Speaking as someone who lives on the flightpath for Heathrow I am totally gutted about the news of the 3rd runway today. I was hoping, naively, that the Govt would do the decent thing instead of kowtowing to the money men once again. Our lives are pretty miserable as it is with planes starting at am and going on until well after midnight some nights. With this new runway we might as well forget about sleep especially in the summer when no amount of soundproofing or loft insulation does any good because we need to have the windows open. According to the Govt we need this 3rd runway because it will bring in more money. Oh great when am I going to get my share? Nope all we will get is a property that is completely unsaleable with losses of thousands of £'s.
I know we will get all the people who say well you knew the airport was there when you bought the place. True, but the airport was a totally different place when we bought nearly 30 years ago with no night flights and only 3 terminals etc. Now all we get is pollution and noise which will get worse as the 3rd runway comes to fruition. Think I will go top myself now :cry:
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3rd Runway
Oops! I thought this was another one about pubic trimming! 
But as I'm here....
I don't see the sense myself. They keep harping on about how fossil fuels are running out, and I haven't seen a solar powered passenger jet yet. So surely in a few years time they'll be using the runways as aircraft grave yards.
But as I'm here....
I don't see the sense myself. They keep harping on about how fossil fuels are running out, and I haven't seen a solar powered passenger jet yet. So surely in a few years time they'll be using the runways as aircraft grave yards.
Sex God
Quote by essex34m
I think it is the right decision. The travel and aviation busnesses are worth a huge amount to our economy, and to our growth.
I guess its the right decision if you don't live thereabouts - otherwise its the pits ain't it.
Bf - Hard luck guys, it must drive you nuts if you don't become immune to the noise.
Quote by Lost
I think it is the right decision. The travel and aviation busnesses are worth a huge amount to our economy, and to our growth.
I guess its the right decision if you don't live thereabouts - otherwise its the pits ain't it.
I'm not far from Stansted, which is the subject of growth plans, yes, I'm not right on it's doorstep, but but I do get aircraft at a few thousand feet above my house.
For me, it's not so much the news about the new runway at Heathrow, but the admission that was let slip with it (aka burying bad news) by Harriet Harman that the Freedom of Information Act will be amended so that MP's excessive spending while everyone else struggles to pay the bills will be "protected" from the public's prying eyes!
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Speaking as someone who lives on the flightpath for Heathrow I am totally gutted about the news of the 3rd runway today. I was hoping, naively, that the Govt would do the decent thing instead of kowtowing to the money men once again. Our lives are pretty miserable as it is with planes starting at am and going on until well after midnight some nights. With this new runway we might as well forget about sleep especially in the summer when no amount of soundproofing or loft insulation does any good because we need to have the windows open. According to the Govt we need this 3rd runway because it will bring in more money. Oh great when am I going to get my share? Nope all we will get is a property that is completely unsaleable with losses of thousands of £'s.
I know we will get all the people who say well you knew the airport was there when you bought the place. True, but the airport was a totally different place when we bought nearly 30 years ago with no night flights and only 3 terminals etc. Now all we get is pollution and noise which will get worse as the 3rd runway comes to fruition. Think I will go top myself now :cry:
Yes that is true, but can understand, you living there so long things have changed.
I know somebody who brought a place very near to Brands Hatch. Now moans it is too noisy and traffic is terrible. I asked the obvious question of course.
The trouble is Heathrow needs the third runway. People who live close to it will obviously be affected but...it has to go somewhere and seeing as Heathrow I think is the busiest airport in the world, it had to happen.
There is always a price to pay for travel expansion, but buying a house near to an airport, and one so needed even 30 years ago, would have been something I would not have done. But now it is having another runway, can understand completly people who live in it's flightpath, to be annoyed.
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Our lives are pretty miserable as it is with planes starting at am and going on until well after midnight some nights. With this new runway we might as well forget about sleep
Ok, so I know its been a couple of years since I was taught maths at school, but as far as I see it, there are hundreds of planes that want / need to land and take off at Heathrow every day. For safety reasons the times between each landing and take off can not be reduced. The reason they start so early and finish so late is cos of the bottleneck that the two runways currently causes.
If there are three runways, then the same number of landings and takeoffs can be completed in a shorter period of time.
Quote by essex34m
If there are three runways, then the same number of landings and takeoffs can be completed in a shorter period of time.
Or they can increase volume of flights.
But according to this site
the current limit of 16 flights per night (11:30pm until 6:00am) is frozen until 2012. Also there is proposal to "encourage the use of quieter aircraft".
Sex God
Quote by Ian
If there are three runways, then the same number of landings and takeoffs can be completed in a shorter period of time.
Or they can increase volume of flights.
But according to this site
the current limit of 16 flights per night (11:30pm until 6:00am) is frozen until 2012. Also there is proposal to "encourage the use of quieter aircraft".
And the chamces of the runway being built in less than 2 years - no chance! so the rules will enivitably be amended to faciltate Heathrows new capacity. C'mon that aint a conspiracy theory its just what happens.
Sex God
They could put the new terminal and runway in the Southwest couldn't they? I mean no one uses the southwest from September until May anyway and then only to eat pie n chips on a pier somewhere. Not in Weston now though Oh no
Frankly I don't believe a word the Govt or BAA make about flight numbers or times. We have heard it all before and they have consistently reneged on their promises when it suits them. We were promised no night flights when we moved in except for emergency landings when they had no choice. The 16 flights that have been quoted on here between 2300 and 0600 is a load of bollox as when they start at 0430 they are going over at the rate of 1 a minute at least and we seem to be the target runway at least 95% of the time. As they come over our house they are putting down their landing gear so within minutes of landing. The noise in summer with windows open means sleep is impossible. Oh but some good news. We have recently heard from BAA that we are going to be offered extra loft insulation to help with the problem. OVER THE BEDROOMS ONLY !!! Would make me 
if it wasn't so sad.
Any MP or BAA official is welcome to spend a week here anytime and see whether they can continue to work effectively when they are sleep deprived
if it wasn't so sad.Any MP or BAA official is welcome to spend a week here anytime and see whether they can continue to work effectively when they are sleep deprived
Sex God
Speaking as someone with a reasonable interest in aviation it is a bit of a paradox:
1) London needs the extra capacity and of course our principal airport is Heathrow.
BUT
2) Heathrow is probably in the worst possible place for an expanding International Hub. Many years ago a decision should have been made to reclaim land in the Thames estuary and build a brand new 4 runway airport in a place where expansion would be possible.
I am in no way agreeing with the environmental gobbleydegook and Green Nazi propoganda - I am only talking about basic practicalities. Technology exists to reclaim land from the sea and an estaury is as good a place as any to do it. The only issue then would be dealing with the bird strike potential (as demonstrated last night in New York) because estauries are the natural habitat of many large bird species - but technology does exist to combat this risk.
1) London needs the extra capacity and of course our principal airport is Heathrow.
BUT
2) Heathrow is probably in the worst possible place for an expanding International Hub. Many years ago a decision should have been made to reclaim land in the Thames estuary and build a brand new 4 runway airport in a place where expansion would be possible.
I am in no way agreeing with the environmental gobbleydegook and Green Nazi propoganda - I am only talking about basic practicalities. Technology exists to reclaim land from the sea and an estaury is as good a place as any to do it. The only issue then would be dealing with the bird strike potential (as demonstrated last night in New York) because estauries are the natural habitat of many large bird species - but technology does exist to combat this risk.
Quote by Ian
Our lives are pretty miserable as it is with planes starting at am and going on until well after midnight some nights. With this new runway we might as well forget about sleep
Ok, so I know its been a couple of years since I was taught maths at school, but as far as I see it, there are hundreds of planes that want / need to land and take off at Heathrow every day. For safety reasons the times between each landing and take off can not be reduced. The reason they start so early and finish so late is cos of the bottleneck that the two runways currently causes.
If there are three runways, then the same number of landings and takeoffs can be completed in a shorter period of time.
Good point :thumbup: but is only true of take-offs.
Flights that originate from other countries/time zones will still do so at the same time locally and will therefore still need to land at Heathrow. E.g. a flight leaving Hong Kong 11pm local time will be arriving in Heathrow around locally the following morning - this was always one of the first flights into Heathrow when I worked in the airline industry and often had to circle/hold over Essex as it couldn't land until after the restriction. Nightmare when the GMT hour changes too in the winter/summer.
It's actually the landings and reverse thrust of some aircraft that, with the wind blowing in the right direction create more audible noise that some take-offs.
<removes plane spotting geek hat>
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Sexlightened
Govt are a bunch of hippocrites, they introduce a green tax on flights (in theory to reduce the damage), yet introduce more and more flights and runways.
Anyone who does not understand that it's only ever about the govt and their rich business mates making (more) money is totally blinkered.
Anyone who does not understand that it's only ever about the govt and their rich business mates making (more) money is totally blinkered.
for proggresion in the uk , if you are lucky enough not to live near an airport runway.. motorway..sea port..shopping centre ..etc etc the list is endless then count your blessings. :roll:
but we are a small island and as we all know we need the modern luxuries of life closeness to things .
look at the motorways finally the govt has accepted we need 4 lanes in certain places not yet but how long before we need 5 lanes and how many people living near these motorways will be given compulsory purchase orders ????????? :shock: :shock:
sad but a fact of life we all have to pay a price sometime or other.
steve
:roll: but we are a small island and as we all know we need the modern luxuries of life closeness to things .
look at the motorways finally the govt has accepted we need 4 lanes in certain places not yet but how long before we need 5 lanes and how many people living near these motorways will be given compulsory purchase orders ????????? :shock: :shock:
sad but a fact of life we all have to pay a price sometime or other.
steve
As a local to Heathrows surrounding area I am not happy with the news about the 3rd runway.
We have just had to put up with a 5th terminal destroying a large amount of area... and now a third runway! It's not just the noise of the planes that annoys me but the increase in congestion, pollution and the errosion into the countryside and villages.
I understand that a lot of new jobs will be generated but as this area has one of the lowest levels of unemployment in the country this is not something to get overexcited by!!
I will be letting the council/goverment/anyone who cares to listen, my anger at this new runway....... they wont like me when i'm mad :twisted:
We have just had to put up with a 5th terminal destroying a large amount of area... and now a third runway! It's not just the noise of the planes that annoys me but the increase in congestion, pollution and the errosion into the countryside and villages.
I understand that a lot of new jobs will be generated but as this area has one of the lowest levels of unemployment in the country this is not something to get overexcited by!!
I will be letting the council/goverment/anyone who cares to listen, my anger at this new runway....... they wont like me when i'm mad :twisted:
We live on the airline route from Heathrow to the USA. On a clear night you can see at least 4 aircraft heading out, and on a clear day the sky is filled with contrails. Apparently most of these aircraft are only one-third full, so surely the answer is not more runways but less flights?
If it goes ahead, the third runway will be ready just in time for 'peak oil' when air travel will become too expensive for most ordinary people.
But big business wants it built, so built it will be. This government just exists to do anything big business wants, and stuff the rest of us!
If it goes ahead, the third runway will be ready just in time for 'peak oil' when air travel will become too expensive for most ordinary people.
But big business wants it built, so built it will be. This government just exists to do anything big business wants, and stuff the rest of us!
We live on the airline route from Heathrow to the USA. On a clear night you can see at least 4 aircraft heading out, and on a clear day the sky is filled with contrails. Apparently most of these aircraft are only one-third full, so surely the answer is not more runways but less flights?
If it goes ahead, the third runway will be ready just in time for 'peak oil' when air travel will become too expensive for most ordinary people.
But big business wants it built, so built it will be. This government just exists to do anything big business wants, and stuff the rest of us!
If it goes ahead, the third runway will be ready just in time for 'peak oil' when air travel will become too expensive for most ordinary people.
But big business wants it built, so built it will be. This government just exists to do anything big business wants, and stuff the rest of us!
