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In defence of the deceased Mr Irwin (who I had the pleasure of standing next to, along with Russel Crowe last year....and completely failed to notice!), most people who attack him for being an "arse" are referring to their dislike of his personailty.
Fair play, he wasn't everyone's cup of tea.
However it is almost impossible to knock his achievments. What he's done with Australia Zoo (compared to the small reptile park he inherited) is an impressive achievement in itself. Add to that the raised levels of environmemtal awareness among people (particularly children) around the world, and it is difficult to say logically if not emotively that his loss is not a great one. That is without even entering into the level of economic good he's done to the Queensland tourism industry.
I couldn't stand the Irwin posters/billboards everywhere at Australia Zoo. Now I suspect they will have to change long term...and oddly it saddens me.
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Sorry but I thought he was a complete arse when he was alive.... His stupid stunts were bound to get him killed one day...
There is one Australian here who isn't in mourning despite what the media try to say rolleyes

This "complete arse" who did "stupid stunts" was an inspiration to my eldest daughter. She has an avid interest in wildlife and the environment and intends to become a vet. I also hasten to add that this is the first thing that has captured her imagination and held it.
She received two personal letters from this "complete arse", not typed, hand written, telling her about crocodiles and asking her what she wanted to do when she grew up.
It should be noted that this "complete arse" who did "stupid stunts" has captured a lot of people's imagination and shown them a world that they would never have been aware of.
Not bad going I reckon for a "complete arse". Shame the world does not have a few more of them .......
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Two mobile phone jokes in one thread. That's original Jon, and as a site officer (albeit a Chatroom Op) a totally reprehensible act.

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BTW I didn't say you were ONLY a Chatroom Op, I said 'albeit a Chatroom Op'

The more common use of albeit in a concessive phrase," one that expresses some sort of condesending, yielding, or admitting. In this use albeit can mean 'conceding or admitting that; in spite of the fact that', and the word notwithstanding can sometimes be substituted.
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con‧de‧scend‧ing  /ˌkɒndəˈsɛndɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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showing or implying a usually patronizing descent from dignity or superiority: They resented the older neighbors' condescending cordiality.

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I am and I've expressed them. I think your jokes are sick.

and...
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It wasn't even your joke FFS. At least TRY to be original...

and...
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Of course you are entitled to your opinions, provided they are YOUR opinions and not stolen from somewhere else.

If your going to argue a point, it's not very good to contradict your own arguements....
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...I was actually throwing you a life-line but you were obviously unable to realise that. For whatever reason.

No life line needed. I can hold my head above water very well thank you, I'm an ex Bootneck.
Apart from all that, his chosen path was sure to bring him into danger at some stage, and he (and his wife) often stated in their documentaries of that fact, and that they knew how things could turn out. He paid the ultimate price for doing what he loved doing.
Sod all anyone says can change that fact.
And how many of you can say you never cracked a smile when you got some of the jokes on your phones.......................
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Not bad going I reckon for a "complete arse". Shame the world does not have a few more of them .......

The best thing about opinions ?????????????????
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Two mobile phone jokes in one thread. That's original Jon, and as a site officer (albeit a Chatroom Op) a totally reprehensible act.

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BTW I didn't say you were ONLY a Chatroom Op, I said 'albeit a Chatroom Op'

The more common use of albeit in a concessive phrase," one that expresses some sort of condesending, yielding, or admitting. In this use albeit can mean 'conceding or admitting that; in spite of the fact that', and the word notwithstanding can sometimes be substituted.
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con‧de‧scend‧ing  /ˌkɒndəˈsɛndɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
showing or implying a usually patronizing descent from dignity or superiority: They resented the older neighbors' condescending cordiality.

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I am and I've expressed them. I think your jokes are sick.

and...
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It wasn't even your joke FFS. At least TRY to be original...

and...
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Of course you are entitled to your opinions, provided they are YOUR opinions and not stolen from somewhere else.

If your going to argue a point, it's not very good to contradict your own arguements....
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...I was actually throwing you a life-line but you were obviously unable to realise that. For whatever reason.

No life line needed. I can hold my head above water very well thank you, I'm an ex Bootneck.
Apart from all that, his chosen path was sure to bring him into danger at some stage, and he (and his wife) often stated in their documentaries of that fact, and that they knew how things could turn out. He paid the ultimate price for doing what he loved doing.
Sod all anyone says can change that fact.
And how many of you can say you never cracked a smile when you got some of the jokes on your phones.......................
will you two kiss and make up, and go get a room wink
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John smith, the leader of the labour party who had a heart attack. If he had become prime minister, I think he would have done a better job than Tony Blair.

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Absolutely with you on that one.
De_sade
Interesting (if possibly slightly off topic) posts. John Smith happened at the right time for the Labour Party, and no doubt would have made a very good Prime Minister. Tony Blair (for all his faults) has shown that he has the skills to get Labour elected for 3 terms ( a first in labour history). As much as I admired John Smith, I'm not sure that he could have achieved this.
Interesting posts that you guys made and you have got me thinking. smile
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I think Steve Irwin was an amazing guy....yes I thought he was a bit of an arse but one who deserved respect for what he did for the environment and for animals....
I also felt that the fact that his wife heard about her husband's death on the Radio (or so I heard) is terrible....
RIP to a great guy and one that shall be remembered here with me....
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This "complete arse" who did "stupid stunts" was an inspiration to my eldest daughter. She has an avid interest in wildlife and the environment and intends to become a vet.

Funny you should mention that.....
My daughter has an avid interest in wildlife and she too wants to be a vet.....
In fact its because of this we are off to the safari park on Saturday to meet their new lion cubs,up close and personal,all under the watchfull eye of the handlers......
And she has gained these aspirations without ever having sat and watched "The Crocodile Hunter" ....
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It should be noted that this "complete arse" who did "stupid stunts" has captured a lot of people's imagination and shown them a world that they would never have been aware of.

You mean how to hold you baby son in one arm and feed a hungry croc with the other rolleyes
I'm quite sure that's not what Manolishi meant. rolleyes
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I'm quite sure that's not what Manoloshi meant. rolleyes

Perhaps not hun, but that's the sort of stunt I was referring to.... He quite often happily showed where he had been bitten etc, displaying almost a sense of pride about it. I viewed it as him giving his approval for going around and "baiting" animals in to reacting....
Obviously Australians have a deep sense of respect for croc's, jellyfish, sharks and alike but to a tourist it was made to look like it was okay...
Perhaps that's just the way I viewed it, and perhaps it's because I lived in Australia for 6 years and the majority of Australian's wouldn't ever contenplate going within 6 foot of a wombat let alone a croc dunno
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P.S. Ex-bootneck, eh? Do you mention that by way of excuse or explanation?

Neither - I said:-
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No life line needed. I can hold my head above water very well thank you, I'm an ex Bootneck.

Self explanatory I feel, but just for you - having been a Marine, I could swim very well and have no need of the life line you mentioned.
Just in case you can't draw the connection between Marines and holding your head above water, go look at Thiswebsite and see what the Royal Marines do - very well too, I might ad.
Time out guys.... am going to lock this thread now because it has got lost in yet another argument. I WILL open it in the morning. Perhaps then tempers will have petered out!
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I'm quite sure that's not what Manoloshi meant. rolleyes

Perhaps not hun, but that's the sort of stunt I was referring to.... He quite often happily showed where he had been bitten etc, displaying almost a sense of pride about it. I viewed it as him giving his approval for going around and "baiting" animals in to reacting....
Obviously Australians have a deep sense of respect for croc's, jellyfish, sharks and alike but to a tourist it was made to look like it was okay...
Perhaps that's just the way I viewed it, and perhaps it's because I lived in Australia for 6 years and the majority of Australian's wouldn't ever contenplate going within 6 foot of a wombat let alone a croc dunno
I know where you're coming from Shireen, I also lived there for some time, a percentage of the population does take a dim view of the way Steve did things. Fact remains though he saved hundreds, if not thousands of crocs, and his conservation work will continue in his absence. He has also opened the eyes of millions of pop culture kids who would otherwise, frankly (possibly not possessing the natural curiosity of Steve_Mids's daughter), not have known the difference between a croc and a pokemon.
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Time out guys.... am going to lock this thread now because it has got lost in yet another argument. I WILL open it in the morning. Perhaps then tempers will have petered out!
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meet their new lion cubs,up close and personal,all under the watchfull eye of the handlers......

Edit: Deleted post as it went in after the thread was locked, and caused alarm cos no ability to respond confused
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Ooooh I'm editing in Jags box :shock:
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As promised - unlocked. However, if this thread continues to be a slanging match then it will be deleted..
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Harold Godwin, I wonder just what this island would be like if;
there had been no successful invasion,
women had not been reduced to property,
parliament had not had to go to war against a tyrant king,
and we were building on what was in Harold's reign instead of fighting to recover rights lost in that terrible year.
We will never know, it did not happen, but it would make a good radio game. I think I will call it 'What if...'
Generalised Statement Warning:
Regardless of what you think of the individuals… people who take risks make good viewing because they are taking risks.
The bigger the risk, the more excitement.
People don’t watch risk takers because they think “oh yes that is easy, there is no risk or danger there”
They watch because it is dangerous and because it could go wrong,
Now have a think about that one???
I did see the programs, for the knowledge, I think. Yes he was a risk taker, he took risks I would not. Does that make him a hero or fool?
Is someone who takes higher risks than us interesting, and someone who takes less boring? Are we fixated on disaster? Do we all want to go to the brink? Is that what makes us need such people?
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