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I have a hypothetical situation for people to consider --
A married couple, they have been married for a number of years (10+), over the years her interest in sex has waned to nothing, he has tried various things over that time to keep her interested and even tried to get them to have marriage counselling to sort the problem, he still has a high sex drive but despite his best efforts she is not interested at all. Other than the incompatability with regards to sex they get on fine, they have kids, a nice house, good jobs and great friends. He has tried to suggest that if she is not interested then maybe he should look elsewhere and she has said No Way even though she is not interested in trying to change things. He knows that if he just leaves she will be devastated, the kids will be really upset and also at the end of the day he still loves her and would like to stay with her.
What does he do? Does he stay in the marriage and accept that he will never have sex again for the next 40-50 years or until she dies or leaves him? Does he leave her and the kids, break up what is for her a happy home in order to have sex with someone else with a clear conscience? Or does he cheat on her discreetly, and find someone to satisfy his sexual needs on a no strings basis so that he can enjoy his life with his wife and kids without being constantly frustrated?
I am rather interested to hear peoples answers to this, and before anyone suggests it he has already tried the talking about it approach on and off for the last 5 years to try and improve things and she has made it completely clear that she is not interested in sex but will not accept knowing that he is seeing someone else.
This is also not a question about whether swingers should/would swing with a married man just a case of what should this man do.
Roger the Dragon. cool
You need to add the 'playing away' option to the poll biggrin
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You need to add the 'playing away' option to the poll biggrin

Poll has now been corrected. redface
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I have a hypothetical situation for people to consider --
just a case of what should this man do.

Roger, assuming this is in fact a hypothetical question, I'd be interested to know why you chose a he and not a she?
Ditto
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I have a hypothetical situation for people to consider --
just a case of what should this man do.

Roger, assuming this is in fact a hypothetical question, I'd be interested to know why you chose a he and not a she?
Because I couldn't be bothered to write he/she in each line. lol
Please read the above to mean he or she. wink
Wow!
It's a difficult one.
Just my personal opinion but I think while sex is a huge part of a relationship. if you really love someone and want to spend the rest of your life with that person then sex isn't the be all and end all.
What if she couldn't nave sex due to disability or illness. should he just up and leave or shag someone else?
Nothing is impossible though. The guy needs to get as much advice as possible from all agencies. If they've previously had a good sex life then something somewhere has gone wrong and there will be an answer for it.
It's pretty sad to think that this situation is probably very common. Poor couple.
Hide all her vibrators and she'll beg you for sex soon.
Or maybe he's really shite in bed ? That the reason she doesn't want him?
I have now edited the original to add the non-gender bit and the poll has disappeared so anyone interested will have to post instead! Sorry. redface
There's alsorts of possible scenarios really.
Maybe she just doesn't fancy him anymore but they're still together cos well ... thats what people*** do when they've been together for ages. They just get used to it and the alternative becomes less attractive.
How old are they? Could it be some kind of mid-life crisis thing. Everyone goes through stages in their life when things aren't quite right, no matter what the reason.
One thing that made thigs worse for me, with my ex, was being constantly bugged for sex. The more he nagged me for it, the less I wanted to do it. But that's something else. I just didn't like him rolleyes
*** before you all jump on me, I dont mean everyone!!!!
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Hide all her vibrators and she'll beg you for sex soon.
Or maybe he's really shite in bed ? That the reason she doesn't want him?

The woman (or man) who doesn't want sex is simply no longer interested, she has other things she finds more enjoyable and doesn't see that as they get older sex is important. (Before anyone complains there really are people for whom sex is completely unimportant.)
I think if there is no obvious reason then they need to seek help as a couple.. and she should be willing to do this if she really loved him. However if there is a reason (ie illness etc) then it makes it a bit more complicated.. is it going to be a 'forever' thing? I know if for some reason I couldn't physically have sex then I would consent to my partner getting it from elsewhere. However, I do believe sex is an important part of life and the thought of never having it again is really scary!! :shock: lol
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I have now edited the original to add the non-gender bit and the poll has disappeared so anyone interested will have to post instead! Sorry. redface

We have the poll back now but in duplicate! banghead
Maybe he's got a 2ft dick and she's fed up with that pain.
Seriously, are you sure she's not shagging someone behind his back?
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Maybe he's got a 2ft dick and she's fed up with that pain.
Seriously, are you sure she's not shagging someone behind his back?

In this hypothetical situation absolutely - they use to have a good sex life but she is simply no longer interested and unwilling to try and improve things.
Maybe this person would have to consider whether being without sex will eventually make the relationship uncomforable and then it would no longer be a happy house? Children pick up so easily when people have rows or if there is an atmosphere and it can sometimes be better for the parents not to live in the same house dunno
If that could be the case then maybe he should serisouly think about leaving :dunno:
This situation must happening to lots of people up and down the country...both men and women. As I said in a previous thread - relationships change and not always for the better. I know disabliities can mean that sex isnt always possible in the traditional way but there are ways for couples to stay close sexually without getting physical. Getting counselling isnt something I would recommned to anyone. When my marriage was breaking up we tried and it was the most heartbreaking thing. It involves raking up old heartaches and old grudges surface that should have been left alone. We sorted things by realising that we had grown apart and we needed to get out. We divorced without solicitors as we acted like adults and made sure the kids came first.. But some couples want to stay together for whatever reason and I personally think that if it means that someone gets sex elsewhere without hurting the other one thats fine. I know that feeling I had to have sex with my husband, when I knew things didnt feel right, hurt me more than if he had gone to someone else for it.
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I have a hypothetical situation for people to consider --
A married couple, they have been married for a number of years (10+), over the years her interest in sex has waned to nothing, he has tried various things over that time to keep her interested and even tried to get them to have marriage counselling to sort the problem, he still has a high sex drive but despite his best efforts she is not interested at all. Other than the incompatability with regards to sex they get on fine, they have kids, a nice house, good jobs and great friends. He has tried to suggest that if she is not interested then maybe he should look elsewhere and she has said No Way even though she is not interested in trying to change things. He knows that if he just leaves she will be devastated, the kids will be really upset and also at the end of the day he still loves her and would like to stay with her.
What does he do? Does he stay in the marriage and accept that he will never have sex again for the next 40-50 years or until she dies or leaves him? Does he leave her and the kids, break up what is for her a happy home in order to have sex with someone else with a clear conscience? Or does he cheat on her discreetly, and find someone to satisfy his sexual needs on a no strings basis so that he can enjoy his life with his wife and kids without being constantly frustrated?
I am rather interested to hear peoples answers to this, and before anyone suggests it he has already tried the talking about it approach on and off for the last 5 years to try and improve things and she has made it completely clear that she is not interested in sex but will not accept knowing that he is seeing someone else.
This is also not a question about whether swingers should/would swing with a married man just a case of what should this man do.
Roger the Dragon. cool

well i think it seem like sex is a big issue to this bloke...so he got to have a big talk with his wife,,,,its quite common for long term relationship couples.. to change from feeling sexual to then starting feeling platonic..it is some times hard for people to see there husband/wife as a object of sexual desire once they have knowledge of there weeknesses..and eccentricites..physical ageing dont help some couples as well
on here asking people will be like...going in to a busy pub asking people could they give up drink.....
with out sex in his life is going be hard for him.,....they have to talk threw it,,,he needs to know why she wont have it...(he might not like the answer,,but its got to be said)..he cant cheat,cause he feel bad afterwards,,,and it seems he loves his wife and kids so much...like bt said its good to talk
i aint read what everyone has said....and once again sorry about the spelling
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Well i think it seem like sex is a big issue to this bloke...so he got to have a big talk with his wife,,,,its quite common for long term relationship couples.. to change from feeling sexual to then starting feeling platonic..it is some times hard for people to see there husband/wife as a object of sexual desire once they have knowledge of there weeknesses..and eccentricites..physical ageing dont help some people as well
on here asking people will be like...going in to a busy pub asking people could they give up drink.....
with out sex in his life is going be hard for him.,....they have to talk threw it,,,he needs to know why she wont have it...(he might not like the answer,,but its got to be said)..he cant cheat,cause he feel bad afterwards,,,and it seems he loves his wife and kids so much...like bt said its good to talk
i aint read what everyone has said....and once again sorry about the spelling

The bloke in question has already tried talking to his wife and she is not interested. He only really has the options of Cheating, Leaving or Abstaining!
And like you say on this site I would think very few people would be in favor of abstaining from sex for the rest of their lives but cheating is also not very popular on here and the thought of splitting up an otherwise happy home due to lack of sex is never going to be the easy option either.
Roger the Dragon. cool
BTW - Thanks to everyone who has responded to the poll so far- despite me cocking it up!
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Well i think it seem like sex is a big issue to this bloke...so he got to have a big talk with his wife,,,,its quite common for long term relationship couples.. to change from feeling sexual to then starting feeling platonic..it is some times hard for people to see there husband/wife as a object of sexual desire once they have knowledge of there weeknesses..and eccentricites..physical ageing dont help some people as well
on here asking people will be like...going in to a busy pub asking people could they give up drink.....
with out sex in his life is going be hard for him.,....they have to talk threw it,,,he needs to know why she wont have it...(he might not like the answer,,but its got to be said)..he cant cheat,cause he feel bad afterwards,,,and it seems he loves his wife and kids so much...like bt said its good to talk
i aint read what everyone has said....and once again sorry about the spelling

The bloke in question has already tried talking to his wife and she is not interested. He only really has the options of Cheating, Leaving or Abstaining!
And like you say on this site I would think very few people would be in favor of abstaining from sex for the rest of their lives but cheating is also not very popular on here and the thought of splitting up an otherwise happy home due to lack of sex is never going to be the easy option either.
Roger the Dragon. cool
BTW - Thanks to everyone who has responded to the poll so far- despite me cocking it up!
well they married they should be able to talk about everything,how little or how big it might be...hes got to tell he feels like leaving...and i bet when he does that it all start coming out...if u cant talk about things...then thats not a good relationship..thats shit...
and i know cheating is bad,not nice thing to do...but it happens fact,,,and loads will say till they blue in the face they never cheat on there love would they say the same if they was in this relationship???...........he got make her talk....
Another hypothetical question, if this same guys wife had some illness that prevented her from walking would he be expected to stop walking too?
If she genuinely dosnt want sex why should he also not have sex?
Personally , I think he should find someone who does want sex , but not a relationship, the easy way out here being to pay for it. I have no doubt he will feel better abel to contribute to famiyl life (lets be honest here most men are so much nicer when their balls are empty). My only word of caution is that he should make sure that both him and his shagging pal should be clear that he is married and will stay that way.
I think this a far more adult and honourable way of dealing with the situation than just ditching the wife and kids and moving on.
The hypothetical person entered the relationship with the assumption that sex was part of the bargain. As the other partner has withdrawn from this agreement permanently, supposedly because he/she no longer finds it important in their lives, then why shouldn't the person find an outlet elsewhere?
As Roger said, everything else in the relationship is rosy, all the talking has been done, and leaving would cause a lot of heartbreak for both parties. Why should someone be forced to spend the rest of their life without sex? Which, in real life, is the lesser of the two evils?
By swinging rather than looking for an affair, the person is less likely to get entangled emotionally outside of the relationship. He/she should go for it but be very careful and discreet.
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The hypothetical person entered the relationship with the assumption that sex was part of the bargain. As the other partner has withdrawn from this agreement permanently, supposedly because he/she no longer finds it important in their lives, then why shouldn't the person find an outlet elsewhere?

An interesting point here, it is always assumed that the cheating partner in a relationship is the selfish one - this brings up the question of whether it is in some cases the partner who is no longer agreeing to sex who is the selfish one.
Obviously circumstances vary but it is rather interesting given the very vocal reaction usually given to cheating on here that in an anonymous poll about 2 thirds of people have chosen the Cheating option out of the 3 possible ones.
Roger the Dragon. cool
Where's the option .... discuss alternative arrangements with wife as in hubby seeks sexual gratification elsewhere with wife's permission. If she doesn't give permission then I still don't think cheating discreetly is right. If the wife finds out or the kids then he's shattered lives possibly irreparably! all for a quick shag!
Cx
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Where's the option .... discuss alternative arrangements with wife as in hubby seeks sexual gratification elsewhere with wife's permission.
Cx

Rogers first post suggested this path had already been taken to no avail.
I agree with his most recent post. If the wife refuses to seek help or change her mind, why should she assume her man would be happy to go without sex for the rest of his life simply because *she* wants to?
It's utterly selfish IMO and although this is a scenario only, it is acutally closer to the truth for many married men on this site, than some would care to imagine.
Man is not destined to go without sex. Only religious *morals* have forced this situation upon human beings. It is entirely un natural and I'm afraid I stand with the discreet *cheating* on this one.
You may not feel that *cheating* is right, but do you also feel that the wife should hold all the cards just because she has a ring and a piece of paper?
If her husband is happy to remain with her, despite her utter selfishness, then the least she could do is to cut him a little slack confused
Having an affair, where full blown emotions are bound to happen is one thing and not to be condoned. Swinging and having an occasional shag is another and I cannot see any harm in it at all :?
Tracy-Jayne
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Where's the option .... discuss alternative arrangements with wife as in hubby seeks sexual gratification elsewhere with wife's permission. If she doesn't give permission then I still don't think cheating discreetly is right. If the wife finds out or the kids then he's shattered lives possibly irreparably! all for a quick shag!
Cx

The premise is that the man(or woman) has already tried to discuss this with their partner and she is unwilling to let him do anything with her permission or to try to improve things for him herself.
Hence only 3 options.
Roger.
Try all three options
1. abstinance
if that doesn't work
2. cheat
when found out
3. adios amigo
.........davej who lives in a blissfully uncomplicated world that will no doubt bite his arse one day.
Bit close to home this one, he could have been my ex husband. There were a LOT of factors in my case that put me off sex and instead of us being strong together and getting through it he strayed and I threw him out. It would have been much better if he had come clean to me that our relationship was over in his eyes and finished it before involving someone else.
I do think relationships should be about more than just sex though, unfortunately my ex didn't, in every other way I was as good a wife and mother as I could have been under our circumstances, but we had a lot of difficulties at the time and he was too weak to deal with things in a decent way.
Interesting post Roger...!! smile
I think that if my husband/partner didn't want sex anymore then I would basically tell him that I couldn't live without sex and that I was going to go to someone else for it, I would then proceed to find a fuck buddy that had no emotional ties and have sex with him but with the full knowledge of my husband/partner....that way I'm not cheating on him and he can leave if he wants to.
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Try all three options
1. abstinance
if that doesn't work
2. cheat
when found out
3. adios amigo

I think this may be the most common situation actually.
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.........davej who lives in a blissfully uncomplicated world that will no doubt bite his arse one day.

Ditto to that but it has been rather interesting seeing peoples opinions when it is not about someone personally.
Roger.