If this is in the wrong forum, would a mod pleas move it to the correct one, as i could not decide where it should be myself and this seems to be the best one.
The UK Equality Act 2010 will become law on October the 1st 2010, this makes it illegal to charge different prices for services or entrance fees to peoplae based on gender or any other criteria.
This means that if i have read it correctly, swinger clubs can no longer legally charge single males a higher entry fee than they would do so for a couple or single woman
(I know and understand the reasons this is common practice at the moment) am just asking for others views on this
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I can certainly understand why clubs do that, we can debate the rights/wrongs of that but it's just symantics in the end and it is discrimation purely on the basis of gender so I think it's right that the loophole should be closed.
oh....I think this should be moved to the cafe......yes just read all through this....it is very clear.....if you are a private members club, you can not discriminate against someone on grounds of colour, sex, or disability. This is quite clear and leaves no grounds for doing otherswise.
Clubs best take careful note of this.....as the fines for breaking this law it seems can run into thousands.
I think clubs do it, to limit the number of single males and increase the number of single females. If they have to adjust their pricing structure, they'll just place limits on the numbers of single men they allow in and get around it that way.
I think they'll have to do more in terms of making their facilities accessible to disabled people too.
HandS.....as it stands...it is all as before for that club social.
Its the clubs basically that have to watch and amend......think before long we will see a club taken to task.....and then they will all fall into line.
as will every other swinging club in the country..freckle...
I have asjked the club concerned..and they inform me, that they are watching what other clubs are doing, and don't have any intention of changing pricing at this stage.
As said before...I think it will take one club being taken to court..and made to change prices, and then we will see the snowball effect across the country. !!!
The act is quite clear, in that ANY activity with ANY charges must not discriminate. It makes no difference, if you call it a social, party, members club or a hoe-down. It should also me noted that in instances of a semi-private function ie. Someone organises a social in a night club, where discriminatory charges are made, then both the organiser AND the nightclub proprietor will be held responsible. The penalties can run into many thousands of pounds, because, as is usual in British law, each instance is a separate offence, that is, if 200 people attend and there is a discriminatory price structure, then 200 offences have been committed!
Looking at information on the web, it appears that measures to "seek out" offenders are already in place, and the impression I gleaned, although this is my own personal opinion, is that this is seen to be as "cash cow" as far as the government is concerned, a bit like speed cameras. If a few party owners and club operators loose their homes and livelihoods, which appears to be perfectly possible, it won't help the scene much!
Having scanned the guidance, which is effectively the law (a bit like the Highway Code I guess) the following three paragraphs stare out significantly...
What is an ‘association’?
In equality law, an ‘association’ is any group of 25 or more members which has rules to
control how someone becomes a member, involving a genuine selection process.
When is a club or society not an ‘association’?
When it has no form of selection to decide who becomes a
member
Sometimes an organisation will say you have to take out membership to use their facilities
or services or to belong to a group. If it does not have any form of selection to decide who
becomes a member, it is not an association in equality law – even if it is called ‘club’,
‘society’ or ‘association’. Usually you pay a fee either at the time you join or on an ongoing
basis or to use the services (or both).
When it has no formal rules or fewer than 25 members
Clubs which have no formal rules governing membership or whose membership is less
than 25 are not associations in equality law.
For example:
• A book-reading club run by a group of friends.
• A walking club which anyone who finds out about it can belong to.
• A choir which is open to anyone who works at a particular place but where no
approval is required to join.
This sort of informal ‘club’ is not covered by equality law at all.
Unless someone can find a reference I have missed, or I have misunderstood the situation, I would venture to suggest that the OP's concerns are unfounded - particularly in relation to SH and clubs where generally you don't have to be a member to gain admission.
Club entry Free but single gemtlemen are asked to "tip" the club staff £30 and couples are being asked to "tip" the club Staff £10 Single ladies may only tip at discretion
Do you remember the laws for sunday trading before open all hours? i recall a shop being allowed to sell food but not hardware, there was a particular case where a shop sold an onion? for £20 but it came with a free tin of dulux paint?
does this sound about right?xtc jw
Personally I think that clubs charge single guys more , simply just to fleece them. But at the end of the day , how many of us (males, fems, cples), wouldnt have a night out at a club simply because it was £25 to get in rather than £15 ? Not many I would guess.
