2 things i hate...

18 Oct 2005

The geeks that write viruses....
And hackers......my site as just been hacked and it as really pissed me off !!!!!
Why do wankers do such things???
Sorry about the rant people but i just had to get it off me chest..
sad

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fooking little geeky twats should get a life instead of trying to ruin other peoples hard work....

18 Oct 2005

I have always wondered whether the companies that sell anti viruse products also create the viruses dunno

18 Oct 2005

Quote by seagull69
I have always wondered whether the companies that sell anti viruse products also create the viruses

Ooooo conspiracy theory that would be good,
the actual answer to the topic tho , hackers and peeps who create viruses tend to be the ultra intellegent computer whizzes, and i believe the main reason for them creating such pain in the ass`s is a kind of protest, because they hate microsoft, bill gates and windows, you have to remember that bil gates has kind of forced everyone to adopt windows interface (by giving it away free), and of course every thing has been designed to run on windows as a result, which just strengthens his grip, he`s monopolised this particular area of the computer world, and that would make you mad ........wouldnt it! (if you were a geek wanting to release a new operating interface like say "doors" biggrin

) you`d have no chance against a foe intent on releasing his for free,
or i mabey wrong redface

18 Oct 2005

get a imac pc :thumbup:
as so few people use macs compaired to Windows machine people don't bother wasting their time writing viruses for them, i mean why infect 100 people when you can infect thousands?
We use mac and windows in our house and the 2 mac pcs have never had a virus (and my kids use them too) and we don't have any norton type protcetion on them either :thumbup:

Quote by seagull69
I have always wondered whether the companies that sell anti viruse products also create the viruses

i don't think they need too!!

18 Oct 2005

An expert told me a few weeks ago that norton have 60% of the anti virus market, mcaphee have 20% so anyone making a virus creates it to pass these products. Then its on 80 out of every 100 pc's. His advice was to download an anti-virus off the web, which i've since done and i don't have any problems with my pc anymore. Don't know if i can name the product here though but if anyone wants to pm me for the details, feel free. smile

18 Oct 2005

Quote by quimninja305070
the actual answer to the topic tho , hackers and peeps who create viruses tend to be the ultra intellegent computer whizzes, and i believe the main reason for them creating such pain in the ass`s is a kind of protest, because they hate microsoft, bill gates and windows, you have to remember that bil gates has kind of forced everyone to adopt windows interface (by giving it away free), and of course every thing has been designed to run on windows as a result, which just strengthens his grip, he`s monopolised this particular area of the computer world, and that would make you mad ........wouldnt it! (if you were a geek wanting to release a new operating interface like say "doors" ) you`d have no chance against a foe intent on releasing his for free,
or i mabey wrong

Not sure if I would completely agree with this. Fair enough, dear old Bill does come in for a lot of stick and people berate Microsoft at every oppertunity but at the end of the day, Microsoft is a company making money and truth be told, some of their products are pretty good.
It's a bit similar to Red Hat. When they first produced their Enterprise subscription, some people got irate saying that they had gone away from the meaning of true Open Source. However, they were, for a short period, subjected to malicious attacks, but only for a short time, until these individuals had said their piece.
A lot of hackers, just do it for the thrill and the challenge. A few years ago the main challenge for hackers was the VMS OS - why - purely because it was nigh on impossible to hack. But this was attempted by the really clever people, purely for the challenge. Nowadays, with so many GUI hacking tools around it is easier to hack less well protected systems and also produce viruses. The challenge is not there for the really clever people, thats why they don't really do it. The majority of hacks now are done by either criminals or small minded individuals who think it is a challenge to hack a system using automated GUI's etc.
I believe the viruses are mainly produced by kids. They do it because they can. It's as simple as that. It's a bit like boasting in the school playground - the difference being that they now boast in a virtual rather than real world.
So all in all, no - I don't reckon it's Bill's fault, it's just the nature of the beast.
Just my view - thats all

18 Oct 2005

Quote by Manolishi

the actual answer to the topic tho , hackers and peeps who create viruses tend to be the ultra intellegent computer whizzes, and i believe the main reason for them creating such pain in the ass`s is a kind of protest, because they hate microsoft, bill gates and windows, you have to remember that bil gates has kind of forced everyone to adopt windows interface (by giving it away free), and of course every thing has been designed to run on windows as a result, which just strengthens his grip, he`s monopolised this particular area of the computer world, and that would make you mad ........wouldnt it! (if you were a geek wanting to release a new operating interface like say "doors" ) you`d have no chance against a foe intent on releasing his for free,
or i mabey wrong

Not sure if I would completely agree with this. Fair enough, dear old Bill does come in for a lot of stick and people berate Microsoft at every oppertunity but at the end of the day, Microsoft is a company making money and truth be told, some of their products are pretty good.
It's a bit similar to Red Hat. When they first produced their Enterprise subscription, some people got irate saying that they had gone away from the meaning of true Open Source. However, they were, for a short period, subjected to malicious attacks, but only for a short time, until these individuals had said their piece.
A lot of hackers, just do it for the thrill and the challenge. A few years ago the main challenge for hackers was the VMS OS - why - purely because it was nigh on impossible to hack. But this was attempted by the really clever people, purely for the challenge. Nowadays, with so many GUI hacking tools around it is easier to hack less well protected systems and also produce viruses. The challenge is not there for the really clever people, thats why they don't really do it. The majority of hacks now are done by either criminals or small minded individuals who think it is a challenge to hack a system using automated GUI's etc.
I believe the viruses are mainly produced by kids. They do it because they can. It's as simple as that. It's a bit like boasting in the school playground - the difference being that they now boast in a virtual rather than real world.
So all in all, no - I don't reckon it's Bill's fault, it's just the nature of the beast.
Just my view - thats all
very good point! and im not against bill, his service to the world of computers has been incredible, but my point about bill`s business tactics are that on a whole we will only recieve products which he/microsoft want us too ie: if microsoft decide to dont want to improve on there design much and gradully release improvements, they have the power to do that, as the only real market leader.....while were on this techy kind of subject, it pisses me of that they (computer designers/ researchers) release newer versions in dribs and drabs ie: whenthe pentium chips started comming out, it was 400MZ then 3-6 months 600MHZ and so on.......just a gripe really, dont like the way the pc market is controlled, need loads of new blood
Bills a good lad really, wish i had his money and i`l bet he`s got some wicked gadgets in his house or would that be his island....the rich bastard :P

18 Oct 2005

As NN said, you don't gret viruses with a Mac (we're major Mac people, here) But as to your second "hate" our sites have been hacked and thwacked, too.
Bastards.

18 Oct 2005

Yep, :thumbup: to Macs - OS X is the best user-friendly desktop OS all things considered (IMHO smile

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If cost is a problem (as it was for me a while back) get a cast-off old PC and revive it with a free LInux or BSD system - easier than they were, but still be prepared for a steep learning curve!
If you want a conspiracy theory - Gates has chosen not to devote some of MS's vast resources to improving the inherent insecurity of Windows because he sees a lucrative market in separate security products, which co-incidentally MS are beginning to move into by acquisition. It's like making a car with square wheels, then buying out all the companies that pop-up and invent round wheels, and charging extra for them rolleyes

18 Oct 2005

A much simpler and cheaper solution to getting a MAC would be to install free anti-virus, firewall and spyware software. I have all of them and have never been hacked, hijacked, had a DoS attack or any such thing.

18 Oct 2005

With regard to the site hacking... makes it harder for the hackers if you
a) have managed hosting so someone else gets to do the security updates for you in a timely fashion
b)If possible write your own scripts so that people arn't using common exploits of commercial or freeware scripts (people write tools todo this automatically)
c) Use the htaccess file to password anything you don't want them hacking... an example would be the admin pages of a bulitin board or forum. You are very likely to be using some kind of commercial or publically available system for this, which means you willl get hammered every time an exploit is found in it.
When I had a forum up on my site, it got defaced several times where people were taking advantage of an exploit, and doing so automatically by googling for the version number of the bbs software. Quick addition of a htaccess file to the admin directory stopped the nastyness as even tho they could still create fake admin accounts they couldn't get into the server to steal the htaccess password.
Even better where possible store your files in a non web accessable part of the server directory tree. If its stuff you want to display on the web (e.g. page content) get a script to re-print it onto a page. and if its backups or a database or something then you definately don't want it web accessable.

18 Oct 2005

mac's arn't expensive now day, we got a mini mac earlier in the year and it was only Â£400, Â£20 each for a key board and mouse and a monitor, any monitor will do you don't need a mac one, ok we also have a very expensive new one but they don't have to be a lot of money, if you have kids who use them i think they are a must as kids accpet any crap that pops up lol
buying a windows machine and installing a anti virus, fire wall and spy wear soft wear is not cheaper or simpler

19 Oct 2005

Excellant advice from you all but a great thank you to Chris 99....I was using PHPnuke which is renound for been insecure...ive now changed to one which is alot more secure...
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the little geeks still piss me of though as it at just cost alot of money for the software...