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1 week in to the smoking ban, how you coping?
Sex God
Quote by cplintheNE
and your point being
My point being, if you've read anything about the smoking ban, you wouldn't need to ask that question.
well as the reply said you can smoke in your own residence, however if you have ppl comming to carry out work at your residence you must not that does not seem to effect the houses of parliment. and yes i have been through the smokin ban information with a fine tooth comb and there are lots of gray areas that some ppl can,t not understand
Sex God
Quote by cplintheNE
well as the reply said you can smoke in your own residence, however if you have ppl comming to carry out work at your residence you must not that does not seem to effect the houses of parliment. and yes i have been through the smokin ban information with a fine tooth comb and there are lots of gray areas that some ppl can,t not understand
That bit isn't a grey area though, is it - Dave_Notts answered that question and you obviously already knew about the rules regarding smoking in your home when workmen are present. There was a thread about it. This thread was Sheddy wanting to know how the ban has affected people.
Quote by Freckledbird
well as the reply said you can smoke in your own residence, however if you have ppl comming to carry out work at your residence you must not that does not seem to effect the houses of parliment. and yes i have been through the smokin ban information with a fine tooth comb and there are lots of gray areas that some ppl can,t not understand
That bit isn't a grey area though, is it - Dave_Notts answered that question and you obviously already knew about the rules regarding smoking in your home when workmen are present. There was a thread about it. This thread was Sheddy wanting to know how the ban has affected people.
yea it is
I'll only let workmen in who smoke, if he don't tell I won't
Quote by cplintheNE
well as the reply said you can smoke in your own residence, however if you have ppl comming to carry out work at your residence you must not that does not seem to effect the houses of parliment. and yes i have been through the smokin ban information with a fine tooth comb and there are lots of gray areas that some ppl can,t not understand
Not totally accurate either!
People coming to your house to work converts it into their place of work. They can ASK you to refrain from smoking but not insist on it - however if you refuse to stop smoking whilst they are in the house they can legitimately refuse to come to do the work.
Quote by Jaq__kryps
don't mind the smoking ban its just a pity that the tossers who voted it in also voted against a smoking ban in the houses of parlement. but thats politicians for you.
They didn't vote against of Parliment are a Royal Residence. Residences are exempt from the Act
Dave_Notts
and the butlers, chef, footmen, chamber maids, bar staff all take immune pills.
as do prison wardens
and
Quote by cplintheNE
does that include your own residence
All residences are not affected by the Health Act where smoking is banned in enclosed workplaces and public buildings.
As for butlers, cleaners, cooks, etc. The Act exempts them from the ban in as much as the place is primarily a residence therefore the legislation will not impinge on the resident in telling them what they can or not do in their own home.
Where people get hung up about this is "when a plumber comes in he can tell me to stop".
No he can't. He can ASK you to stop then you make that decision. Same as he will have the decision to work there with you smoking or whether he walks away. You as the householder has that choice.
For example....If I am stood in my hall way at 10 o'clock at night with water pouring through my ceiling because I have put two nails through the water pipes (yep this happened two months ago
) and a plumber came out on an emergency job where he asked me to stop smoking or he will walk away. I know I would stub it out till after he had gone. I could stick to my priciples......but the house would be more full of water than the Titanic.So what the plumber is doing is following his company policy that has been devised because of the Health and Safety at Work Act to protect his health. The only person who would break any legislation would be his employer if he forced him to work there.
I hope that is as clear as mud
The only time that this "Company Policy" could never work is if the person entering the resident was there under a statutory obligation. I.e. Police, Social Services, etc. You can imagine a wrong-doer just sparking up in doors and the Police having to say "Sorry I can't arrest yoiu but it is our company policy not to enter an enclosed space because you have a lighted cigarette".
Dave_Notts
Quote by Jags
well as the reply said you can smoke in your own residence, however if you have ppl comming to carry out work at your residence you must not that does not seem to effect the houses of parliment. and yes i have been through the smokin ban information with a fine tooth comb and there are lots of gray areas that some ppl can,t not understand
Not totally accurate either!
People coming to your house to work converts it into their place of work. They can ASK you to refrain from smoking but not insist on it - however if you refuse to stop smoking whilst they are in the house they can legitimately refuse to come to do the work.
Oh bugger!
If I had read a little more then I would not have had to write all that out
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
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5) Salt - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
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8) Fatty foods - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
Well, what do we have left? Ah feck it.......I'll impose a self ban and go live in a hole covered by bracken and when I peg out at 70.......I'll be pissed off that I have died of nothing
No salt - you drop dead. You really want to ban it?
No fatty food - you could get you energy from sugar and protein.
Somethings we need, in the right quantity. Somethings we do not need.
Salt is already in food. You do not need to add extra. So you wouldn't die.
Ditto for essential fats.
Dave_Notts
Japan has a problem with salty foods in their diet, that's before adding salt. The fact is salt and fat are just as much a part of a balanced diet as arsenic is. But when we walk into a restaurant we are not force to intake what everyone else has on their plait. We are forced by the act of breathing to intake what is in the air. I still value my right to breath clean air, relatively clean air over someone right to pollute it. That is why so much effort was put into stopping the London smogs, that killed so many.
In that case, I'll refer you to points 2, 3 & 4 of my previous post
Dave_Notts
Yep, ban them when we have another way to power the Internet.
As for the question "How am I managing" I now find myself going inside for fresh air.
Sex God
just come back from the docs & have taken my first tablet Have got till a week on Sat to stop although the doc says I won't want a :smoke: by Monday :D
we shall see
Have got till a week on Sat to stop although the doc says I won't want a :smoke: by Monday :D we shall see
Sex God
Quote by hisandhers
just come back from the docs & have taken my first tablet
we shall see
He's right! no you won't!! you'll be too busy packing
Sex God
Quote by firelizard
just come back from the docs & have taken my first tablet
we shall see
He's right! no you won't!! you'll be too busy packing
I wish hun, I wish pm for you :cry:
Quote by Dave__Notts
don't mind the smoking ban its just a pity that the tossers who voted it in also voted against a smoking ban in the houses of parlement. but thats politicians for you.
They didn't vote against of Parliment are a Royal Residence. Residences are exempt from the Act
Dave_Notts
and the butlers, chef, footmen, chamber maids, bar staff all take immune pills.
as do prison wardens
and
Quote by cplintheNE
does that include your own residence
All residences are not affected by the Health Act where smoking is banned in enclosed workplaces and public buildings.
As for butlers, cleaners, cooks, etc. The Act exempts them from the ban in as much as the place is primarily a residence therefore the legislation will not impinge on the resident in telling them what they can or not do in their own home.
Where people get hung up about this is "when a plumber comes in he can tell me to stop".
No he can't. He can ASK you to stop then you make that decision. Same as he will have the decision to work there with you smoking or whether he walks away. You as the householder has that choice.
For example....If I am stood in my hall way at 10 o'clock at night with water pouring through my ceiling because I have put two nails through the water pipes (yep this happened two months ago
) and a plumber came out on an emergency job where he asked me to stop smoking or he will walk away. I know I would stub it out till after he had gone. I could stick to my priciples......but the house would be more full of water than the Titanic.So what the plumber is doing is following his company policy that has been devised because of the Health and Safety at Work Act to protect his health. The only person who would break any legislation would be his employer if he forced him to work there.
I hope that is as clear as mud
The only time that this "Company Policy" could never work is if the person entering the resident was there under a statutory obligation. I.e. Police, Social Services, etc. You can imagine a wrong-doer just sparking up in doors and the Police having to say "Sorry I can't arrest yoiu but it is our company policy not to enter an enclosed space because you have a lighted cigarette".
Dave_Notts
What if the said plumber goes to a job in parliament or a prison? Does he have the right to tell them to stop smoking even though the non-smoking mp's or prison wardens who work there can't and have no choice? After all these places are exempt from laws, As for the residence bit, why is it these mp's are also exempt from smoking in their company vehicles and mini buses surely they can't say they reside there, Just seems very strange that the government has labeled passive smoking as a lethal killer yet think its ok in their workplace, i'd understand if they were all smokers but in a recent poll only 23% are smokers, seems a bit strange that one.
I can only speak from personal experience, after working each saturday night in a busy club for past 2 years, although never having smoked in my life, and not coming into contact with smoking in my 9-5 job, last year I was off work for a week with a chest infection, then over the past 3-4 months, I have been to my GP's 3 times, more than in the past 5 years, I was diagnosed with asthma as a teenager and used inhalers on and off, I have not used inhalers until the past 2 months, having to use them more and more, impacting in the fact that last night, I had to spend an overnight stay in hospital for the first time in my life at the age of 42, after a chest x ray found that there was no infection, the only reason for my asthma is asthma itself, Im now on a short course of steroids and other inhalers for the foreseable future. Am I blaming the smoking atmosphere within the club? maybe, am I blaming my childhod asthma on the fact that my mother and 2 older sisters all smoked? maybe, am I bitter, not really, I know I will get better, I have before, it worries that I have had more sick time in my new job than I normally would have, and I know that I could have left the club at any time over the past few years, but chose not to because the owners are not just bosses they are our friends and we wouldnlt let them down, if they thought the smoking had affected my health, they wouldnt have let me work, I only think the cumalative affect of the smoke within the bar has affected me over the past 2 years, which has now affected my health, I now know this wont happen in the future because of the smoking ban, I'm not asking people to prove or disprove my experiences, but just putting in print what has happened to me, I'm not totally anti smoking, but when you work behind a bar, you realise how many INconsiderate smokers there are, and believe me, they seem to outnumber the considerate ones, if the ban can help even a small minority of staff, customers, and so on, avoid ill health, isnt it worth it in the end?? Mr Johnjo
I am a smoker and I've been pleasantly surprised when I've been out that the ban hasn't particularly bothered me. I can unerstand why smoking in public places has been banned, even as a smoker it's been nice coming home not smelling of smoke and not having watery eyes at the end of the night.
It's my choice to smoke, I know the risks and I still choose to smoke but I fully agree that in a smoky environment non smokers have that choice taken away from them - they are breathing in smoke and it can harm your health.
I've been reading this thread with interest and feel that in the future no-one will bat an eyelid about not smoking in enclosed areas. Its not that long ago when we could smoke on buses, aeroplanes, in the cinema etc but we all accepted those bans and now its seen as the norm so in time not smoking in the pub will also be the norm.
It's my choice to smoke, I know the risks and I still choose to smoke but I fully agree that in a smoky environment non smokers have that choice taken away from them - they are breathing in smoke and it can harm your health.
I've been reading this thread with interest and feel that in the future no-one will bat an eyelid about not smoking in enclosed areas. Its not that long ago when we could smoke on buses, aeroplanes, in the cinema etc but we all accepted those bans and now its seen as the norm so in time not smoking in the pub will also be the norm.
why would someone with asthma choose to work in a pub? I suffer with my back, the last job I'd get is something that involved a lot of lifting.
To be fair, bar work is pretty menial, mininum wage sort of stuff so surely it's not as if that's the only job you could do?
Totally off topic ... just wondered, really.
To be fair, bar work is pretty menial, mininum wage sort of stuff so surely it's not as if that's the only job you could do?
Totally off topic ... just wondered, really.
Quote by Marya_Northeast
why would someone with asthma choose to work in a pub? I suffer with my back, the last job I'd get is something that involved a lot of lifting.
To be fair, bar work is pretty menial, mininum wage sort of stuff so surely it's not as if that's the only job you could do?
Totally off topic ... just wondered, really.
Theres a lot more to it than just working in a pub, which I wont go into here, but like anything, I had never considered myself as asthmatic, when I had my first chest infection, as far as I was concerned, it was just that, hindsight is a wonderful thing, if I knew that my health was going to be affected, then no, I would not have chose to work for as long a period as I did, my asthma may be coincidental, it may not have been caused by working in a smoky at5mosphere, but I'm personally happier that the smoking ban is in, and hope that similar events can be avoided for others in the future. John x
