With the revelations from the 30 year rule about the 75 Coal Mine list for closure that Maggie always said never existed, but in fact certainly did, should Mrs Thatcher now be officially and legitimately called;
Maggie the Liar ????
John
Maggie the liar
Scargill the liar
Politicians = self centred, power seeking, thieving leeches caring only for their own interests not those they are supposed to represent.
Union Leaders = self centred, power seeking, thieving leeches caring only for their own interests not those they are supposed to represent.
Can't find the reference now dean, but wasn't there a high court case in times past in Birmingham involving dear Arthur and his Vice President diverting charitable union funds without proper authority and the Judge in the case branded Scargill a lier after he was, ahem, found to be somewhat 'economical' with the truth in his evidence...
I apologise unreservedly for calling him a liar without proof, he is a cheat and a thief though.
Thanks Max. Knew I'd seen it somewhere and more recently than I thought.
Ner ner ne nerner my bete noir is worse than your bete noir ... what utter bollocks
why Do Conservatives Lie ?
We are ruled by a cabal of wealthy white middle class men and on the whole always have been. This cabal have no interest in disturbing the status quo . The Tories manoeuvre to further polarize the nation .The labour party make noises to redress the balance but haven't since Michael Foots' leadership even looked like they might enact any policy to do this. There has been a class war fought in this country since the 70's and the Tories have all but won it, parliamentary politics does not offer the working classes a solution to their problems and will not until those in charge are forced to pay attention .The unions offer a solution (yes even now) offering the working classes a means of protest and organising that protest the alternatives would I suggest be far less palatable to our 'rulers'
Thatcher and Scargill are both deeply flawed self serving individuals but so have been many of our greatest leaders .... I would suggest that the best way to judge a politician is look what they're aiming at and not necessarily at whether or not they hit it.
Why do POLITICIANS lie ... because we fail to make it in their best interests not to .. Simple
Oh dear, expecting some degree of social justice really doesn't equate to moaning about the unfairness of the world. I fully agree that people should take responsibility for their lives... I believe (and have done for many years ) that the way they should do this, is to band together and tear down the walls of our Mammon worshipping plutocracy and institute a genuine democracy lead by and for the majority ...I believe in short that the vast majority of people are not greedy ignorant self serving cunts .... Just it would seem those who would rule us
Great ideals but history the world over has shown us that one Dictator is replaced by another, one bad King by another bad King, one corrupt government by another. how can we guarantee that this would not happen again if we did band together and rid ourselves of all our would be leaders ?
I don't like to push my beliefs on anyone, and likewise expect the same. However one factor here is blindingly obvious, no matter what your political opinion.
This is still a democracy in name, and therefore we all have a right to say who should be in power. 45.5 million people had the chance to change politics in this country at the last election, and around 55% used their voice.
If the remaining 45% used their vote then the country and it's politics might look vastly different.
It is my belief the reason that politicians of all parties are economical with the truth is because our cynical population has allowed them the comfort and grace to do so.
Again I agree with you, but what is the solution, we are never going to get the other 45% to vote, most are sick of finding that whoever they vote for the same happens, one party borrow and we pay vast amounts in interest payments to the world bank the other get in power and cannot improve things because they are spending all the money getting rid of the old debt, all of them lie and spend more time thinking about policies that suit them and not enough about solutions, even when they have good ideas they are too scared to put them forward if they are radical.
At last we are doing something about our crazy immigration policy but nowhere near enough, we are still being ridden doggy style by the EU dictators, we are still the dumping ground for the worlds trash.
It is a shame we cannot ban all parties and have independent MP's who might vote for policies they believe in instead of being forced to tow the party line, but even if they were all independents some would still band together in their own interests.
I have over time admired a few who have stood up to the party whip and voted with their beliefs and concious but for the most party they do tow the party line, especially when speaking in public, I have admired those that have left a party and joined another but support the belief that at that time they should also resign as an MP and stand again since many are elected by their constituents for their party membership not their personal policies, I think it is better to elect them for their personal policies but if they were then they will be re-elected. No matter what you think of Maggie it was wrong for her party to depose her as Prime Minister without declaring an election, the people voted her to be our Prime Minister and the people should have the choice to decide on the PMs replacement not the reigning party. Many voted for the tories because she was the leader.
Why not look around at what recent immigrants to this country have achieved in the last ten years. No one moaning about this or that government or expecting anything special. As a nation, we are world class at moaning how unfair life/society/government is and whilst we are moaning others look around and take advantage of the many and great opportunities that are available in this country - if you are prepared to knuckle down and get on with it. Many locals, it seems, would rather complain about the pitiful state of our society rather than getting on and making the most of opportunity.
Ah well, two years time we will probably have a lib/lab coalition government and the right wingers will still be moaning about Europe, the Greens will still be moaning about fracking, HS2 will be scrapped and the government will once again become bigger in line with the letter leaning principles of socialism.
I have always been a supporter of immigration, I think I mentioned this in an earlier post on this thread, immigration has brought us invention and prosperity throughout our history, without immigrants Britain would have fallen far behind the rest of the world in commerce, trade and industry back in the 17th century let alone the 18th and 19th.
But like many other Nations I believe in controlled immigration, it should not be about "what can we do for you" it should be "what can we do together by allowing you to reside and work here".
Immigration has nothing whatsoever to do with Asylum, if someone has a genuine needs for asylum we should help them, if they arrive here from a Country where they will be imprisoned without trial, tortured, murdered then we should help them, if they arrive here from (for example) France, they do not need political asylum, France will not kill them or torture them (except perhaps with their feeling of self importance), therefore they are just another person wanting to migrate here.
