I heard about this on the radio this morning - yes it's very depressing. They were asking people in the street if they thought that victims were "askign for it" by dressing sexily and flirting and a worrying amount of them said yes! :shock:
OK... I'll throw my hat into the ring:
There is never any excuse for ! No matter what the person was doing/wearing/going - No means No!
However, from a male perspective (and that's the only one I've got experience of) there are some women who should be convicted for "enticement" for the way they dress.
My God - that makes me sound so old :shock:
Im just wondering how many of the 1000 have actually been ?
Yes it is depressing I did none of the above but that didnt stop them trying to put some blame on me in court.
and I agree that in this day and age male should also be included
I was talking about this to someone earlier and he interpreted the results as meaning a third of people think is justified in those circumstances. I don't think that's what it means:
If I admit that leaving my car unlocked is likely to result in it getting nicked, I'm not justifying car thieves, I'm just acknowledging their existence.
I heard this on the radio a couple of days ago and it is truly sad that it is that way.....was there any mention in the poll wether more men were asked the questions than women.I fucking hate it when these words get said.."she was asking for it".....it just makes my blood boil because of there mentality!
I don't think you can generalise about it. There are obviously times when the woman is completely blameless, but there are also times when I think a woman should take some responsibility for her actions and behaviour which may have a bearing on what subsequently occurs.
I think it's worrying the number of times men are falsely accused of by women intent on revenge for something else. There was a programme on radio two the other morning about this. It seems there may be more than 2000 innocent men in jail who've been convicted of .
I think is a despicable crime and I wouldn't seek to make any excuses at all for men who commit . They should be locked up for a very long time.
This is a very emotive subject, particularly for women. I hope the responses on the thread will be considered ones.
Bollocks is and no means no. Wish I had been asked, hell I spent an evening with naked people in a swingers club and never thought I could go jump on anyone I felt like...
Although I can sympathise with why people responded to if a woman does not say "no" in a clear fashon. While a man should be sure (and it should be easy to tell) if someone is willing you can see why if asked people may veer towards this answer. Especially after the news of a woman today, indicating in court that she could not remember if she consented or not (through drink). While she may regret what she did in the morning, surely before accusing a man of (which carries a heavy prison sentance, and rightly so) you should be sure what you did?
Obviously cases where the woman is unconcious she did not consent, or you have spiked her drink, etc are clear. However if everyone goes out together, everyone gets drunk, and you say "yes" you cant change your mind in the morning and call that a . I dare say there are a few men who have woken up in the morning and been unhappy with the night before... I think that this is totally different to my view of where some form of force, either psycological (fear) or physical is used. It is very sad that people are saying this case will lead to women not coming forward about genuine . However it was irritating to hear this man after being aquited being called a " " and villanised. We do not have all the facts in the case, and we should go with the courts decision, neither calling the woman a lier, or the man a .
Equally on the original point I would like to know what the actual questions were, and what the answers offered were. It is easy to bias research by loaded questions to support a perception. I hope this was not done.
I'm going to take it as read that is despicable. I won't get started on that, because I might not stop.
What I do want to say though, is that I wish women would not 'cry ' when it wasn't, just because they have other motives, or regretted it in the morning, or whatever. It belittles the hell that women who have actually been have to go through - and it leads to opinions like those mentioned in bluexxx's original post. And it does happen - maybe not often, certainly not most of the time, but it happens and it changes the way people feel about .
is so awful, and destructive, that being a victim of should not be brought into disrepute by people who just kind of wish they hadn't shagged that guy. And it must also be the worst thing in the world to have a drunken shag, and then suddenly find yourself branded a .
Others have mentioned this story already about a man being accused of and the case was thrown out because the female had been too drunk to remember if she had given consent or not.
I’m not here to discuss the rights and wrongs of this case because I don’t know enough about it. But what I can say is that whilst the report was on (BBC news) the news reader was discussing the case while they were showing library shots of a group of young women out on the town, the camera even focused in on a woman wearing red hold ups and then showed a few more women obviously out enjoying themselves while the voice over continued. The visuals along with the voice over were obviously suggestive of ‘women asking for it’. Now what the fuck has that got to do with a case? Is the BBC suggesting that if you wear red stockings you are asking for it? Do they believe that women out with their friends are positively begging to be ?
The BBCs attitude during this report stinks.
Personally given the damage false accusations cause I would protect both the accuser and the accused in or sexual cases until we have a conviction. That protects the innocent (as you are innocent until proven guilty) while still allowing reporting of those found to be guilty. It may even help change attitudes as trials will become less interesting unless they are found guilty, so you will hear more about the successful ones.
it is very depressing that people think this way about something so horrible, that happens more than most relies.
i believe that people who have the view point that if woman dress sexy or with very little on (which i do at times no matter what people think of my little top or skirt)! that they are saying yes to men, this is not the case at all, some of the woman who are on such dark nights like we have at this time of year are people on their way home from work wearing jeans and big coats etc....... a man has the right to wear what he wishes and so do we woman, if a man wears a pair of leather shorts could we say we him coz he looked sexy in those tight shorts!
as to the case in the new at the mo...well, is and i am sure at some point she may or may not have said yes and no due to the amount of drink she had had but the man in question should had relies the state she was in and not had sex with her at all but got her home safely (am i asking too much of mankind here, surly not)! therefor in my view which is only my view.........this is
yes, we woman pricktease but men pussytease and in both cases No is No and Yes is Yes and we both should respect this
men falsely accused of , this happens allot and is becoming more of a trend,in some cases it is true and the man should be locked up but it is not nice to think that some woman do this as some of then do it out of nastiness coz they are unhappy with the man over one thing or another
what is sad is it will be a long time before our law courts find a balance on and how to deal with both problems, and in the mean time more woman and men will pay the price
NN - absolutely everything you said.
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next you will be saying that little girls deserve to be by paedophiles because they wear little dresses :roll: don't push the guilt onto the victim please.
