts and figures. Boring load of statistics in here. Football threads are not current affairs :mad:
Sex God
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some come here for the money and some do not. but what i would say and i think that this would somewhat side in a way with mids is, name me a single " world class player " that has come from abroad to play in the EPL?
players have become world class and then left to play abroad, but can anyone at all name a single player who was/is in the top fifty players in the world who has come to this country to ply there trade, that were deemed world class?
many world class players have turned down the opportunity to play here. so can anyone name a world class player? not what a person would presume to be world class, but what the experts would say.
chelsea and manchester city have signed some great players, but world class ones? arsenal have signed many players that went on to become world class players, henry, febregas, van persie to name just 3, but they never came to arsenal being world class.
i would love someone to give me some names.
I could probably reem a list off but off the top of my head
Van Nistlerooy
Andriy Schevchenko (Didnt say he had to do well here :P )
Sexlightened
Schmiechel / Van De Sar
Evra
Stam
Carvelleo
Zabelleta
Ronaldo
Veron
Silva
Zola
Klinsman
Torres
All Managed by Mourinio ... all World Class in my eyes, and the list for substitutes is endless.
Evra
Stam
Carvelleo
Zabelleta
Ronaldo
Veron
Silva
Zola
Klinsman
Torres
All Managed by Mourinio ... all World Class in my eyes, and the list for substitutes is endless.
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George Best?
ah the great fantastic lovable georgie best.
trouble is GNV he left belfast at the tender age of 15 ( hardly a world class player then ), and then without a doubt went on to become world class. had he been almost any other nationality other than Irish, he would have been a true legend, but unfortunately ireland have never been known as a good footballing nation at international level.
of course at man utd i think he won everything as a player, and to me in the top ten of the greatest players ever in this country.
the question GNV was a player that was already world class when they came to england.
pay attention
But, even at 15 he was was world class when he came to England.... :rude:
Yah can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear
Georgie was pure gold. Quote by Lizaleanrob
some come here for the money and some do not. but what i would say and i think that this would somewhat side in a way with mids is, name me a single " world class player " that has come from abroad to play in the EPL?
players have become world class and then left to play abroad, but can anyone at all name a single player who was/is in the top fifty players in the world who has come to this country to ply there trade, that were deemed world class?
many world class players have turned down the opportunity to play here. so can anyone name a world class player? not what a person would presume to be world class, but what the experts would say.
chelsea and manchester city have signed some great players, but world class ones? arsenal have signed many players that went on to become world class players, henry, febregas, van persie to name just 3, but they never came to arsenal being world class.
i would love someone to give me some names.
dennis bercamp
ossie ardiles
rudd hullit (spelling)
jurgan klinsman
agree in part but Ossie ardiles (God bless him) and Pele (God did bless him and now he can walk on water) did not learn thier skills in the English league they learnt them in the movie "Escape to Victory" before they got the parts as extras in that they were useless
as were Bobby Moore, Mike Summerbee, Osman and Thorensen. :lol:edgar davids
Gianfranco Zola
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George Best?
ah the great fantastic lovable georgie best.
trouble is GNV he left belfast at the tender age of 15 ( hardly a world class player then ), and then without a doubt went on to become world class. had he been almost any other nationality other than Irish, he would have been a true legend, but unfortunately ireland have never been known as a good footballing nation at international level.
of course at man utd i think he won everything as a player, and to me in the top ten of the greatest players ever in this country.
the question GNV was a player that was already world class when they came to england.
pay attention
It is a very difficult question to answer, probably impossible, every now and again, a scout puts a manager onto someone who is destined to be a world class player, a manager signs him and the story unfolds, what we will never know is what would have happened if Georgie (love him to bits God rest his soul) had stayed in Northern Ireland, perhaps his career wouldn't have gone the way it did, but what if he had gone to Spain, Portugal or Germany, I personally think his natural talent would have still shone, yes I think he benefitted from playing in England but some are just destined to be by sheer raw talent.
Peter Schmeichal possibly the best keeper ever, Eric Cantona possibly the best playmaker ever, Beckham possibly the best crosser of the ball ever (and before we argue about those thoughts, they are certainly in the top 5 for thier skill) surely.
My partner being a "foreigner" I understand the difficulties of understanding English humour and especially in the written word, most would realise the irony and intended humour at my "we train em well" comment even without a tone of voice, wink or smile, but I still believe that at this time we do have the best league in the world and that many foreign players choose to come here to experience it, learn from it and pick up a nice little earner at the same time, some like it so much they stay a long time, some use it as a brief career move then return to European football, (european football hence my comment back to his roots for Ronaldo)
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Schmiechel / Van De Sar
Evra
Stam
Carvelleo
Zabelleta
Ronaldo
Veron
Silva
Zola
Klinsman
Torres
All Managed by Mourinio ... all World Class in my eyes, and the list for substitutes is endless.
ronaldo was a million miles away from world class when he came here.
zola and klinsman i have already mentioned in a thread above.
oh dear peeple should do a bit more home work :doh:
peter Schmeichel was voted 10th in "The World's Best Goalkeeper 1991" poll by the IFFHS, just before man utd brought him. ferguson saw a good goalkeeper at the time, but 10th in the world is not world class.
edwin van der sar was brought by Manchester utd by,,,,,Fulham ffs. has fulham ever had a world class anything?
Stam was so world class that ferguson booted him out of old trafford. Torres was also not world class when he came to liverpool, he became world class for about a season and a half. I cannot be bothered to go on really as apart from two players the rest were nothing until they came to the premier league. which on that evidence coming to our premier league was in my opinion partly for money and partly to play in a much better league, and to improve there own game which for hundreds of players it most certainly did.
Ricardo Carvalho was probably just bordering on world class whn he came to chelsea from porto. under José Mourinho who won the champions league . the next season he left for chelsea.
Sexlightened
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but 10th in the world is not world class.
Being in the top 10 in the world at any sport is world class.
Dave_Notts
Indeed Dave ... "World Class" is objectional and in my eyes, as i stated in my post all the players were world class when they came to play in the Prem ... Ronaldo was a "World Class" winger already not just with potnetial.
I missed out Robinhio ... i have noticed the OP tends to disect the bits of the posts they want and ignores the bits that don't fit their "argument"
Sex God
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Move a footie thread into the cunt affairs forum and it becomes a pointless debate about facts and figures. Boring load of statistics in here. Football threads are not current affairs :mad:
Tweeky,
do try and keep up with legal news, as and when injunctions get broken/lifted, there's plenty about current affairs involving footballers
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Indeed Dave ... "World Class" is objectional and in my eyes, as i stated in my post all the players were world class when they came to play in the Prem ... Ronaldo was a "World Class" winger already not just with potnetial.
really? then i shall ask you a question. if he was world class already in your eyes, why was he only brought to the great alex fergusons attention by some of his players who knew him? also are you seriously telling me that had he been world class at that time, that he would have still gone to man utd over the likes of barcelona or real madrid? i do not think so, he was already a good player but only became world class after joining utd, and he plys his trade where now?
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I missed out Robinhio ... i have noticed the OP tends to disect the bits of the posts they want and ignores the bits that don't fit their "argument"
i think you will find it is spelt Robinho, if that is indeed the player you are talking about. After reading about his previous career before coming here, then he was just world class.
though i am not the op, but highlight the bits only that i believe are not correct. i think you will find that happens on all forums as well as here. :thumbup:
the whole point is , is that foreign players have been coming here now for years and yet we struggle to find more than ten that were already world class players. It seems that on so many occasions when they reach that world class goal, they move abroad because unfortunately we produce world class players of english standing, not that often. Some peeple here would probably suggest that rooney is also world class. is he though? for playing for his country on a world stage he is next to useless. also as has already been mentioned, when a great players of ours goes abroad, virtually every time they fail with the exception of a limited few.
one of our greatest strikes of all time that played here was ian rush. he went to i think Juventus and was next to useless. has this country got any english home grown world class players? players that could get into a real madrid or barcelona team right now? doubtful.
