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Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Ok this times table malarky, anybody know why we learnt them up to 12?
im not sure where your at ben are you saying it its or its not acceptable for a child to enter high school with out a basic knowledge of english or maths
Sex God
Quote by emma_hughes
If the author of this thread had faced a low ability class on a sink estate in Bolton daily for 2 years his opinion of Teachers may differ slightly.
Teaching in a society where claim for gain rules is tough.. Parents and Pupils are always on the look out for an opportunity to complain or demonise teachers. little Jonnie told the teacher to " fuck off" turns into little jonnie was being victimised by the teacher. therefore massive kickoff by equally ignorant parents.. ending in investigation of the person who has truly been victimised, leading to a official apology from the school.
I was alway's of the opinion that manners and behaviour was learn't at home. Obviously not due to the bigoted rant that started this thread.
so are you saying that only middle class area's deserve a good education? i know many a polite middle class family who's child/children are often passed off as being dyslexic or not wanting to lean as an easy out for a teacher :sad:
our own child was until we was introduced to a lady who spent a couple of hours a week with her to turn her into an AA grade student
as apposed to the teacher who offered extra lessons @ £75/hour told our daughter to read a book out loud whilst marking other children's books :doh:
we was lucky so many other are not
Sex God
Quote by deancannock
Ok this times table malarky, anybody know why we learnt them up to 12?
Not that i am old enough to rememeber...
but I guess it was to do with old currency...where you got 12 pennies to a shilling !!!
And 12 inches to the foot.
You have to wonder if in the really old days, people had 6 fingers on each hand - otherwise why have anything divided into 12 instead of 10?
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Thank you for the responses about 12 times tables.
Where is this evidence to support the assertion that literacy amongst 11 yr olds is worse now than, lets say, 20, 50 or 100 years ago. I ask because I don't believe it to be so.
has anyone suggested otherwise then ben ???
i think the general feeling is in this day and age it shouldn't be happening at all
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Thank you for the responses about 12 times tables.
Where is this evidence to support the assertion that literacy amongst 11 yr olds is worse now than, lets say, 20, 50 or 100 years ago. I ask because I don't believe it to be so.
I would hazard it is better than 100 years ago, and I for one would like to see that process of improvement continue.
Quote by Ben_Minx
Where is this evidence to support the assertion that literacy amongst 11 yr olds is worse now than, lets say, 20, 50 or 100 years ago. I ask because I don't believe it to be so.
i would presume without checking that the literacy skills are worse today than 20 or 30 years ago. blimey this report even suggests that only going back three years ago they are worse today.
there is a lot of links and web sites out there that prove that youngsters are in general more illiterate today than ever before.
even the old guardian has a bit to say and Ofsted who know a bit more than you or me ben, and back things up with facts and not just opinions.
Overall, the teaching of essential phonic skills up to the age of six was 'too slow and unsystematic' and the situation deteriorated as children got older.
Word work for six and seven-yearolds was either non-existent or unsatisfactory in a quarter of classes.
The teaching of phonics for eight and nine-year-olds who needed it for spelling and writing was either absent or unsatisfactory in almost two-thirds of lessons, said Ofsted.
The report, which examined phonics in 300 schools, said it should be taught 'daily, systematically and rigorously' in the first two years.
Ofsted eh? interfering busy bodies. :shock:
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
What do you mean by "IT"?
one third of school children advancing to high school with little or no skills in reading writing or arithmetic = "IT"
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Then you can rest assured as it simply isnt true.
Thank you, but I shall judge that for my self :thumbup:
I wonder how many 50s and 60s primary aged children learned science, geography, history, RE, DT, PHSE, internet safety as discrete subjects rather than a bit of topic or a nature table, not to mention homework - anybody of a certain age remember homework at primary school, I don't? I am absolutely certain that children today have ICT skills that were never taught in the 50s and 60s.
As to standards, I was the only child from my class to pass the 11+ - I wonder what literacy and numeracy skills the rest of the class had in that case. Oh those halcyon days.
Are children bottomless pits to be filled with 'education' or is there a limit to how much work a child under 11 should have to do? If the government insists that children have to study an ever increasing curriculum then something has to give. At the moment it seems to be childhood.
As to standards, I was the only child from my class to pass the 11+ - I wonder what literacy and numeracy skills the rest of the class had in that case. Oh those halcyon days.
Are children bottomless pits to be filled with 'education' or is there a limit to how much work a child under 11 should have to do? If the government insists that children have to study an ever increasing curriculum then something has to give. At the moment it seems to be childhood.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Then you can rest assured as it simply isnt true.
depends on what you mean is "IT"
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:and have you got proof to your outlandish wild armchair accusations
Quote by northwest-cpl
If the government insists that children have to study an ever increasing curriculum then something has to give. At the moment it seems to be childhood.
Childhood was stolen from our kids decades ago.
And not by the educationalists.
Society itself stole our children's children's childhood.
Our son (now in his mid thirties) was able to roam the streets on his bike unfettered (perhaps we lived in a 'nice neighbourhood!) but I doubt his daughter (1 year old) will ever be allowed to for fear of child abductors, molesters, perverts and the like.
Of course there were perverts in the 50's and 60's (witness Moira Hindley et al) but children were generally allowed to develop throughout their childhood and become 'street wise' with their peers.
And oh, as to the OP, there's nowt wrong with teachers. They make fantastic bed partners :rascal:
Sex God
Quote by northwest-cpl
I wonder how many 50s and 60s primary aged children learned science, geography, history, RE, DT, PHSE, internet safety as discrete subjects rather than a bit of topic or a nature table, not to mention homework - anybody of a certain age remember homework at primary school, I don't? I am absolutely certain that children today have ICT skills that were never taught in the 50s and 60s.
As to standards, I was the only child from my class to pass the 11+ - I wonder what literacy and numeracy skills the rest of the class had in that case. Oh those halcyon days.
Are children bottomless pits to be filled with 'education' or is there a limit to how much work a child under 11 should have to do? If the government insists that children have to study an ever increasing curriculum then something has to give. At the moment it seems to be childhood.
Clearly history was a bit thin in your day too. There was no such thing as ICT in the 50's and 60's cos there was no such thing as computers outside the most high-tech universities. The home computer only came into existance in the mid ot late 80's.
Quote by foxylady2209
I wonder how many 50s and 60s primary aged children learned science, geography, history, RE, DT, PHSE, internet safety as discrete subjects rather than a bit of topic or a nature table, not to mention homework - anybody of a certain age remember homework at primary school, I don't? I am absolutely certain that children today have ICT skills that were never taught in the 50s and 60s.
As to standards, I was the only child from my class to pass the 11+ - I wonder what literacy and numeracy skills the rest of the class had in that case. Oh those halcyon days.
Are children bottomless pits to be filled with 'education' or is there a limit to how much work a child under 11 should have to do? If the government insists that children have to study an ever increasing curriculum then something has to give. At the moment it seems to be childhood.
Clearly history was a bit thin in your day too. There was no such thing as ICT in the 50's and 60's cos there was no such thing as computers outside the most high-tech universities. The home computer only came into existance in the mid ot late 80's.
Actually, the early 80's - the Sinclair ZX80 launched (1980) just in advance of the BBC Micro in 1981.
Boy, those were the days eh?
AKA 'the doorstop'
Quote by foxylady2209
Clearly history was a bit thin in your day too. There was no such thing as ICT in the 50's and 60's cos there was no such thing as computers outside the most high-tech universities. The home computer only came into existance in the mid ot late 80's.
Yes , I know perfectly well there were no home computers until the 80s. My point is, if you moan about lack of standards today you have to take account of the many things that children can do today that children of the 50s and 60s couldn't do. That seems to be ignored in this thread.
Sex God
Quote by northwest-cpl
Clearly history was a bit thin in your day too. There was no such thing as ICT in the 50's and 60's cos there was no such thing as computers outside the most high-tech universities. The home computer only came into existance in the mid ot late 80's.
Yes , I know perfectly well there were no home computers until the 80s. My point is, if you moan about lack of standards today you have to take account of the many things that children can do today that children of the 50s and 60s couldn't do. That seems to be ignored in this thread.
I do not think it has been ignored, IMO, from my point of view the problems are often resulting from lack of basics, If those basics are not in place the advanced stuff suffers
Quote by northwest-cpl
Clearly history was a bit thin in your day too. There was no such thing as ICT in the 50's and 60's cos there was no such thing as computers outside the most high-tech universities. The home computer only came into existance in the mid ot late 80's.
Yes , I know perfectly well there were no home computers until the 80s. My point is, if you moan about lack of standards today you have to take account of the many things that children can do today that children of the 50s and 60s couldn't do. That seems to be ignored in this thread.
I went to a careers event at Manchester Uni in the 60's from school to show what progress was being made in matters computing and to encourage students to follow this path...
I think it might have been a Babbage
It was certainly a punch card machine from memory (no pun intended, as Punch Card machines didn't have much in that way then).
Quote by GnV
I went to a careers event at Manchester Uni in the 60's from school to show what progress was being made in matters computing and to encourage students to follow this path...
I think it might have been a Babbage
It was certainly a punch card machine from memory.
I used a punch tape computer in the 70s. If you made a typo you had to splice the tape. The computer had a room to itself that no one could go into - you handed your tape into reception and a week later a ream of listing paper came back. I think it had the processing power of a calculator. If you were really clever you could make it print a picture of a nude in ones and zeros.
Quote by northwest-cpl
I used a punch tape computer in the 70s. If you made a typo you had to splice the tape. The computer had a room to itself that no one could go into - you handed your tape into reception and a week later a ream of listing paper came back. I think it had the processing power of a calculator. If you were really clever you could make it print a picture of a nude in ones and zeros.
did that, got the T shirt
Quote by Bluefish2009
I do not think it has been ignored, IMO, from my point of view the problems are often resulting from lack of basics, If those basics are not in place the advanced stuff suffers
And my point would be that many children today can actually do the advanced stuff and many children in yesteryear couldn't do the basics. There are many adults that went through the education system in the glory days that are illiterate and have poor numeracy skills. Adult education is not a new phenomenum.
Quote by GnV
I used a punch tape computer in the 70s. If you made a typo you had to splice the tape. The computer had a room to itself that no one could go into - you handed your tape into reception and a week later a ream of listing paper came back. I think it had the processing power of a calculator. If you were really clever you could make it print a picture of a nude in ones and zeros.
did that, got the T shirt
I think being able to print on T shirts came much later. :lol:
Quote by northwest-cpl
I used a punch tape computer in the 70s. If you made a typo you had to splice the tape. The computer had a room to itself that no one could go into - you handed your tape into reception and a week later a ream of listing paper came back. I think it had the processing power of a calculator. If you were really clever you could make it print a picture of a nude in ones and zeros.
did that, got the T shirt
I think being able to print on T shirts came much later. :lol:
Yeah, silk screen printing :lol:
Had a client in later years very much into that.
