The preacher say sex outside marriage is a sin.
I hide my secret.
The boys down the pub say Adam has a new candy every week.
I hide my secret.
My sister says a doctor picked dirt from her eye at the railway station, but she went back to her husband.
I hide my secret.
The boys go down the red light streets.
I hide my secret.
Jack says his wife has no idea he is knocking off his front desk girl.
I hide my secret.
Jane in the next office asks what I think of her boobs.
I hide my secret.
What a dreadful secret. So many respectable people doing unresectable things. Who would understand me knowing my wife plays away. Who would understand she knows I play away.
I hide my secret.
Are we condemned to hide or like the gay rights marcher should we claim respectability?
I hide my secret.
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Are we condemned to hide or like the gay rights marcher should we claim respectability?
I hide my secret.
Apart from the fact that what you tell other people about yourself is your own decision - to one person something might be a terrible 'sin' yet to another it doesn't matter at all, only you can judge whether or not it's worth risking an unfavourable reaction from them - I take umbrage at the statement that gay rights marchers are 'claiming respectability'. By being gay I am not disrespecting anyone or doing anyone a disservice as it is fluck all to do with anyone who I, or any other person, sleeps with as long as we're all consenting adults.
I hope this is just poor phrasing of your point.
I was suggesting the simple fact that gay rights was won by going out and saying "There is nothing wrong with us" and may be swinging could become accepted in the same way. People put themselves on the line to win respect that they never had before. To change public opinion by shear mass and presents.
Now I am not ready to put myself on the line, I am keeping my secret! It is every-one's right to keep their secret, so long as it does no harm.
What I was thinking, voicing was the simple fact that we keep (do we keep?) our secret because of others perceived attitudes. Their attitudes may change, are they just the submission to the perceived culture we live in.
Could the perception of British culture be changed by demonstrating the hidden lives we lead. As it has been done in the past?
Would I march on parliament demanding protection for Swinger tomorrow? No! Demanding Swing Bishops? No!
Perhaps I am a coward? Perhaps it would be counter productive? Perhaps it is a fight that does not need fighting?
Some will tell you I express myself well. I know I do a bad job sometimes. You have seen something I did not intend.
Travis
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Claiming respect from others is what I was saying, becoming respectable! Not coming to respect others.
Now I am not ready to put myself on the line, I am keeping my secret! It is every-one's right to keep their secret, so long as it does no harm.
What I was thinking, voicing was the simple fact that we keep (do we keep?) our secret because of others perceived attitudes. Their attitudes may change, are they just the submission to the perceived culture we live in.
Could the perception of British culture be changed by demonstrating the hidden lives we lead. As it has been done in the past?
Would I march on parliament demanding protection for Swinger tomorrow? No! Demanding Swing Bishops? No!
Perhaps I am a coward? Perhaps it would be counter productive? Perhaps it is a fight that does not need fighting?
Some will tell you I express myself well. I know I do a bad job sometimes. You have seen something I did not intend.
Travis
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I take umbrage at the statement that gay rights marchers are 'claiming respectability'. By being gay I am not disrespecting anyone
Claiming respect from others is what I was saying, becoming respectable! Not coming to respect others.
I see what you are saying but to put the public parading in into context, with the exception of the (very non politcal) parade, access to the 3 day Manchester Pride, which is now by far the biggest in the country, requires a 24 hour patrolled solid steel security fence around the village and a festival-style wristband entry system for safety for all those there for the weekend 
Without wishing to turn this in to the inevitable crossing of swords, I'd rather prefer the term 'acceptable' to 'respectable' - the ideal would that in the future homosexuality just slipped under the radar as a norm than something that would be raised as an issue.
Without wishing to turn this in to the inevitable crossing of swords, I'd rather prefer the term 'acceptable' to 'respectable' - the ideal would that in the future homosexuality just slipped under the radar as a norm than something that would be raised as an issue.
I think it might be a redundant debate.
If you are single you are at liberty to have a variety of sexual partners. Its up to you how you manage that in today's dating conventions. You don't need a title or identity to be sexually successful/active.
Although your success at such may be hampered by being blatantly obvious about it.
If you are married you promise to behave according to a set of values and rules. Therefore you contradict yourself by declaring such values invalid, by being a swinger, and you get divorced. Which is why no married people will march down the street proudly declaring that they swing.
It becomes a deep dark secret, if you dwell on it being like that.
If you are single you are at liberty to have a variety of sexual partners. Its up to you how you manage that in today's dating conventions. You don't need a title or identity to be sexually successful/active.
Although your success at such may be hampered by being blatantly obvious about it.
If you are married you promise to behave according to a set of values and rules. Therefore you contradict yourself by declaring such values invalid, by being a swinger, and you get divorced. Which is why no married people will march down the street proudly declaring that they swing.
It becomes a deep dark secret, if you dwell on it being like that.
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If you are married you promise to behave according to a set of values and rules. Therefore you contradict yourself by declaring such values invalid, by being a swinger, and you get divorced. Which is why no married people will march down the street proudly declaring that they swing.
It becomes a deep dark secret, if you dwell on it being like that.
If you are married, who did you make the vows to? If it was to your partner then any amendment is surely between the two of you. If it was to any God, then it is between you and god, or in some cases you and his representative on Earth. If it is to society, then swinging does seem to be a no, no.
We made our vows to one another. We have amended them as time has past, or should I say reinterpreted. Anyway, we are both aloud to have safe sex with others. There was a time when first married that was not so. Times change, life changes, feelings change! Perhaps one day in the future we will march down the road waving banners? Not until our parents are gone! Not until we are both ready!
Married people make vows to themselves, to society and expect society to uphold and support their vows also. That's the basic arrangement with marriages. With families, the state and the church throwing in their bit to help the happy couple, through life.
So I think its unlikely you'll get a lot of married folk joining the parade. Single swingers could easily do so. But there would be little or no point other than to express that they have lots of sex with several people, which they are already at liberty to do.
So I think its unlikely you'll get a lot of married folk joining the parade. Single swingers could easily do so. But there would be little or no point other than to express that they have lots of sex with several people, which they are already at liberty to do.
HI De
I am not going to tell everyone I swing. Not that it is bad, it is just our life. As much as everyone has a right to say this sex is right and this sex is wrong, they do not have a right to impose it on others.
However, by staying silent am I in someway allowing them to impose their views? Even so it is just too much hassle to wave a flag.
I do not think I have put it much clearer, but perhaps it was just put forward to start a discussion?
Travis
I am not going to tell everyone I swing. Not that it is bad, it is just our life. As much as everyone has a right to say this sex is right and this sex is wrong, they do not have a right to impose it on others.
However, by staying silent am I in someway allowing them to impose their views? Even so it is just too much hassle to wave a flag.
I do not think I have put it much clearer, but perhaps it was just put forward to start a discussion?
Travis
