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Hi all, (well hi the few left on here that have not disappeared to a munch tonight) rolleyes
Me and Mrs Pete, where just having a convo about “open relationships” and a few questions came up that we didn’t have the answers to, sooooooooooooo we thought, now who would know this, dunno
:small-print: I have used my friendly search button, so if its been done b4 just point me to it and feel free to lock. :jagsatwork:
Ok, going by our experience on messenger, Caron gets on average 10 male contacts to every one of my female contacts. (we have left couples out of the equation for the purpose of this thread) So, we thought, if we were in an open relationship, as opposed to a swinging partnership, she would be off shagging 24/7, whilst I would be lucky to get it once a quarter, redface
Question, does this extrapolate into real life? And if so, how do you deal with it? Is the “once a quarter” partner expected to shrug and just accept it? Or is there a mechanism of balance (I cant really see that working ……… “OK you’ve had your share for the month, my turn now” rotflmao )
If I was being honest I would have to say that I’m not sure if I could handle it, and surprisingly but happily (for me) Mrs P said that she thought it would be really unfair. :shock:
So ok, its quite obvious that we are not ready for an open relationship, but would be really interested to hear what others think about the idea, especially those who have some experience of the subject.
Discuss. :jagsatwork:
Oh and in case you are totally confused, I am on Mrs P's computer tonight, so of course it auto signed me in as her banghead :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
will be back on my machine just as soon as the defrag has done :sleeping: :sleeping:
It's a good question.
Personally, I think you've answered your own question by saying you're not ready for it at the moment, which leads to the conclusion that an open relationship means complete freedom with no conditions.
However, I've got no experience of it so am not sure I subscribe to the "no conditions" bit. I think it could work where there are conditions but it'd be essential to set out the rules before embarking on the venture.
:undecided: :undecided:
hmmm.....
confused
well, I was in a sort of "open relationship" and did have quite a lot more offers than my husband. I think there are many more monogamous women than men. The majority of my female friends would be horrified by the thought of swinging or an open relation ship . I think that generally speaking, men are more open to the idea, so there are bound to be more mean than women to choose from.
May be unfair, but I don't think there's much anyone can do about that!
I am glad I am a woman :happy:
except have a sex change :shock:
Hmmmmm, interesting..... yeah, similar topics have been discussed before, but it's still a good topic so I'm not even dreaming of locking it :thumbup:
I suppose for any couple in a open relationship where each partner swings alone with opposite sex partners, the female is going to get more interest and more choice simply due to the vast numbers of single guys out there compared with females. The male partner will always get less interest and have to work harder for meets. Yes, it applies to RL meets as well as those who contact you via MSN. But what you might find is that a lot of the guys who contact the female partner are not suitable, are dipsticks, and most of the contacts might never ever result in an actual meet (depends of course how fussy she is lol )..... but at the end of the day, she will have loads of choice while the male won't.
Of course, how you deal with it is up to you, if are are not ready for that type of relationship yet simply don't try it! On the downside, I guess it could lead to resentment by the male if the female is having loads of meets and he isn't. That's where talking and setting careful boundaries that neither breaks comes in handy!
A lot of couples use the fact that tthe female is going to get more offers to their advantage if the male likes watching..... but I figure that's not what you are talking about here? Other couples only meet other couples so each partner always has fun - again, I figure that not what you mean here?
When it comes down to it, I guess it's what you have to accept..... having said that, there are lots of guys on here that now they are known seem to get loads of sex - so there's always something to aim for hehehehehehehehehe :giggle:
I think the mistake is a common one of perspective . Theres ,lots of bollocks talked by 'swinging' couples about being strong and solid and having common aims in the scene, but in my experience often each partner has their own seperate and highly individual and expectations and desires from the life style . Thats kewl of course if they share their ideas thoroughly and agree , but thats unfortunately rare . For men it is all too common to try and calculate whats in it for them , and sadly often female partners are traded like pokemon cards " you can lick mine if i can finger yours" . Its my belief that true successful couples long term in swinging are very rare and unusal individuals , and that quanitifying what makes them successful ( if thats the right term) is impossible and certainly not possible by fractions or percentages .
Peace
OK
thank you for those succinct replies, so lets take this (purely hypothetical) scenario one step further.
Now I’m not asking if there any hard and fast rules, as I know there are not, but from a personal point of view, imagine that one partner feels that he / she is ready to progress from a swinging partnership, to an open relationship, but the other is not. How would you deal with this situation?
Personally I would find this a very difficult dilemma, on the one hand I think I would feel quite hurt, maybe deserted even, yet on the other I feel strongly enough for my partner to want her to experience anything she desires. The question is, would I be brave enough to let her go? Or would I dig my heel in, say no, and risk her resentment, even if she did not allow herself to show it?
Sorry if this is all a little philosophical for a Sunday afternoon, but hey, I’m interested in peoples take on this.
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OK
thank you for those succinct replies, so lets take this (purely hypothetical) scenario one step further.
Now I’m not asking if there any hard and fast rules, as I know there are not, but from a personal point of view, imagine that one partner feels that he / she is ready to progress from a swinging partnership, to an open relationship, but the other is not. How would you deal with this situation?
Personally I would find this a very difficult dilemma, on the one hand I think I would feel quite hurt, maybe deserted even, yet on the other I feel strongly enough for my partner to want her to experience anything she desires. The question is, would I be brave enough to let her go? Or would I dig my heel in, say no, and risk her resentment, even if she did not allow herself to show it?
Sorry if this is all a little philosophical for a Sunday afternoon, but hey, I’m interested in peoples take on this.

Well i would have thought that if you have (hypothetically) talked it through and feel safe and confident that it won't be detrimental to the relationship, you'd let it happen.
Alternatively, if there is common respect then she would probably not do it because you were unhappy about it.
Depends on the couple I s'pose.
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Hi all, (well hi the few left on here that have not disappeared to a munch tonight) rolleyes
Me and Mrs Pete, where just having a convo about “open relationships” and a few questions came up that we didn’t have the answers to, sooooooooooooo we thought, now who would know this, dunno
:small-print: I have used my friendly search button, so if its been done b4 just point me to it and feel free to lock. :jagsatwork:
Ok, going by our experience on messenger, Caron gets on average 10 male contacts to every one of my female contacts. (we have left couples out of the equation for the purpose of this thread) So, we thought, if we were in an open relationship, as opposed to a swinging partnership, she would be off shagging 24/7, whilst I would be lucky to get it once a quarter, redface
Question, does this extrapolate into real life? And if so, how do you deal with it? Is the “once a quarter” partner expected to shrug and just accept it? Or is there a mechanism of balance (I cant really see that working ……… “OK you’ve had your share for the month, my turn now” rotflmao )
If I was being honest I would have to say that I’m not sure if I could handle it, and surprisingly but happily (for me) Mrs P said that she thought it would be really unfair. :shock:
So ok, its quite obvious that we are not ready for an open relationship, but would be really interested to hear what others think about the idea, especially those who have some experience of the subject.
Discuss. :jagsatwork:

I guess other perspectives could be that you could both agree on what amount of time you spend in open relationships on a comparable basis... that one person may have a higher sex drive and can take that into consideration..... that the women may have more contacts but as a consequence they can afford to be more choosy.....
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For men it is all too common to try and calculate whats in it for them , and sadly often female partners are traded like pokemon cards " you can lick mine if i can finger yours" .

That is completely at odds with our experience of the scene and is fairly insulting to the women involved in the scene. I thought that those ideas disappeared with the car keys in the bowl swapping parties of the 70s.
If you suggested to mrs northwest that she was being traded I think you would get a fairly forceful response and I think that would go for all the women that we know.
Quote by Him'nHer
OK
thank you for those succinct replies, so lets take this (purely hypothetical) scenario one step further.
Now I’m not asking if there any hard and fast rules, as I know there are not, but from a personal point of view, imagine that one partner feels that he / she is ready to progress from a swinging partnership, to an open relationship, but the other is not. How would you deal with this situation?
Personally I would find this a very difficult dilemma, on the one hand I think I would feel quite hurt, maybe deserted even, yet on the other I feel strongly enough for my partner to want her to experience anything she desires. The question is, would I be brave enough to let her go? Or would I dig my heel in, say no, and risk her resentment, even if she did not allow herself to show it?
Sorry if this is all a little philosophical for a Sunday afternoon, but hey, I’m interested in peoples take on this.

Well i would have thought that if you have (hypothetically) talked it through and feel safe and confident that it won't be detrimental to the relationship, you'd let it happen.
Alternatively, if there is common respect then she would probably not do it because you were unhappy about it.
Depends on the couple I s'pose.
A couple of good and valid points, and in an ideal world, I would agree.
I do wonder however for how many people who are in an open relationship, that this is actually the case?
Could it be that there are some who agree to it for different reasons?
For instance take the partner who has lost his / her sex drive and agrees because he / she does not want to deprive their partner of an active sex life, or perhaps the partner who agrees simply because he / she is scared that should they not agree, the other party may well either leave, or pursue their passion covertly?
Knowing some of the complexities of relationships and human nature, I find it hard to believe that all open relationships, when put under the microscope, are really a 50 / 50 emotional ride, that’s not to say I think all OR’s are like that, far from it, having met several couples in this situation,
I strongly believe that most are certainly for mutual gratification and by mutual consent, but I do sometimes question some peoples motives, ……………….. And questioning is good right? It stimulates debate, by which we all learn a little more, sometimes even about ourselves …………. Or here’s hoping
well....from a single guys perspective i think the answer is in your experiences....not just your swinging experiences but also life too...
if this gets too profound please feel free to ignore it smile
think back as a single guy to your night clubbing day with your friends.....of course please remember that this is only the male perspective....if i had insight into the other in a "what women want" scenario then id be either rich or dead with death by shagging being the culprit.....
life in your late teens and most of your twenties is ruled by your 1 eyed friend....all them blurred nights of chatting up blown out chatting up chicken out etc etc etc....
my point is....its always been the ladies perogative hassnt it....granted...in the swinging side you know you are all there for the same thing as you have talked about it....
thats my experience for what its worth......
as already said we guys dont have a problem with the sharing scene as much as most women do......
gents....we are sooo lucky to know this site and the people from it......otherwise we may still be trawling the clubs and pubs to find ourselves a partner..
It really rather depends what your looking for, me and my hubby swing as singles as well as together and to be honest we have never had any problems with it, we have never done the 'but you had 5 meets last month and i only got 1' thing, its about talking with each other and finding out whats ok, of course i think he would get cheesed off if i met someone every day but to be honest i wouldn't want to meet someone every day as i still have a home life too and that comes first, meeting others fit round my work and family, if people have problems with what they are doing i feel thats down to a lack of communication.
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A couple of good and valid points, and in an ideal world, I would agree.
I do wonder however for how many people who are in an open relationship, that this is actually the case?
Could it be that there are some who agree to it for different reasons?
For instance take the partner who has lost his / her sex drive and agrees because he / she does not want to deprive their partner of an active sex life, or perhaps the partner who agrees simply because he / she is scared that should they not agree, the other party may well either leave, or pursue their passion covertly?
Knowing some of the complexities of relationships and human nature, I find it hard to believe that all open relationships, when put under the microscope, are really a 50 / 50 emotional ride, that’s not to say I think all OR’s are like that, far from it, having met several couples in this situation,
I strongly believe that most are certainly for mutual gratification and by mutual consent, but I do sometimes question some peoples motives, ……………….. And questioning is good right? It stimulates debate, by which we all learn a little more, sometimes even about ourselves …………. Or here’s hoping

Couldn't agree more, you put it more succinctly than I did.
Oohhh I've got to go and find a light hearted thread, this is the third successive thread that I've posted in "deep and meaningful" mode LOL, don't want to scare evryone away..... Look out everybody here comes M from Him'nher :eeek: :eeek: :eeek: :eeek:
After all is said and done its a question that frankly is unlikely to have any definitive answer , since it deals with very vague and almost abstract terms and concepts that in themselves mean a multitude of things to different people . Id go so far as to say that you have less chance of finding an honest or unbiased answer here than in a less specific forum . Truth is probably very personal , perhaps too personal for anyone to share in a revealing way .they may even be fooling themselves .