New Law Preventing Discrimination Swinging Clubs

21 Oct 2010

I've read through quite a lot of the new legislation and it covers a wide spectrum of services and venues which does include swinging clubs. It would also cover privately organised parties (of over 25 people) that charge admission and have a vetting process to get into ( which currently seem to be springing up across the country).
It does state that you can give different consideration and presumably costing to under represented protected groups:- in the case of swinging clubs this could be used to keep single female prices down. This would be allowed if the club can prove by records or collected data that they are offering these benefits to try to re-dressed the balance of members i.e single males to single females.
Places can continute to offer specific services i.e couples only nights if they can prove it is a service their existing and possible future members have a need for.
The issue about single guys is a very double edged sword that only a few disgruntled males might persue on an equality level. After all I would say that at least 65 -70% of so called single males are not actually single in the eyes of the law, whether that be married, engaged, co-habitating or in a relationship. You've only got to look around profiles on here and other sites or on ring fingers in clubs to know that.
Having all this in consideration you have to take the law in context as it's meant i.e some gyms offer ladies special rates and ladies only times. Chemists offering specific groups free high bloody pressure or chloresterol test. I cant imagine these things being taken through the courts for lack of eqaulity as they have been around for years now.

22 Oct 2010

Quote by Geordiecpl2001
Robbie....I would say no again...by allowing a male and female in together.....the owner is keeping the ratio okay. Normal nighclubs already do this now. Ask any doorman....all clubs have a policy. It may be unoffical, but everyone knows it exists. What the club can not do would be to charge differant.

Would appear that i have failed to understand the new law
"The Equality Act 2010 requires private members’ clubs to act in a non-discriminatory means that clubs will no longer be able to restrict access to activities or benefits, or apply different conditions and fees for membership on the basis of any of the protected characteristics. In addition, the Government is considering how the part of the Act providing additional protection from age discrimination can be implemented in the best way for business, and will make an announcement in due course."
Restrict access is not allowing them in as well as charging all the same price.
So denying access on the grounds (your single) is discriminatory.
The law only applies to private members clubs.
(A private club is an organisation with 25 or more members whose membership is controlled by rules involving a selection process.),
So really shouldnt affect swingers clubs anyway.
Being 'single' is not a 'protected characteristic'Robbo so it would not be unlawfully discriminatory to deny access on those grounds. As long as Deans ratios were adhered to clubs would be acting within the law. And just to reiterate an earlier point, I believe clubs could charge couples whatever they wanted against what they charged single males and females. In the same way that you can buy family tickets for other entertainment you could have a combined price for a club. It would not be unlawfully discriminatory as being single is not a protected characteristic.
It is my understanding that swingers clubs are predominantly private clubs with a controlled membership etc.
If the red bit above is true then why not charge ANY singles, male or female, the higher price which currently pertains to single guys. Couples prices stay as they are.
However, whenever a single female arrives she is notionally "coupled" with a single guy and they then get charged a couples rate.
IE, if at a club couples are charged 20 quid to get in. Joe is first single guy in, he pays 50 quid to get in, 5 more single guys arrive who each pay 50 quid, then Anne arrives, she is charged half the couples entry fee and then Joe gets a refund of 40 quid. Making his entry 10 quid same as Anne.
So therefore the discrimination is about being single (not protected) rather than gender and the club sees little or no difference in revenue.
John
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22 Oct 2010

Quote by annie_19704
I've read through quite a lot of the new legislation and it covers a wide spectrum of services and venues which does include swinging clubs. It would also cover privately organised parties (of over 25 people) that charge admission and have a vetting process to get into ( which currently seem to be springing up across the country).
It does state that you can give different consideration and presumably costing to under represented protected groups:- in the case of swinging clubs this could be used to keep single female prices down. This would be allowed if the club can prove by records or collected data that they are offering these benefits to try to re-dressed the balance of members i.e single males to single females.
Places can continute to offer specific services i.e couples only nights if they can prove it is a service their existing and possible future members have a need for.
The issue about single guys is a very double edged sword that only a few disgruntled males might persue on an equality level. After all I would say that at least 65 -70% of so called single males are not actually single in the eyes of the law, whether that be married, engaged, co-habitating or in a relationship. You've only got to look around profiles on here and other sites or on ring fingers in clubs to know that.
Having all this in consideration you have to take the law in context as it's meant i.e some gyms offer ladies special rates and ladies only times. Chemists offering specific groups free high bloody pressure or chloresterol test. I cant imagine these things being taken through the courts for lack of eqaulity as they have been around for years now.

I'm getting high bloody pressure reading some of these posts! banghead

22 Oct 2010

Quote by annie_19704
I've read through quite a lot of the new legislation and it covers a wide spectrum of services and venues which does include swinging clubs. It would also cover privately organised parties (of over 25 people) that charge admission and have a vetting process to get into ( which currently seem to be springing up across the country).
It does state that you can give different consideration and presumably costing to under represented protected groups:- in the case of swinging clubs this could be used to keep single female prices down. This would be allowed if the club can prove by records or collected data that they are offering these benefits to try to re-dressed the balance of members i.e single males to single females.
Places can continute to offer specific services i.e couples only nights if they can prove it is a service their existing and possible future members have a need for.
The issue about single guys is a very double edged sword that only a few disgruntled males might persue on an equality level. After all I would say that at least 65 -70% of so called single males are not actually single in the eyes of the law, whether that be married, engaged, co-habitating or in a relationship. You've only got to look around profiles on here and other sites or on ring fingers in clubs to know that.
Having all this in consideration you have to take the law in context as it's meant i.e some gyms offer ladies special rates and ladies only times. Chemists offering specific groups free high bloody pressure or chloresterol test. I cant imagine these things being taken through the courts for lack of eqaulity as they have been around for years now.

Well all this seems fair enough to me. Plenty of loop holes there for swinging clubs to be just fine and dandy

25 Oct 2010

oh for the days when clubs were all illegal. this sceen was fun then clandetine dark doorways where you had to know who to ask for to get in dark smokey basements, different venues every month ,the fear of getting raided. reading the news of the world on sunday to see who was exsposed this week
now its all clean and half the funs gone its all rules and regs laws and lawers people talking about sueing each other
this nwill result in singles getting even less club space as clubs will make it couples only membership, singles as guests for which there will be a charge

25 Oct 2010

6 Jul 2011

UPDATE
OK, after trawling through the Equality and Human Rights Commission web site I decided to bite the bullet and ring them, after a some what embarrassing phone call regarding the nature of the 'Club' this is how it works:
A members club is a club where you are nominated and have to sit before a board to become a member. Not many meet this description.
All other clubs are there for classed as Service Providers.
As such if the services being offered by the 'Club' are available to all then there can be no difference in 'membership fee'.
However, you can offer an 'Introductory offer' for a 'limited time only' to those genders or races that you feel may not be well represented.
e.g. 3months at a reduced rate.
If you think about it ladies can no longer go into a night club free of charge while men are charged. its the same.

6 Jul 2011

Trouble is how many single males are going to take legal action against swinging clubs with regards to sexual discrimination, very few I should imagine.