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Quote by flower411
I`ve just had a read of the AUP and having a poor memory I need to ask if there have been any major changes .....
I spotted this line ...
Abusive, aggressive, hateful or racist behaviour towards fellow members, Ops/Mods or Administration staff.
And it occured to me that this wasn`t previously a qualified statement !!!
Does this mean that Abusive, aggressive, hateful or racist behaviour is now acceptable as long as it isn`t directed towards members, ops/mods or admin ????
Is there anyone else available to abuse? Guests I suppose
Quote by flower411
I`ve just had a read of the AUP and having a poor memory I need to ask if there have been any major changes .....
I spotted this line ...
Abusive, aggressive, hateful or racist behaviour towards fellow members, Ops/Mods or Administration staff.
And it occured to me that this wasn`t previously a qualified statement !!!
Does this mean that Abusive, aggressive, hateful or racist behaviour is now acceptable as long as it isn`t directed towards members, ops/mods or admin ????
Is there anyone else available to abuse? Guests I suppose
I`m sure it used to just say ...
Abusive, aggressive, hateful or racist ....
That would be a general thing that would avoid people being able to make generally unpleasant comments about society .... Now it just seems to include members etc ...
Which suggests to me that the AUP has been changed to accomodate certain members of certain political groups ....
But I may be completely wrong !!
Swinging Heaven have the right to change the AUP at anytime without prior notice to its members, Ops or Mods.
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I thought the AUP used to be far more comprehensive - where has the bits about whispering without asking gone? ~I'm sure that used to be 'Against the AUP'
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Quote by Meeko
I thought the AUP used to be far more comprehensive - where has the bits about whispering without asking gone? ~I'm sure that used to be 'Against the AUP'
That is all in the chat room rules, still there
Oh cool yeah gotcha. also thought it was within the AUP section too. Cheers loads Meeko
The AUP is there for all to see, if ya bother to look.
As it clearly states it will not tolerate those things said about members or staff of this site. What the heck has it got to do about anything said about someone or something from outside of this site?
Do people now want SH to be the internet police?
SH are only responsible for this site and how others act on it towards other members.
Of course to suggest otherwise when it has nothing to do with this site on a legal standing, would be trying to curtail free speech, which I know is trying to be stamped out every day of the week.
SH have taken the right stand and is there to protect it's staff and the members, and nothing else. That is how it should be.
If that is what is not being asked for then there is a minefield of what you can talk about and who you can talk about.
As it clearly states it will not tolerate those things said about members or staff of this site. What the heck has it got to do about anything said about someone or something from outside of this site?
Do people now want SH to be the internet police?
SH are only responsible for this site and how others act on it towards other members.
Of course to suggest otherwise when it has nothing to do with this site on a legal standing, would be trying to curtail free speech, which I know is trying to be stamped out every day of the week.
SH have taken the right stand and is there to protect it's staff and the members, and nothing else. That is how it should be.
If that is what is not being asked for then there is a minefield of what you can talk about and who you can talk about.
As for asking for clarification when SH want to change something well.....would someone like a member of staff, if you owned your own business, to ask for clarification on something you wanted to change?
I am sure most employers would tell them, this is my business and I do not have to clarify anything....I own it.
If someone nitpicks about something they do not like about a site, they can always leave and find alternative web sites....Just a thought.
I am sure most employers would tell them, this is my business and I do not have to clarify anything....I own it.
If someone nitpicks about something they do not like about a site, they can always leave and find alternative web sites....Just a thought.
Quote by kentswingers777
As for asking for clarification when SH want to change something well.....would someone like a member of staff, if you owned your own business, to ask for clarification on something you wanted to change?
I am sure most employers would tell them, this is my business and I do not have to clarify anything....I own it.
If someone nitpicks about something they do not like about a site, they can always leave and find alternative web sites....Just a thought.
Sorry I have to just point out here, we are not employees of the site and don't get paid for being here.
We pay for the service that SH provides and I do believe we are able to ask a question if we feel we would like to.
If all paid memebers left the site, where would you all be then?
So I believe we do have a right, without the only option being if you don't like it leave, you need to think about who people here keep on saying that too.
I am sure Admin would not like new members or paid members all getting up and going and you would not either as where then would you hang out most evenings.
Racist and homophobic postings about society in general are both the responsibility of SH and the individual poster and could potentially lead to criminal prosecution. If i were responsible in such a way I would ensure I made it clear as the site owner that such behaviours were unacceptable.
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I do find some of the rules, sometimes when I see peoples threads being locked or pics rejected, a bit anal retentive to be honest but as kentswingers777 said, you accept it or go elsewhere and at the end of the day, its only a forum so big deal.
Disagree about the bit on businesses not having to justify their rules/rule changes as they do though it doesn't always happen, but then, we have diverging views on the old employer/employee dynamic
Accepted and no debate when it's clear and blatant, but it is very subjective otherwise and some people will see offence in the most innocent of cases when it becomes in my view, pc-nonsense.
Disagree about the bit on businesses not having to justify their rules/rule changes as they do though it doesn't always happen, but then, we have diverging views on the old employer/employee dynamic
Quote by benrums0n
Racist and homophobic postings about society in general are both the responsibility of SH and the individual poster and could potentially lead to criminal prosecution.
Accepted and no debate when it's clear and blatant, but it is very subjective otherwise and some people will see offence in the most innocent of cases when it becomes in my view, pc-nonsense.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
As for asking for clarification when SH want to change something well.....would someone like a member of staff, if you owned your own business, to ask for clarification on something you wanted to change?
I am sure most employers would tell them, this is my business and I do not have to clarify anything....I own it.
If someone nitpicks about something they do not like about a site, they can always leave and find alternative web sites....Just a thought.
Sorry I have to just point out here, we are not employees of the site and don't get paid for being here.
We pay for the service that SH provides and I do believe we are able to ask a question if we feel we would like to.
If all paid memebers left the site, where would you all be then?
So I believe we do have a right, without the only option being if you don't like it leave, you need to think about who people here keep on saying that too.
I am sure Admin would not like new members or paid members all getting up and going and you would not either as where then would you hang out most evenings.
I would spend a bit more time watching me Sky tv on me massive telly Minxy, and get a bit of value for me £55 a month.
I would be very interested to get admins view on this, as surely they cannot be held responsible for what it's members say on a web site?
Of course they can do as they please but people's interpretations of what others may or may not say, can differ hugely from one person to another.
Maybe that is why the AUP apparently has been changed to just include members and staff of this site?
There are plenty of other forums out there that have far more stronger comments than I see on here, and the site owners do nothing, Now if there was a legal implication to what someone writes on your forum pages, I am sure the site owners cannot be held accountable by law.
If a person was to break the law on a web site the site owners would have their IP address and could pass it on to the police.
Maybe admin can clarify this issue a bit better than I can?
Quote by kentswingers777
As for asking for clarification when SH want to change something well.....would someone like a member of staff, if you owned your own business, to ask for clarification on something you wanted to change?
I am sure most employers would tell them, this is my business and I do not have to clarify anything....I own it.
If someone nitpicks about something they do not like about a site, they can always leave and find alternative web sites....Just a thought.
777 sorry what you have wrote here, I believe wrong.
But then again I could be wrong in the way I see things maybe admin might put me right here.
I agree this site is a business, but in operating this business you rely on members, members that pay to use the site that they are offering.
In paying for the site I do notsee myself as an employee here, I see myself as a customer, I think as a customer we should be able to ask a question to clarification a change, as then we can make an informed decision if we want to continue to pay to use the service they are offering.
So I think by relating us to employees you have somehow got your wires crossed.
I must admit I have seen nothing from a member expressing racism or homophobia, and am sure that if there was ADMIN would deal with it accordingly.
Members are within their rights to report any member who they feel has broken the AUP.....blimey I must have hundreds in the in tray.
Still freedom of speech is just an interpretation of ones thoughts, that does not make a person racist or homophobic if they do not agree with people on those issues.......or does it now?
I hope that admin can clear this bit of confusion up, for people that are a tad confused with the issue.
Members are within their rights to report any member who they feel has broken the AUP.....blimey I must have hundreds in the in tray.
Still freedom of speech is just an interpretation of ones thoughts, that does not make a person racist or homophobic if they do not agree with people on those issues.......or does it now?
I hope that admin can clear this bit of confusion up, for people that are a tad confused with the issue.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
As for asking for clarification when SH want to change something well.....would someone like a member of staff, if you owned your own business, to ask for clarification on something you wanted to change?
I am sure most employers would tell them, this is my business and I do not have to clarify anything....I own it.
If someone nitpicks about something they do not like about a site, they can always leave and find alternative web sites....Just a thought.
777 sorry what you have wrote here, I believe wrong.
But then again I could be wrong in the way I see things maybe admin might put me right here.
I agree this site is a business, but in operating this business you rely on members, members that pay to use the site that they are offering.
In paying for the site I do notsee myself as an employee here, I see myself as a customer, I think as a customer we should be able to ask a question to clarification a change, as then we can make an informed decision if we want to continue to pay to use the service they are offering.
So I think by relating us to employees you have somehow got your wires crossed.
Minxy.....whilst you are correct in saying you are a " customer " because you pay to use the site, there are God knows how many, me included that do NOT pay anything. Does that make me a customer still?
People who pay to use this site are more entitled to air their views, than those who pay nothing. I can understand and know people who begrudge having to pay, when many others do not. Of course I am happy that is costs me nothing to belong to this site, and yes admin allow me to air my views on things but...as a non paying user, I am not a customer and in vanilla world usually not paying for something does not give you the same rights as people who have paid.
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Quote by kentswingers777
Minxy.....whilst you are correct in saying you are a " customer " because you pay to use the site, there are God knows how many, me included that do NOT pay anything. Does that make me a customer still?
People who pay to use this site are more entitled to air their views, than those who pay nothing. I can understand and know people who begrudge having to pay, when many others do not. Of course I am happy that is costs me nothing to belong to this site, and yes admin allow me to air my views on things but...as a non paying user, I am not a customer and in vanilla world usually not paying for something does not give you the same rights as people who have paid.
Non paying members are still customers and have just as much right to air their views as those who pay....
After all......Us free members are the ones who helped make the site what it was and thus made it a viable site to buy.....
I think as a paying customer I choose whether to put my money into this site or move my money into another site or simply stop paying money to swing (in effect)
That certainly doesn't give me more or less rights to an opinion or give me the more or less rights to voice that opinion.
I run three businesses (in a manner of speaking) I know that my 'customers' are the ones that ensure the money keeps flowing in. My interest in other's opinion/view/perspective is in direct proportion to cash flow from that person.
If I were running this site it would matter less to me what those who pay nothing think. I would take it into consideration because I am nice like that. But guests and free members aint paying my bills. Their knowledge and views would be interesting I hope. If they chose to stay or go would have no impact on my mortgage.
That certainly doesn't give me more or less rights to an opinion or give me the more or less rights to voice that opinion.
I run three businesses (in a manner of speaking) I know that my 'customers' are the ones that ensure the money keeps flowing in. My interest in other's opinion/view/perspective is in direct proportion to cash flow from that person.
If I were running this site it would matter less to me what those who pay nothing think. I would take it into consideration because I am nice like that. But guests and free members aint paying my bills. Their knowledge and views would be interesting I hope. If they chose to stay or go would have no impact on my mortgage.
Quote by splendid_
I think as a paying customer I choose whether to put my money into this site or move my money into another site or simply stop paying money to swing (in effect)
That certainly doesn't give me more or less rights to an opinion or give me the more or less rights to voice that opinion.
I run three businesses (in a manner of speaking) I know that my 'customers' are the ones that ensure the money keeps flowing in. My interest in other's opinion/view/perspective is in direct proportion to cash flow from that person.
If I were running this site it would matter less to me what those who pay nothing think. I would take it into consideration because I am nice like that. But guests and free members aint paying my bills. Their knowledge and views would be interesting I hope. If they chose to stay or go would have no impact on my mortgage.
I agree with what you have said.
Also I think as someone that pays for a service knowing there are going to be chances have the right to ask what those changes are going to be before I make an informed choice to contiune to pay for the service.
Minxy of course as a " paying customer " you can ask what changes are going to happen. But the owners do not have to tell us anything and if the changes they make members do not agree, thay can withdraw their fees and leave.
All I was saying was that whilst non paying members like myself are given the right to air our views, I feel that as in most cases the people who actually pay for a service, should have more of a say than people who do not pay.
The only other one I can think of is the NHS.
But seriously the site owners can do what they like when they like, but admin have given us all the chance of airing our views and asking for everyones opinions on the changes that are/will take place, and fair play to them.
I am one of the lucky ones that do not pay, yet still get given the opportunity of contributing to the site.
All I was saying was that whilst non paying members like myself are given the right to air our views, I feel that as in most cases the people who actually pay for a service, should have more of a say than people who do not pay.
The only other one I can think of is the NHS.
But seriously the site owners can do what they like when they like, but admin have given us all the chance of airing our views and asking for everyones opinions on the changes that are/will take place, and fair play to them.
I am one of the lucky ones that do not pay, yet still get given the opportunity of contributing to the site.
