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I'm doing a degree in social health care and one of my social 'problems' is Ageism... I'm sitting trying to get this all in context and wonder if anyone can help??
At what age are you classed as elderly?? Is there such a word? How would you like to be referred to in your 'mature' years... and the question I need to answer is.. "Describe an elderly person?"... confused
Hmmmm, difficult question.
My step-father is in his 70's, but doesn't look or act old. Other people the same age as him definitely seem 'elderly', as do some younger than he is.
I suppose retirement is the benchmark to some degree. Once you reach compulsory retirement age it seems society is saying 'you are now too old to be productive any more'
It's not something I have ever really thought about, but looking at the question now I think 80 is probably the age at which I personally would consider someone to be 'elderly'.
I work in an organisation that support older, elderly, people. We are a national organisation we do not have a definition of old. We have searched government and other organisations for a definition and couldn't find one.
Our only remit is that 80% of our clients must be over 55 years old.
Not a lot of help but I will keep digging.
Thanks guys... I agree with you all. My view is that (and I had a lovely email about this one).. the preferred word is 'older' person. When you see the word 'elderly' you tend to conjour up this picture in your head of a very old person with maybe a walking stick and not so agile when in fact I know of some people in their 70's and 80's that can out dance anyone half their ages! (my own Grandma in particular bless her died at 89 and was still boogying the night away on her bloody mary's!!! lol )
I think.... 40's +...mature person, 60's + .. older person.
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I will define myself as 'old' when I am unable to muster the energy to go swinging.
So maybe aged 70 or 80+ I may sit down with my knitting needles and knit wolley crutchless knickers for swingers rather than run around the clubs and parties with my thongs, waving them above my head and shouting NEXT.
I was no help really was I !!!

No but I had a laugh tho! can I pre book a pair of your knickers! :shock:
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Hmmmm, difficult question.
My step-father is in his 70's, but doesn't look or act old. Other people the same age as him definitely seem 'elderly', as do some younger than he is.
I suppose retirement is the benchmark to some degree. Once you reach compulsory retirement age it seems society is saying 'you are now too old to be productive any more'
It's not something I have ever really thought about, but looking at the question now I think 80 is probably the age at which I personally would consider someone to be 'elderly'.

Thanks Lissa... Society has a lot to answer for hasn't it? Who is it who sits there and sets the rules?? I watched a documentary a while back on a man who was 100 and was taking his new girlfriend out for a meal! lol
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I will define myself as 'old' when I am unable to muster the energy to go swinging.
So maybe aged 70 or 80+ I may sit down with my knitting needles and knit wolley crutchless knickers for swingers rather than run around the clubs and parties with my thongs, waving them above my head and shouting NEXT.
I was no help really was I !!!

No but I had a laugh tho! can I pre book a pair of your knickers! :shock:
And what colour would madam require.....? and would you want a peep hole bra to match? cus if you do, I'd better start knitting now
biggrin haha.. ooh best have it in black please to enhance the tan I shall have from many trips abroad as a retired person! oh and yes please.... peephole with one clasp at the back for hubby to undo (he'll need all the help he can get by that age lol )
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.. and the question I need to answer is.. "Describe an elderly person?"... confused

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ok,ok i'm sorry bolt
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.. and the question I need to answer is.. "Describe an elderly person?"... confused

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ok,ok i'm sorry bolt
fil :grin:
Ooooh errrrrr....... smackbottom lol :lol: :lol:
What about geriatic mothers :shock:
As recently as the 1980s, first-time mums over 30 were often referred to as 'geriatric mothers'. These days most health authorities consider you old if you're having your first child at 37 or older. They tend to use less insulting words, but you may still encounter the term 'elderly prima gravida' meaning older first-time mum.

I have to say I don't view elderly as meaning older, elderly furnishes me with visions of Miss Marple type women being all fluffy and nice. Older would be better terminology all round I think.
I'd class elderly as 80 + I think. That's when I noticed a certain fragility in my Grandparents that made me realise they couldn't do everything with me anymore and that they needed to start being more careful with themselves.
The ageism one is far trickier and I don't think it's relevant just to the elderly or older members of society, because I truly believe that every age group can be discriminated against by those who aren't in that group themselves.
Jas
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There are several tell tale signs for when someone has become elderly/old/older
1. The second thing they tell you is their age "I'm 83 you now."
2. They wear a coat in the summer
3. The women wear 'hairy' hats (don't know the name of the material)
4. The men wear ties on the outside of v-necked jumpers.
5. The men have more hair up their nose or in their ears than on their heads.
I'm sure there are more and I will return when I remember them (ooo senior moment :shock: )
smackbottom I have a 'hairy hat' by Kangol and I love it to bits! Doesn't make me elderly! lol
Does it? :shock:
I'm not sure what makes someone elderly, but I'd say words like frail, dependant, retired when all said together makes me think 'elderly' when in fact those traits can be used and applied to anyone at any age.
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There are several tell tale signs for when someone has become elderly/old/older
1. The second thing they tell you is their age "I'm 83 you now."
2. They wear a coat in the summer
3. The women wear 'hairy' hats (don't know the name of the material)
4. The men wear ties on the outside of v-necked jumpers.
5. The men have more hair up their nose or in their ears than on their heads.
I'm sure there are more and I will return when I remember them (ooo senior moment :shock: )

NO = just come back when you are doing them.
Phredd bolt
I always class middle aged as about 10 years older than me confused
My son made me feel very old last week. He was talking about my elder son and said he thought he was almost middle aged......at 28 !!!! :shock:
To him, I'm posivitely elderly :?
I think thats the key.... age and ageism is always from the point you are at at the time.
I.e. a 10 year old will see a 20 year old as reaaaaallly reaaaallly old because it's twice their age, when in fact it's only a ten year difference.
Apply the same ten year gap between say a 48 year old and a 58 year old and the difference might not be so hugely apparent because the rate of development has slowed down.
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As one of the older members of SH may I suggest that 'Ageism' takes many forms. People who express 'age in the range of...' in their profiles is a classic for example. They are setting an arbitrary pair of numbers and may well be missing out on some very interesting and sexy people either side of those numbers. Why have they chosen those two particular numbers? I guess what I am trying to say to you Jaymar by way of help is 'Ageism' isn't necessarily the same as 'old discrimination'. Now your Thesis may be to do with older (or elderly!!) people but maybe you should also consider the potential problems of 'young discrimination'. I would suggest that as your Degree is about social health care there is a clue there. Maybe its more to do with people becoming infirm or less mobile as they get older (which is is non age specific).
Is someone saying they are 'not comfortable' playing with someone older or younger than themselves being Ageist in the same way those setting age limits (as above)?
I have a very dear friend I have been chatting to for a very long time on here and it is a running joke that while she thinks I am 'quite cute' (me ffs!) I am ' too old' to shag. We have had many a laugh over this but it raises another angle. For example I have met some pretty unattractive, boring 30+ and some downright sexy and interesting 60+ ladies so where does that leave the importance of age in swinging. I have found I simply cannot share a common sense of humour with many 20+ people so I doubt I will ever have the chance of meeting one. Is that me being Ageist? I always look to see if the person is at least interesting to chat with (hence I guess over 90% of my meets are generated from chatrooms / forum) and take it from there. Surely its the person that counts not their reference number.
Lissa makes the point well by saying her stefather is in his 70s but doesn't look or act it while others of the same age do. But is there a template for how a 70 year old should act? My kids are forever telling me to 'grow up Dad' or 'act your age not ours' but I can't help it because I am who I am inside. Can't help the exterior too much although I do take care of 'me' as best I can!
I sympathise with Keeno as even government get it wrong. I project managed the IT and training needed for the issue of new generation bus passes when legislation changed some years ago. The Law said 'of pensionable age'. Fair enough until someone later realised men and women get their pension 5 years apart. So now its everyone aged 60! DOH!
Lst point: if you fancied someone at a club / party / social and got chatting and after an hour with you getting the right hots for this person it came out they were 20 years older than you thought would you still shag them?

Thank you so much for that Hornybear... I had never actually thought as Ageism as being part of any other age group other than older people.. you have opened my eyes so to speak. I agree with you on the age dictation in profiles as it doesn't bother us as to anyones age but each one to their own so to speak.. I also agree that it is far easier to find a common ground with someone your own 'age range' or older as younger people have different views and interests etc. As to pensionable age, hasn't this just been increased by a few years?
I shall def. take your comments on board thank you! lol
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There are several tell tale signs for when someone has become elderly/old/older
1. The second thing they tell you is their age "I'm 83 you now."
2. They wear a coat in the summer
3. The women wear 'hairy' hats (don't know the name of the material)
4. The men wear ties on the outside of v-necked jumpers.
5. The men have more hair up their nose or in their ears than on their heads.
I'm sure there are more and I will return when I remember them (ooo senior moment :shock: )

biggrin a typical discussion of our lecture was... "describe an elderly person....." you can imagine the comments: 'moth balls' 'mis match clothing' 'nulon hand cream' 'lipstick that bleeds OVER the lips'...and a few smelly ones to boot..lol oh and 'victory v's'!!! wink
@@I have to point out this was a cynical view of what people interpret elderly people to be and not our actual views@@
Well speak as you find but I think Little Gem got it right with this..............
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I think thats the key.... age and ageism is always from the point you are at at the time.
I.e. a 10 year old will see a 20 year old as reaaaaallly reaaaallly old because it's twice their age, when in fact it's only a ten year difference.
Apply the same ten year gap between say a 48 year old and a 58 year old and the difference might not be so hugely apparent because the rate of development has slowed down.

Age doesn't matter it's how you act and feel that counts, and also how the world see's you.
When I was 15 anybody older than 30 was an old git.......... anyone older than 50 shouldn't be here......
When I was 30 anyone over 50 was an old git........... anyone over 70 shouldn't be here.....
Now I'm over 50 nobody is an old git.... (well they are if they want to act like an old git) and if you've got to 90 you've done well, and can I buy you a beer cos I bet you've got some really great stories to tell...
I guess it's just a matter of getting it into perspective, and how the world sees me is their problem not mine.
M
Thanks HornyBear for voicing my own thoughts so articulately. I am just turned 60 and retired early to give myself time for enjoyment and my attitude to being old is 'fuck that for a game of soldiers'. Some people start acting elderly as soon as they reach their twenties. I enjoy the company of younger people better than the old; I am in an evening class of lively teenagers and get on famously with them though my sexual tastes run to older women. I don't quite know what I would do with a woman in her teens or twenties to be honest. Basically though I respond to people more than an agegroup.
Hi, I'm new here so hope you don't mind me butting in.
I was interested to read all the posts about this because it's something I've had a lot of involvement in recently. I work in HR and one of the things we have had to do is to take note of the new age discrimination law which came into force in October this year.
As far as working arrangements are concerned employees now have the statutory right to request working beyond the statutory retirement age and we

might be of interest to some.
Outside work, I guess you're only as old as you feel!]
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Hi, I'm new here so hope you don't mind me butting in.
I was interested to read all the posts about this because it's something I've had a lot of involvement in recently. I work in HR and one of the things we have had to do is to take note of the new age discrimination law which came into force in October this year.
As far as working arrangements are concerned employees now have the statutory right to request working beyond the statutory retirement age and we

might be of interest to some.
Outside work, I guess you're only as old as you feel!]
:smile2:

Thanks Mazelli.... I'll look that site up. "Ageism" is on my list of ethical dilemas for my coursework and it is really great to get so many view points that will def. help me on my way.
Thanks to everyone else who posted also, you have all been more than helpful! biggrin
The word 'elderly' brings to mind frail, needy, dependent and I hate all of these labels as I think we are just getting into a world where ageism is seen as something to be scorned upon.
Mum is around late 60s and she is no shape or form elderley though I think some people have the idea still if you are over 55 you are 'elderly'. :shock: :shock: :shock:
Sure it helps in the health service to label things but as people are living longer and working longer its difficult to know what is really elderly
The only one I know is that you get certain benefits over the age of 80
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The word 'elderly' brings to mind frail, needy, dependent and I hate all of these labels as I think we are just getting into a world where ageism is seen as something to be scorned upon.
Mum is around late 60s and she is no shape or form elderley though I think some people have the idea still if you are over 55 you are 'elderly'. :shock: :shock: :shock:
Sure it helps in the health service to label things but as people are living longer and working longer its difficult to know what is really elderly
The only one I know is that you get certain benefits over the age of 80

Thanks Corrie, I had actually made that comment in my lecture when asked for the meaning of elderly.. I had said "needy" or "dependant" but the reply was needy or dependent could apply to any age therefore you cannot catagorise with those words for an older person... :doh:
No wonder I posted this thread! baffled ain't the word lol lol :doh: :confused:
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I'm doing a degree in social health care and one of my social 'problems' is Ageism... I'm sitting trying to get this all in context and wonder if anyone can help??
At what age are you classed as elderly?? Is there such a word? How would you like to be referred to in your 'mature' years... and the question I need to answer is.. "Describe an elderly person?"... confused

I've just had a flick through a couple of Health Promotion Text books....... they seem to be describing persons over 65 as "older persons" , or "elderly". ...
Evidence from the General Household Survery has, since the start of the 1990's shown that about 60 per cent of all people over the age of 65 suffer from some sort of chronic illness or disability

- refrenced to Walker, A. Maber, J. Couthard M. Goodard E. and Thomas M (2001) Living in Britain: Results from the 2000 General Household Survery London, The Staionary Office - Taken from: Reader A, (2003). Debates and Dilemas in Promoting Health 2nd Edition. The Open University.
If you have to relate the answer to a Social Care setting, I would use that as a start, then talk about the Health issues that affect the 60%. In the context of Social Health Care, you won't be interested in the 40% of over 65's that have no extra health care needs.
Les x
Great to see some really intellegent replies on this one; I frequently suffer the 'wrinkly syndrome' when adding in the contact columns yet sometimes swing with some friends, she 68, he 65 and they both shag like rabbits! And if you find big bellies a problem, just pop into my local Wetherspoons and look at some of the paunches on 20-something lads....! Perhaps attitude is the key, from we oldies ourselves to those who attach the labels. As for myself, I will admit to being old when my willie no longer carries out it's designed function...you may then shoot me!! Cheers, Guys.
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I'm doing a degree in social health care and one of my social 'problems' is Ageism... I'm sitting trying to get this all in context and wonder if anyone can help??
At what age are you classed as elderly?? Is there such a word? How would you like to be referred to in your 'mature' years... and the question I need to answer is.. "Describe an elderly person?"... confused

I've just had a flick through a couple of Health Promotion Text books....... they seem to be describing persons over 65 as "older persons" , or "elderly". ...
Evidence from the General Household Survery has, since the start of the 1990's shown that about 60 per cent of all people over the age of 65 suffer from some sort of chronic illness or disability

- refrenced to Walker, A. Maber, J. Couthard M. Goodard E. and Thomas M (2001) Living in Britain: Results from the 2000 General Household Survery London, The Staionary Office - Taken from: Reader A, (2003). Debates and Dilemas in Promoting Health 2nd Edition. The Open University.
If you have to relate the answer to a Social Care setting, I would use that as a start, then talk about the Health issues that affect the 60%. In the context of Social Health Care, you won't be interested in the 40% of over 65's that have no extra health care needs.
Les x
Thanks very much Les, much appreciated! smile
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well given you are only as old as the woman you feel ..I am currently 38.. sillyhwoar:
But I will be 42 Sunday ..

Aaaw hornybear... I'm 37 will that do??? :shock: wink
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Great to see some really intellegent replies on this one; I frequently suffer the 'wrinkly syndrome' when adding in the contact columns yet sometimes swing with some friends, she 68, he 65 and they both shag like rabbits! And if you find big bellies a problem, just pop into my local Wetherspoons and look at some of the paunches on 20-something lads....! Perhaps attitude is the key, from we oldies ourselves to those who attach the labels. As for myself, I will admit to being old when my willie no longer carries out it's designed function...you may then shoot me!! Cheers, Guys.

You're right laterunner.. there have been some great replies!... and your reply made me smile! wink
Ageism ...means so many different things to different people
my granny is 86 and still going strong (although when i see her it is always this aches and this hurts but she still goes out more nights than i do)!
my dad is 67 and hardly walks and forgets what is was doing, etc.
my mum is 66 and walks 5 miles most days still works and likes to keep fit
there is the old saying 'life begins at 40!' it did for me but i wouldn't have hidden from that birthday no matter what, i am the age i am smile although i am now nearly 41! i am not old nor do i think of myself as middle age ...i am too fit, too outgoing and too open minded to grab my slippers and pip to sit in a comfy care in front of a TV watching repeats!
the government has change law recently .....the bus pass for one both are now 60!
but they have also made laws in the work place ...you cannot call some one old or young within the work place in case you offend them! (i will admit .....we pull each others legs on this one! the week this law came out a lady turned 60 she had evey joke going and she is a fab person and laughed with us and at the law!)
on the point of age with swinging ...i find it funny that so many people feel they have to lie about their age ...on profile etc .....if you decide to meet then don't they relies that perhaps you may work out they are older! (coz it is mostly older people that lie about their age)! i don't think i will ever understand why lie about who you are and your age is part of you.
i will admit ..... i do have an age limit but this is coz i feel i get on with people around my age although i have meet at munches an older man by 12 yrs. (who knocked my socks off passionkiss 69position blast innocent ..... he kept up with me for hours ... fabulous! you know who you are m8 :thumbup: ) and i have meet someone 10 yrs. younger who just wanted bang bang all night ....not me! which is why like to meet people around 34 - 45ish but i will chat to anyone who is nice and honest who i get on with and who can handle the type of person i am, who knows now and then i meet someone younger or older due to the fact that we get on like a house on fire!
old age to me is when you naturally slow down which a different age to everyone, Lissa already said one here old is hopefully around 80 or so, when the body say's 'hay, i want a break!' or at least i hope it is somewhere around my 80's for me!
best of luck with your course work
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well given you are only as old as the woman you feel ..I am currently 38.. sillyhwoar:
But I will be 42 Sunday ..

i'l not walk into this one with my eyes closed but if it is your birthday
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HornyBear passionkiss
if you taking the piss ....well i walked into the frame work! lol