Apologies but I have a question about routers

20 Oct 2005

We have a wireless network which we connect through a router...
Now last night when I logged off everything was fine (Steve's PC had been turned off since ) but when Steve turned his PC on this morning it has gone haywire...
The antivirus software was telling him that he has a IRC/Flood virus and it had deleted it... He started his mIRC but all the settings have gone and nothing works...
He tried my computer and the same has happened.... Now I have just spent 5 1/2 hours trying to get rid of this flucking thing ( mad

Thank you very much you %$*#@*# who sent it to us) but I just cant get any antivirus programme to recognise it...
Anyhow, my question is this.... Is it possible for a virus to sit in a router waiting for some poor unsuspecting fool to log on??? We are not networked where we can view each others PC's we just all connect through the router, so how the fluck can this happen??
Any help would be gratefully received.... I have run the antivirus in safe mode (having turned off the system restore first) and I have run a couple of worm removal tools but nothing has recognised it dunno

Yours fustratedly
Shireen
xxx
Quick edit to add that all 3 PC's in our house have this flucking virus mad

20 Oct 2005

Can a virus 'wait' in a router and the infect your PCs ?
The simple answer is 'no'. Only another computer could be programmed to do that.
Your PCs aren't visible to each other but are connected to the same router?
Maybe they aren't visible in My Network Places but it might still be possible to communicate between them, if it is indeed a virus that is causing your problems.
That's all I can say.

20 Oct 2005

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: dunno

sorry

20 Oct 2005

What is the name of v? What a antivir program you have? Any firewall? It could be mistake of a-vir (recognized normal aplication as vir).
No....virs are not wait on the end of the wire ;)
xxx
P

20 Oct 2005

Quote by M&P cpl
What is the name of v? What a antivir program you have? Any firewall? It could be mistake of a-vir (recognized normal aplication as vir).
No....virs are not wait on the end of the wire ;)
xxx
P

Is it bad luck to say the "Virus" word?? confused

Is it the modern version of not saying "Macbeth" :shock: :shock:
Oh Bugger!!!! I've said them both now!! confused

20 Oct 2005

Quote by Sgt Bilko
What is the name of v? What a antivir program you have? Any firewall? It could be mistake of a-vir (recognized normal aplication as vir).
No....virs are not wait on the end of the wire ;)
xxx
P

Is it bad luck to say the "Virus" word?? confused

Is it the modern version of not saying "Macbeth" :shock: :shock:
Oh Bugger!!!! I've said them both now!! confused

Ohh I went to see that the other day ....... ;)
Sorry shireen no help here .. our router is buggered and we daren't mess with it now in case it gets worse LOL
C x

20 Oct 2005

Quote by Shireen_Mids
We have a wireless network which we connect through a router...
Now last night when I logged off everything was fine (Steve's PC had been turned off since ) but when Steve turned his PC on this morning it has gone haywire...
The antivirus software was telling him that he has a IRC/Flood virus and it had deleted it... He started his mIRC but all the settings have gone and nothing works...
He tried my computer and the same has happened.... Now I have just spent 5 1/2 hours trying to get rid of this flucking thing ( Thank you very much you %$*#@*# who sent it to us) but I just cant get any antivirus programme to recognise it...
Anyhow, my question is this.... Is it possible for a virus to sit in a router waiting for some poor unsuspecting fool to log on??? We are not networked where we can view each others PC's we just all connect through the router, so how the fluck can this happen??
Any help would be gratefully received.... I have run the antivirus in safe mode (having turned off the system restore first) and I have run a couple of worm removal tools but nothing has recognised it
Yours fustratedly
Shireen
xxx
Quick edit to add that all 3 PC's in our house have this flucking virus

Delete and reinstall mIRC, find the exact name of the virus and then use windows search to find it and manually delete it. Do this for all 3 PCs. It should solve the problem. If the virus is in your boot sector and you can't find it on windows search then unfortunately a really good anti-virus program is needed such as AVG or a complete windows reinstall and hard drive format is required.

20 Oct 2005

Anything taht has software on it can contract a virus. Routers do indeed have software on them, usually created by our loverly Microsoft and so can contract a virus. The ones that can infect routers however are ver specific and rare to come across. Don't point fingers at your hardware until you have narrowed all possibilities of software/OS problems first.
If the router wasn't working then you wouldn't be able to connect to the internet. You wouldn't be able to connect to each others PC's or you wouldn't be able to see the router.
If you had indeed contracted the MIRCFlood virus and your anti virus detected it then chances are it would of been cleaned and all the infected files deleted. This may of deleted some needed files for your MIRC programs to run with so you may need to uninstall and re-install all MIRC or chat programs you have. Pain I know but best to remove everything related to these programs.
The next step is to resetup you PC's network connections. It sounds like the antivirus or windows firewall has been reset and is blocking the communication between the PCs.
If everything else fails then you'll just have to come over here and use my computer naked. Sorry, but I don't make the rules here.... :twisted:

20 Oct 2005

Quote by Sgt Bilko
What is the name of v? What a antivir program you have? Any firewall? It could be mistake of a-vir (recognized normal aplication as vir).
No....virs are not wait on the end of the wire ;)
xxx
P

Is it bad luck to say the "Virus" word?? confused

No...v=easier, shorter, etc :P
Macbeth? I dont think so ;)
xxx
P
PS: try this...
Is free, catching most of troians and other stuff. Or find SpyBot ;)

21 Oct 2005

which router are you using have you enabled all the security systems????

21 Oct 2005

Thanks for the replies folks..
Shireen will be looking into it tonight when she returns home from work (as a mere grease monkey I daren't mess with the pc's)...

21 Oct 2005

I have this as well this morning, all my settings have gone.
AVG has recognised it, there is 4 reports on my aniti-virus - 2 deleted, 2 quarantined.
Reset all my settings and it worked but then AVG said it was there again and has quarantined it.
I'm going to uninstall MirC and re-install as it says its in my program files. will let you know how I get on

21 Oct 2005

Quote by kazswallows
I have this as well this morning, all my settings have gone.
AVG has recognised it, there is 4 reports on my aniti-virus - 2 deleted, 2 quarantined.
Reset all my settings and it worked but then AVG said it was there again and has quarantined it.
I'm going to uninstall MirC and re-install as it says its in my program files. will let you know how I get on

Thats pretty much what we have experienced..
Antivirus says it has deleted nasties and as soon as we use mIRC again bingo.............There they are banghead

21 Oct 2005

Quote by Steve_Mids
I have this as well this morning, all my settings have gone.
AVG has recognised it, there is 4 reports on my aniti-virus - 2 deleted, 2 quarantined.
Reset all my settings and it worked but then AVG said it was there again and has quarantined it.
I'm going to uninstall MirC and re-install as it says its in my program files. will let you know how I get on

Thats pretty much what we have experienced..
Antivirus says it has deleted nasties and as soon as we use mIRC again bingo.............There they are banghead

It hasn't deleted the cause of the problem. Thats what antivirus programs do. The stop all the nasty things from happening but without help from you they can't stop them from occuring again. You have to find the actual program they are comming from. In the registry you will have to remove the specific keys. The files that are quarentined are telling you that the program exsists because the AV couldn't delete these ones.
Depending on the virus name you will have to find out the solution from one of the many great AV websites out there.

21 Oct 2005

Steve mate
Have a good read of Stephs link.
I think you have someone who does not like you as an op. wink

Phredd

21 Oct 2005

Quote by Fred aka Medic 1
Steve mate
.
I think you have someone who does not like you as an op.
Phredd

The list is long but distinguished rotflmao

21 Oct 2005

Erm........ it wasn't me......... i did not press the wrong button this time...... i was not there..... (tries desperately to think of other excuses....... lol)
Sod the pc Shireen........ let's go shopping...... lol
equi-princess xxx

21 Oct 2005

Hi you two passionkiss

Download this from Sophos.

You have to run it in the command prompt in safe mode but I find it works well.
HTH
Kitty xxx

21 Oct 2005

Quote by Kitty
Hi you two
Download this from Sophos.

You have to run it in the command prompt in safe mode but I find it works well.
HTH
Kitty xxx

Bless my Kitty passionkiss

She keeps me (oooooops I mean) my computer pure and unadulterated! redface

I'm sure she can point you in the right direction wink

:grin: :grin:
I hope I don't get the infection :shock: :shock: :shock:

21 Oct 2005

i hope who ever sent it to yet gets something 10X worse
hope my favorite chat room helper gets sorted out really soon

21 Oct 2005

Quote by mattmoleman
Anything taht has software on it can contract a virus. Routers do indeed have software on them, usually created by our loverly Microsoft and so can contract a virus

Sorry, moley but I know of no dedicated commercially available router from any of the network equipment manufacturers that runs M$ software. They will either be running a proprietary OS, firewall and routing software, or the high-end ones (CISCO enterprise routers, for instance) will be running a hardened UNIX variant and firewall. Either way, dedicated hardware router/firewalls are unlikely to contract a virus and even if they did, the virus wouldn't be able to spread to any connected systems as the virus would have been written specifically to compromise the router's OS, which would have totally different opcodes to any of the connected PCs.

21 Oct 2005

If it helps the router is a
Belkin ADSL Modem with Wireless G Router and Wireless g USB Network Adapter

21 Oct 2005

Right update on what I have done
Went into the AVG site as this is the action taken
Back up any important info>>>>>>>.your choice, I didnt rolleyes

Switch off System Restore (as anti-virus cant mess with this and what ever action you take will go there anyway)
Uninstall Mirc
Run anti spyware and virus protection.
Clear ALL logs in both
Turn on System Restore
Reboot computer
Re-install Mirc.
Run anti-virus and spyware.........there should be nothing in them now
(if there is you will need to download whatever fixes advised by your anti-virus or the links provided in this thread and run through the whole of the above again, REMEMBER you must switch of system restore while you are doing all this)
So far this has worked for me didn't need to run anything else.......went into chat for 10mins and anti-virus is silent.........will advise if there is any further problems
NOTE: according to my anti-virus this came in a approx 10pm last night, so anyone in chat at that time is a potential target, apparantly nobody sent it, it just targets a particular area of MirC at a particular time.
Hope this helps

21 Oct 2005

Thanks for all your replies kiss

As it stands I have managed to fix my computer by deleting the nasties from the registry (I tried what you suggested Kaz but it didn't fix the problem) and fingers crossed it has been eradicated.... Steve's and the kids however are another story.... Their's wont boot up... They just get as far as the bit where the black screen should turn blue but it just hangs there... They wont even boot in safe mode... I have tried using the recovery CDRom that came with Steve's PC but when I select the repair option it just takes me to C:Windows command promt... I dont know how to repair it from there dunno

I have just installed a new version of Windows on the kids computer as they didn't have anything worth keeping but would really like to try to repair Steve's as he has stuff on there that I would like to backup....
Ah well....
Shireen
xxx

21 Oct 2005

Quote by Shireen_Mids
Thanks for all your replies
As it stands I have managed to fix my computer by deleting the nasties from the registry (I tried what you suggested Kaz but it didn't fix the problem) and fingers crossed it has been eradicated.... Steve's and the kids however are another story.... Their's wont boot up... They just get as far as the bit where the black screen should turn blue but it just hangs there... They wont even boot in safe mode... I have tried using the recovery CDRom that came with Steve's PC but when I select the repair option it just takes me to C:Windows command promt... I dont know how to repair it from there
I have just installed a new version of Windows on the kids computer as they didn't have anything worth keeping but would really like to try to repair Steve's as he has stuff on there that I would like to backup....
Ah well....
Shireen
xxx

If you want to recover the info on the PC, you could try using an OS that boots from CD, such as Knoppix
This is free and will let you get to the drives of the PC and backup the data. Knoppix is also based on Unix, so any virus written for windows will not run on it.
You will have to have DSL or cable to download Knoppix as it is 695Mb or , depending upon which version you download. You only need the light version to boot up.

21 Oct 2005

Quote by Phoenix
If you want to recover the info on the PC, you could try using an OS that boots from CD, such as Knoppix
This is free and will let you get to the drives of the PC and backup the data. Knoppix is also based on Unix, so any virus written for windows will not run on it.
You will have to have DSL or cable to download Knoppix as it is 695Mb or , depending upon which version you download. You only need the light version to boot up.

If I downloaded this would I be able to:
a) bung it in the CDRom drive and boot from it?
b) be able to understand how to copy the files and how to find then relatively easily??
Sorry for the questions, I am a little :shock: at the minute from spending the last 2 days constantly looking at a computer screen lol

My head is spinning from all the information that I have learnt and my brain is starting to say "system overload" rotflmao

Shireen
xxx

21 Oct 2005

To all of you who are saying that your anti virus program's are recognising and deleting/quaratining the virus only for it to reapear.....
If you are on Windows Xp you MUST disable system restore before you run the virus scan.
To do this :
(1) Right click MY COMPUTER
(2) Left click PROPERTIES
(3) Left click SYSTEM RESTORE
(4) Click Turn off System Restore
restart the pc run the virus scan and then, follow the above instructions again but this time the final option will be Turn On systemrestore

21 Oct 2005

I did that sleazy but it still didnt solve the problem sad

Shireen
xxx
P.S. Just to add Tonight I did this with Steve's PC and when I rebooted after completing the antivrus scan in safe mode that's when his PC decided to stop working

21 Oct 2005

OK, I admit it's not going to be easy. It does take some techy knowledge and a bit of patience.
the direct link UK to the software is

This is an ISO image, so you have to use the "burn from image" option with your CD burning software.
Once you have burnt the CD, you need to make sure that the first boot option on the doddgy PC is "boot from CD".
Then, just drop the CD in the drive and turn on. The software sets itself up (although it does have some difficulty with non std mice) and you will have a window type setup like Windows/Mac.
It has a programme like "File Manager" that you can use to drag and drop onto a floppy or USB stick or a spare HD or partition (that you are not going to format when you reinstall windows).

21 Oct 2005

Thank you so much Phoenix kiss

I will have a go tomorrow when I am feeling a little bit brighter lol

Shireen
xxx

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