The former self confessed IRA member Martin McGuinness is standing for the post of Prime Minister of Ireland (Southern), if elected (and he has a good chance) will Britain take the same course over having a former terrorist and member of a terrorist organization leading a Country as it did over Libya, Iraq and many other Countries around the World.
Will we invade Ireland ?
Will we ask the United Nations to provide aircraft to carry out bombing missions in Ireland ?
If not, why not ? what makes it ok for one Country to be led by a terrorist or by someone the UN, UK or USA deem to be "unfit for office" or a "threat to world or national security" ?
Personally I believe that the UK owes a great debt to the people of Ireland who have fought beside us in every war we have ever fought, but I do wonder what the consequences of his election might be and what this country should and will do about it.
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The former self confessed IRA member Martin McGuinness is standing for the post of Prime Minister of Ireland (Southern) snip...
As I read it, he is hopeful of standing for the Office of President of Ireland (Eire), not Prime Minister and no, I doubt he will be elected as such. He doesn't yet have the required 20 members of the Oireachtas in order to stand.
More likely is Gerry Adams running for the Presidency in 2016. MM is just a sprat to catch a mackerel.
Martin McGuinness to run for Irish presidency
Sinn Féin to announce deputy first minister of Northern Ireland and former IRA chief of staff Martin McGuinness' bid to become head of state in Irish Republic
Does the title make a lot of difference ? Head of state by any name (Prime Minister, President, Fuhrer, Dictator) will he or will he not be able to influence the actions of the Irish Parliament ?
Will his position if elected allow him to continue his war on the United Kingdom ?
Sinn Féin to announce deputy first minister of Northern Ireland and former IRA chief of staff Martin McGuinness' bid to become head of state in Irish Republic
Does the title make a lot of difference ? Head of state by any name (Prime Minister, President, Fuhrer, Dictator) will he or will he not be able to influence the actions of the Irish Parliament ?
Will his position if elected allow him to continue his war on the United Kingdom ?
Sex God
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The former self confessed IRA member Martin McGuinness is standing for the post of Prime Minister of Ireland (Southern) snip...
As I read it, he is standing for the Office of President of Ireland (Eire), not Prime Minister.
I've never really been clear on the difference here - although I know Russia has both and the President is higher than the PM. Either way, they are short-term (or should be) positions held by politicians.
The fact that a person is a known terrorist doesn't make them necessarily a worse person (or leader) than someone who isn't actually known to be an active terrorist. I doubt I would trust them any less than I trust the 'right honourables' we have in our 2 Houses.
I've never really been clear on the difference here - although I know Russia has both and the President is higher than the PM. Either way, they are short-term (or should be) positions held by politicians.
The fact that a person is a known terrorist doesn't make them necessarily a worse person (or leader) than someone who isn't actually known to be an active terrorist. I doubt I would trust them any less than I trust the 'right honourables' we have in our 2 Houses.
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Your right of course, none can be trusted on face value, most cannot be trusted after thier actions have become known, but I refer to my original questions ..... what will be done about it ? what should be done about it ? should anything be done about it ? why sometimes like invading Iraq and Libya and why not at other times ?
Most of us won't know the answer to my questions because that is for the "powers that be to decide" and no matter what we say they will do as they see fit, but my thread was simply post "food for thought"
The fact that a person is a known terrorist doesn't make them necessarily a worse person (or leader) than someone who isn't actually known to be an active terrorist. I doubt I would trust them any less than I trust the 'right honourables' we have in our 2 Houses.
snip .......
Your right of course, none can be trusted on face value, most cannot be trusted after thier actions have become known, but I refer to my original questions ..... what will be done about it ? what should be done about it ? should anything be done about it ? why sometimes like invading Iraq and Libya and why not at other times ?
Most of us won't know the answer to my questions because that is for the "powers that be to decide" and no matter what we say they will do as they see fit, but my thread was simply post "food for thought"
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I've never really been clear on the difference here - although I know Russia has both and the President is higher than the PM. Either way, they are short-term (or should be) positions held by politicians.
The fact that a person is a known terrorist doesn't make them necessarily a worse person (or leader) than someone who isn't actually known to be an active terrorist. I doubt I would trust them any less than I trust the 'right honourables' we have in our 2 Houses.
Honourables (MP's ordinaire) and Right Honourables (Privy Councillors) are Members of the Commons, 'Noble Lord' is the title given in the upper house.
Sorry to be pedantic but it doesn't change the basic tenor of what you are trying to say.
The President appoints the PM and approves appointments to the rest of Cabinet. Dependant upon the political mix of the Houses, such appointments are approached with care...
wll...Nelson Mandela is a hero where ever he goes ....yest he was jailed orginally for terrorist offences. Its just that we feel there the cause he was fighting was just !! It does seem people can be a terorist one day and a politician the next.
To be honest, if he now truely believes in the ballot box, and it keeps the peace in Ireland, then I for one would not make an issue of it.
To be honest, if he now truely believes in the ballot box, and it keeps the peace in Ireland, then I for one would not make an issue of it.
dean is of course right.
Nissan Maindealer was an enemy of the SA State and now hailed as a hero in our time.
The jury is still out as to whether such acclaim is just in the case of MM, GA and Irish freedom.
But one thing is absolutely certain; Eire has properly run elections and the British Government will do well to steer way clear of any interference from Westminster or north of the Border.
Nissan Maindealer was an enemy of the SA State and now hailed as a hero in our time.
The jury is still out as to whether such acclaim is just in the case of MM, GA and Irish freedom.
But one thing is absolutely certain; Eire has properly run elections and the British Government will do well to steer way clear of any interference from Westminster or north of the Border.
Sex God
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wll...Nelson Mandela is a hero where ever he goes ....yest he was jailed orginally for terrorist offences. Its just that we feel there the cause he was fighting was just !! It does seem people can be a terorist one day and a politician the next.
To be honest, if he now truely believes in the ballot box, and it keeps the peace in Ireland, then I for one would not make an issue of it.
This is a fantastic point, well made.
We say we will never negotiate with terrorist's, but in my view it is the only way to make headway to piece, where ever you may be in the world.
Sex God
There are many, many instances of "Terrorists" going on to lead a Country and then become "Allies" of the Country they were terrorising against. Most notably, Israel, the activities of the Stern Gang against the British in 1945 / 1946 were very similar to the PIRA 30 years later. Yet members of the Stern Gang went on to be high officals in Israel.
Robert Mugabe, not so well liked now, but back in the day he was a "freedom fighter" well liked by many people in the West.
Still, be nice to see McGuinness sorting out Irelands financial problems without borrowing any dosh from the hated Brits !! A case of "be carefull what you wish for, it might just come true !!"
John
Robert Mugabe, not so well liked now, but back in the day he was a "freedom fighter" well liked by many people in the West.
Still, be nice to see McGuinness sorting out Irelands financial problems without borrowing any dosh from the hated Brits !! A case of "be carefull what you wish for, it might just come true !!"
John
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but in my view it is the only way to make headway to piece, where ever you may be in the world.
unless of course you had a friend/ brother/sister /mother etc, who was blown to pieces by one of McGuinness's bombs, of which there are many.
always easy to make asumptions when you have not been directly involved with the ira's killing spree.
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but in my view it is the only way to make headway to piece, where ever you may be in the world.
unless of course you had a friend/ brother/sister /mother etc, who was blown to pieces by one of McGuinness's bombs, of which there are many.
always easy to make asumptions when you have not been directly involved with the ira's killing spree.
I too believe that the price of peace is expensive, but not too expensive in this case, since the ceasefire countless thousands of lives have been saved, were we right to give amnesty to protestant and catholic terrorists who were responsible for the murder of those people, perhaps you are right and the friends, brothers, sisters, mothers etc might not think so, but I am sure that the friends, brothers and sisters of those that have been spared, those that would have been maimed and killed, those that would have suffered might think it was worth the price, of course these are "what might have been" and we will never know how many or who those victims would have been.
I served for 2 and a half years in Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles, my eldest daughter was born in the Altnagelvin Hospital, Londonderry during one of my many tours of the province, yes I lost friends, I watched them die and I saw them maimed for life, I saw innocents and activists alike suffer at the hands of those we granted amnesty. people like Martin McGuinness, I ponder now when I see that some still want members of my Regiment prosecuted over alledged offences on Bloody Sunday whilst accepting freedom and forgiveness for thier own crimes.
But when I take the benefits into consideration I have to agree that if that is what it takes to save the future then so be it, no matter how much it hurts the alternative could hurt more.
Sex God
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but in my view it is the only way to make headway to piece, where ever you may be in the world.
unless of course you had a friend/ brother/sister /mother etc, who was blown to pieces by one of McGuinness's bombs, of which there are many.
always easy to make asumptions when you have not been directly involved with the ira's killing spree.
I have not made any asumptions, I have stated what I believe to be correct.
Sex God
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I don`t think that the Government will get involved in the politics of whether Mcguiness gets elected or not........there`s no oil in Ireland......therefore nothing to be gained unlike Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc.....
There is Guinness.
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but in my view it is the only way to make headway to piece, where ever you may be in the world.
unless of course you had a friend/ brother/sister /mother etc, who was blown to pieces by one of McGuinness's bombs, of which there are many.
always easy to make asumptions when you have not been directly involved with the ira's killing spree.
AKAIK, McGuinness was not a bomb maker, he preferred kneecapping people to make them suffer. Blowing people to bits was way too easy.
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but in my view it is the only way to make headway to piece, where ever you may be in the world.
unless of course you had a friend/ brother/sister /mother etc, who was blown to pieces by one of McGuinness's bombs, of which there are many.
always easy to make asumptions when you have not been directly involved with the ira's killing spree.
AKAIK, McGuinness was not a bomb maker, he preferred kneecapping people to make them suffer. Blowing people to bits was way too easy.
History demonstrates that a line has to be drawn and politically peace has to move on. Either those directly involved with the killing or victims of the killing have to accept it and move on otherwise it will go around and around in an orgy of revenge.
Will the victims ever get over it? Very doubtful, but governments cannot hold back peace for the few that can't forgive or forget.
Thats how I see it works..........I may not agree with it but I can't see any other solution
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AKAIK, McGuinness was not a bomb maker, he preferred kneecapping people to make them suffer. Blowing people to bits was way too easy.
McGuinees indeed did not make bombs, that is thier bomb (technical departments) job, he did not to our knowledge plant bombs, but as Commander of the North Belfast Brigade and member of the Council he did decide which targets those bombs were to be used against, he did order knee cappings (an internal punishment used by PIRA against those they thought were not doing as ordered or assisting the enemy or dealing in drugs) he did order killings and these are facts to which he admits.
Adolf Hitler never killed a single jew with his own hands .........
AKAIK, McGuinness was not a bomb maker, he preferred kneecapping people to make them suffer. Blowing people to bits was way too easy.
McGuinees indeed did not make bombs, that is thier bomb (technical departments) job, he did not to our knowledge plant bombs, but as Commander of the North Belfast Brigade and member of the Council he did decide which targets those bombs were to be used against, he did order knee cappings (an internal punishment used by PIRA against those they thought were not doing as ordered or assisting the enemy or dealing in drugs) he did order killings and these are facts to which he admits.
Adolf Hitler never killed a single jew with his own hands .........
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I don`t think that the Government will get involved in the politics of whether Mcguiness gets elected or not........there`s no oil in Ireland......therefore nothing to be gained unlike Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc.....
And thank our lucky stars that our governments realise the importantance of oil
Oil can bring a Country wealth, history has shown us that most countries suddenly benefitting from the vast amounts of money to be gained by finding oil has been spent extensively on munitions and weapons of war.
If countries that don't have vast amounts of oil reserves cannot buy it the country will die, or at the very least reverse to the days before machinery.
without oil schools cannot heat classrooms and cannot open
without oil factories cannot power machinery
without oil trucks cannot deliver goods to shops
without oil hospitals wouldrevert to how they were before the industrial revolution
without oil tractors cannot move, harvesters cannot reap.
would that affect you in any way ?
It is important that the world without oil ensure that the world with it make it available to them, unfortunately this comes at a high price in more ways than one
