Black/White social – Chams, Feb Friday 13th

8 Jan 2009

Quote by Mememe20065
Hey
This is a black/white meet.
Can we lighten the whole thing up?
If you are a black man who would like to meet white women, or a white woman/couple who is looking for fun with a black man, then sign up for the party!!!!!!

well said mememe xxxx

8 Jan 2009

and no offence.... i was going to put my name down for one of these, but after seeing what has happened here there is absolutely no way I am going to.....
sorry ahabs mate... I know you.... and I know jiggle, in fact, known him for years....
in the event has social in the title... isn't Socialising one of those things... and unless you are now hiring chams for the event on that night, how you going to stop others from outside that little group from attending????
I will be sticking to munches and proper "socials" for the foreseeable future...

9 Jan 2009

But that's exactly the point Fabio,
The venue itself is NOT exclusive for this social,ie, anyone that finds themselves at Chams on the night irrespective of anything going on or social holding does so off their own back (Lord knows I've bumped into people who happened to be there on the night and got chatting) - THIS thread was intended for anyone that wished to go on THIS guestlist as part of THIS social supporting the theme of THIS room, as opposed to just lookign for 'any guestlist going' to get into Chams on the night, which it could be construed as.
Like I said before, I wouldn't put my name down for a social that the organising group did not appeal to me -it makes no sense. I really don't see what the problem is.
And, no offence, people concluding "Well we wont be attending anymore of this room socials" on the basis of this I feel can be likened to being held to ransom "You WILL accept us on YOUR guest list (even though we have NO interest in who you are or what you do whatsoever) otherwise we shall think less of you!".

9 Jan 2009

Quote by Ahabs
But that's exactly the point Fabio,
The venue itself is NOT exclusive for this social,ie, anyone that finds themselves at Chams on the night irrespective of anything going on or social holding does so off their own back (Lord knows I've bumped into people who happened to be there on the night and got chatting) - THIS thread was intended for anyone that wished to go on THIS guestlist as part of THIS social supporting the theme of THIS room, as opposed to just lookign for 'any guestlist going' to get into Chams on the night, which it could be construed as.
Like I said before, I wouldn't put my name down for a social that the organising group did not appeal to me -it makes no sense. I really don't see what the problem is.
And, no offence, people concluding "Well we wont be attending anymore of this room socials" on the basis of this I feel can be likened to being held to ransom "You WILL accept us on YOUR guest list (even though we have NO interest in who you are or what you do whatsoever) otherwise we shall think less of you!".

Actually no ahabs... there are other reasons that I have been quite vocal about, you could call this the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.....
I thought SH and its chatrooms were about being all inclusive.... apparently I am wrong
As you have said, Chams is going to be busy on a friday evening.... I bet there are going to be loads of people who will have never heard of SH or this "social" and will turn up regardless... heaven forbid white males :shock: :shock:
you may find it strange that people will want to support a social regardless of whether they fitted in or not, I have been here 4 yrs is and the SH I know, or should that be the SH I knew was always bloody good at doing that! whether it was a social in glasgow, in plymouth, in kent or anywhere else people would go!!.... heck I know someone who travelled up from london to leeds a few months ago... wink

if people want to be judgemental..... then it is a sad day for SH, and the site, or rather the people on the site, have turned it from something I loved into something I don't recognise anymore.....

9 Jan 2009

Yes, I remember that fellow that travelled all the way from London to Leeds. If memory serves me right, he was attending a BBW Social which he DOES support the BBW theme? It would be strange if BBW's didn't float his boat as I'd wonder what he was hoping to accomplish. As ginger-jo and several girls from the BBW room would say "If BBW's not your thing, walk on by".
Anyway to summarise, I feel preferences should be maintained, you feel preferences don't matter. We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm sorry if I sound sarcastic here, but does it make sense that I put my name down for every "Couples and single fem only" social (as a single male) and simply say "Am going for the social side".
Or even the BBW social in Southampton due, couples and single fems only, lets not forget the "lesbians for lesbians" party.
Whatever happened to "people have preferences, please respect them". I really don't see the big deal in "If you're not into interracial, in this case, fems for black guys, then the guestlist for this social ma not be right for you".

9 Jan 2009

Brightongirl0, you've been added, but you already knew that. lol
OK, this is going to be my last reply to any negative comments about this thread. I'm getting bored with it and frankly life's too short.
hell1970, when Jiggle initially replied, I had no idea who he was. That was why I looked at his profile before I posted my reply.
Witty xxxx, see my previous comment.
Dawnie, sadly I have to acknowledge your input. When you have to resort to counting posts, I think it highlights how pathetic this has become. Dawnie, I live in London and was a regular at Chameleons for a few years. There are enough people out there who know I'm genuine. My low rating in the "number of posts" count does not cause me any sleepless nights.
scorpiolady1, get ya baps out! biggrin

thevillians & foxylady, just like Brightongirl0, your names were already down. :P
two-4-more, Ian's acceptance had nothing to do with him being an op as such. Ian is a regular in the room, and from the way some "room regulars" greet him, that was enough for me to add him to the list. Ask Jiggle how many times he's been in the room. I'm sure you can justify your comment about neither being Bi. I'm struggling to find the relevance.
Capt Ahabs, thank you for your input and advice. I had a lot of respect for you before, for the socials you had organised. I've learnt my lesson and will leave it to the "grown ups" in future. smile

Jiggle, thank you for your comments. And I too would like to apologise for any misunderstandings.
fabio, thank you for your input ............ I think. So, are you saying you've never met me? Read what I've written so far Fabio, especially this part, "Chameleons is open as usual so anyone who wants to attend is free to do so. But, if you are not currently a member of the club and you wish to attend as part of the social I am trying to organise, you will need to be verified. If the ops have a problem with that, then so be it."
To anyone like myself who is totally bored with this, please accept my sincere apologies.
This was a genuine attempt on my part to organise my first ever social. You’ll all be pleased to know it will also be my last. lol

9 Jan 2009

the relevance of neither ian or jiggle being bi to me is blatantly obvious... You have said you only want people who are interested in black men to attend, therefore as neither is bi then neither should be on your list as surely they are both only interested in women and not men of any variety!

9 Jan 2009

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9 Jan 2009

Quote by two-4-more
the relevance of neither ian or jiggle being bi to me is blatantly obvious... You have said you only want people who are interested in black men to attend, therefore as neither is bi then neither should be on your list as surely they are both only interested in women and not men of any variety!

If I may,...
Since when did the subject of being BI suddenly become the deciding factor? If I've read that right, that could suggest that the men tat wish to attend the social are themselves bi, and clearly, that is not the case.
Again, (maybe this needs clarification), the blackguys4fems room (sometimes called the Fems4blackguys room) is built on the PREFERENCE of women who enjoy the company of black men, so it makes sense for "one or two" black men to be there. With that, the social is an opportunity to get those names and faces together - 3 of such socials were held last year, 4 the year before. It was never a problem then.
As for "white guys going to the room", no one polices who may and may not go into whatever room, that is personal choice so long as once there,they respect the people they find there. On a few occasions I've seen people with ZERO interest in BBW's go into the BBW room for the sole purpose of hurling "fat" insults - they were summarily kicked and reported.
No one is saying "oh, if you're not a black guy or like black guys you can't go to Chams", but merely "its a bit hard to understand WHY anyone with NO interest in the theme of the room would want to join THIS guestlist on THIS particular evening for THIS social. IF you happen to be there and find people there, that's a different matter.
As far as this "debate" is concerned, at this point I have no choice but sadly to see it as some people choosing to accept the "preference" argument when it suits their purpose, and otherwise throw toys out of the pram when it doesn't, hence challenging others to DROP their preference. Sad day it would be if that was the case.
Lawr, no one is going to think less of you whatever decision you take, you've voluntarily chosen to organise a social - those in support will continue to support. I for one can't see a problem
PS: Put my name down ;)

9 Jan 2009

Aren't we missing the basic point - this site is for funding fun - each persons fun is different - ours is black/white fun - if yours isn't don't come!
We enjoy a black man fucking Mrs Domino (who is very white) and Mr Domino enjoys watching - hence we both will be going.
Lawr - we fully understand your decision to never to organise a social again given that this event should have been very simple to organise but has been pointlessly complicated. Lets just have fun folks!

9 Jan 2009

Ahabs, thanks again, you've been added.
domino_2, thanks for your input.

9 Jan 2009

the point i am trying to make is a simple one... If the meet is only for those people who have a preferance of meeting black guys then surely the only people who should be attending are: -
A) females who like black guys
B) couples where either the lady or male has a preferance for black guys
C)male's who have a preferance for black guys.
Therefore on that criterior neither jiggle or ian should be on the list.
Cant have one rule for one and another for everyone else. Would be like organising something for guys only then letting a woman come and telling a different woman that she can't.

9 Jan 2009

two-4-more - there is NO NEED FOR CRITERIA - we thought this was one area of life left where the politically correct weren't running the place!

9 Jan 2009

Think you will find we weren't setting a criteria just merely re-iterating what lawr has stated is the target for this meet, and so his own criteria he says it clearly in his reasoning for questioning whether jiggle should attend. Page 1 i believe its on :giggle:

9 Jan 2009

surely the issue of whether jiggle should attend is up to jiggle and lawr - not you two-4-more or us for that matter. so lets stop this arguement

9 Jan 2009

law its too cold to get me baps out ill freeze me nips off lol i think this is now getting out of hand lighten up everyone

9 Jan 2009

Quote by Ahabs
I really can't see what the problem is here - unless ofcourse it suggests Lawr (who is a known REGULAR member of the BlackGuys4Fems room for several years, irrespective of his number of posts) hence has to make the social open to ALL of SH, irrespective of what theme or preference or reason the people attending want to come .. but it would make for a darn cheap way to get into Chams without membership for a fair few.

See now that makes so much more sense to me and I am happy to admit it was something I hadn't given a thought to, thank you Ahabs :thumbup:
Maybe a comment along the lines of 'pop into the B 4 W room and have a chat so we can get to know you' would have been a little nicer way of approching the situation but anyway, have a great evening :grin:

9 Jan 2009

Quote by scorpiolady1
law its too cold to get me baps out ill freeze me nips off lol i think this is now getting out of hand lighten up everyone

Yeah lighten up, its never too cold to get your baps out :giggle:

9 Jan 2009

Quote by Ahabs
but it would make for a darn cheap way to get into Chams without membership for a fair few.

But the prices shown on page one of this thread are the normal prices dunno

9 Jan 2009

Hiya Ian
I'm guessing (sure I'll be rightly corrected if I'm wrong) Ahab is saying; non-members can attend without having to pay a membership fee. I was a member for a few years and had to pay a yearly membership. Again, I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. The yearly membership only applies to single guys.
And before anyone takes this the wrong way. I had no issue with having to pay the membership fee. I valued my membership and kept it up-to-date. lol

9 Jan 2009

Hi,
We are a genuine but busy couple so don't get much time to go online..we have been to Cham's a few timees now and really enjoyed it...I an really into the group sex thing with groups a black guys.
Could do with knowing a better B&B near there as well. e syaed at the green room..turned out to be a gay club!
Love
Tania

9 Jan 2009

Quote by Ian
but it would make for a darn cheap way to get into Chams without membership for a fair few.

But the prices shown on page one of this thread are the normal prices dunno

In which case (as I still haven't memorised the whatever differences in entry prices between members and guest-listed entry) I'm at a loss - you wouldn't findme kicking up a fuss bout not being able to attend a "couples only" social.
Either way, may I suggest anyone wishing to discuss/debate what right the black4white room has in who goes on the guestlist do so on Cafe forum and leave this thread be for its intended purposes... ie, the guestlist??

10 Jan 2009

Hi Guys, base in Watford but distance is no problem!
can i come?
taz
:taz:

10 Jan 2009

I've just been accosted over the phone as to "How discriminatory this whole concept is!" (good thing I just happened to be lying there awake contemplating my navel), so I've started a discussion thread on the link:
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/290294.html
ALL contributors welcome to input and debate THERE (not HERE!)

10 Jan 2009

Right glad thats sorted now Thank -you xxx can we come and have some fun please, we would like to bring our black fuck buddie too thanx cockys xxxxx

10 Jan 2009

tazbabes most ppl stay at the travel lodge walsall apparently at the moment they are £19 a room

10 Jan 2009

Lawr, , bless ya ! Tryin to do a good turn and still get urself in trbl lol
Just found this thread and if i'd seen it sooner I would've had a word, jiggle is a good pal of ours 's a really nice unassuming young chap who goes out of his way to be nice to everyone.
We are going on the 12th but will you put us on the list and we will do our best to come on the 13th too ( babysitter pending _)
luv Trace xx

11 Jan 2009

hya lawr
would like to be added to the social if thats ok!!!!
promise to behave lol!!!!
Tony

11 Jan 2009

Quote by welikesinglemen
Lawr, , bless ya ! Tryin to do a good turn and still get urself in trbl lol
Just found this thread and if i'd seen it sooner I would've had a word, jiggle is a good pal of ours 's a really nice unassuming young chap who goes out of his way to be nice to everyone.
We are going on the 12th but will you put us on the list and we will do our best to come on the 13th too ( babysitter pending _)
luv Trace xx

Alas welikes, you should read the discussion in Cafe: "Preference vs Discrimination". Perhaps next time someone puts up a "Couples and single fems social" gguestlist, I should try to put my name on there - and if i face difficulty, I reply back with "but am genuine and just want to socialise" and refer them to this discussion in a bid to try to back the organiser into a corner, admit they're discriminating on basis of gender (single male) and hopefully force their hand to accept me.
Personally, I haven't known jiggle for very long, but from what I know of him I don't actually have a problem with him personally - I however find it borderline disgusting that people are trying to dictate that Lawr should ignore and abandon preference and hence tell him who may and may not go on the list.
As the person that phoned me to have a go at me at 5am said "But he's genuine, goes to other socials and lives in Birmingham anyway", to which I replied "Well, I guess that means EVERY person (couple/female/male, preference aside) that goes to socials and lives in birmingham can go on this particular guestlist then, and Lawr has no choice in the matter but to put their names down".

11 Jan 2009

tazbabes, I see "Scorps", scorpiolady1 has answered your question. If my memory serves me right, the green room and Chameleons have a lot in common. lol And if you were only staying there, it should not have been a problem.
tazman, I've sent you an e-mail.
Capt Ahabs, thanks yet again. lol
Cockslut, no problem.
"Dimples", serves me right for trying to do a good deed. I doubt your "word" would have been any good tho. lol
tony9, you've been added.