No I don't know a lot about that either, but sitting here watching Countryfile I am a little shocked and ashamed and mourning what the world has killed.
Not so long back we had a thread and a great chat on the forums about what our children will never witness, some things were good and some were bad.
Now I am watching a farm, in Pembrokeshire and set up by an organisation that shows the countryside to children who have never visited a farm, never touched a cow or sheep.
Now that's a good thing, but these children are thick, they are stupid and uneducated .... and that is a terrible thing we have inflicted upon them, it is not thier fault, one little girl is telling us that she didn't realise potatoes were grown in the ground, she believed farmers bought them.
Others did not reasise that Pork or bacon came from pigs, or carrots grew in the ground, that milk came from cows, how can that be, even the milk adverts shows some form of connection between the two, how can we let children go through life, growing up without making these connections, what is wrong with parents and schools that allow that situation to exist.
Do you have kids, do they know the basics of life ? should they know ? I mean it's nearly 30 years since my kids were at school, is it me that has the wrong expectations, is it ok to believe everthing is bought in a supermarket somewhere and that crops are not grown but bought, that meat arrives processed and packaged without human intervention.
The biggest worry for me is the fact that our children do not even think about it, they believe things will appear in shops as required, they are oblivious to what farmers actually do, what happens in the countryside, how we get the things we get and that is acceptable to the adult world.
Parents please tell me you would not be happy if you found out your children thought that thier carrots simply arrived in supermarkets from other supermarkets and did not think you could actually grow one.
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Must be bad schools? Our elder one (8) certainly know the basics like that and a lot of it is taught at school. Earlier today she was holding a piece of ham saying this is a pig and the younger one was copying her they were both going oink oink 
" but these children are thick, they are stupid and uneducated .... and that is a terrible thing we have inflicted upon them, it is not thier fault, "
Excuse me, but no child is thick, they after all have a lot to learn like we did, it's all ahead of them. Afterall It's not their fault!
Excuse me, but no child is thick, they after all have a lot to learn like we did, it's all ahead of them. Afterall It's not their fault!
Sex God
These kids are ignorant. And younger kids' ignorance is the fault of their elders.
My son was always clear on where food came from - his fave summer food was eating peas straight out of the pod - lazy bugger didn't even pull the pods off the plants - just left empty ones hanging there.
Sounds like this farmn is doing a great job - maybe the parents learned a thing or two as well.
To be honest I find such ignorance among adults shocking - with so many great programmes like Countryfile, Local Food Heroes (Rick Stein) and Jamie Oliver and River Cottage and all that. Don't some ares of the country get the same telly as us?
Still, a parent can only do what they can. It's how little that is sometimes that is so sad.
Mind you, if Armageddon comes, Darwin will deal with those that can't grow a potato.
My son was always clear on where food came from - his fave summer food was eating peas straight out of the pod - lazy bugger didn't even pull the pods off the plants - just left empty ones hanging there.
Sounds like this farmn is doing a great job - maybe the parents learned a thing or two as well.
To be honest I find such ignorance among adults shocking - with so many great programmes like Countryfile, Local Food Heroes (Rick Stein) and Jamie Oliver and River Cottage and all that. Don't some ares of the country get the same telly as us?
Still, a parent can only do what they can. It's how little that is sometimes that is so sad.
Mind you, if Armageddon comes, Darwin will deal with those that can't grow a potato.
Perhaps the word THICK is wrong the word IGNORANT used by another poster would have been better, but there again don't they mean the same thing.
Some of these kids are 10 years old in the programme, at what point should we expect them to know that a potato and a carrot grow in the ground, might not other children consider them THICK.
How would the kids on "are you smarter than a 10 year old" percieve them ?
And personally I don't think (as I did say) that it is the fault of the kids, thier parents, guardians and schools should be making sure children understand the basics.
As said we have programmes like Jamie and River Cottage, parents should make kids watchit if they don't know where vegetables and meat come from.
I made Sasha watch the Olympic Opening Ceremony this week, she really did not want to, she has never seen an opening ceremony, she wanted to watch the cookery programme, so I made her watch it with nagging, perhaps wrong of me, but by the end of it she was awestruck, she loved every minute of it, was amazed and thoroughly amused as I knew she would be, she has always loved Mr Bean so to see that part of the show was a treat, sometimes you just have to make people learn.
Some of these kids are 10 years old in the programme, at what point should we expect them to know that a potato and a carrot grow in the ground, might not other children consider them THICK.
How would the kids on "are you smarter than a 10 year old" percieve them ?
And personally I don't think (as I did say) that it is the fault of the kids, thier parents, guardians and schools should be making sure children understand the basics.
As said we have programmes like Jamie and River Cottage, parents should make kids watchit if they don't know where vegetables and meat come from.
I made Sasha watch the Olympic Opening Ceremony this week, she really did not want to, she has never seen an opening ceremony, she wanted to watch the cookery programme, so I made her watch it with nagging, perhaps wrong of me, but by the end of it she was awestruck, she loved every minute of it, was amazed and thoroughly amused as I knew she would be, she has always loved Mr Bean so to see that part of the show was a treat, sometimes you just have to make people learn.
Some kids are intelligent and want to learn and do well in life, so they pay attention at school, go to college then onto university, while others simply can't be bothered.
A few years back, Desi (my wife) worked as a teacher's assistant at a school supervising 13-14 year olds and their attitude was summed up by one girl in particular. She said "I don't need to learn about anything, I'm going to go on The X Factor when I'm 16 and become famous". That was an actual quote and you would not believe how prevalent that attitude is.
A few years back, Desi (my wife) worked as a teacher's assistant at a school supervising 13-14 year olds and their attitude was summed up by one girl in particular. She said "I don't need to learn about anything, I'm going to go on The X Factor when I'm 16 and become famous". That was an actual quote and you would not believe how prevalent that attitude is.
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These kids are ignorant. And younger kids' ignorance is the fault of their elders.
:thumbup: and certainly another :thumbup: as well.
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My son was always clear on where food came from - his fave summer food was eating peas straight out of the pod - lazy bugger didn't even pull the pods off the plants - just left empty ones hanging there.
Sounds like this farmn is doing a great job - maybe the parents learned a thing or two as well.
To be honest I find such ignorance among adults shocking - with so many great programmes like Countryfile, Local Food Heroes (Rick Stein) and Jamie Oliver and River Cottage and all that. Don't some ares of the country get the same telly as us?
Still, a parent can only do what they can. It's how little that is sometimes that is so sad.
Mind you, if Armageddon comes, Darwin will deal with those that can't grow a potato.
you are about one of the wisest peeple on this forum, and i love you foxy
I don't care what you call them, uneducated, thick, ignorant, misguided, stupid, deprived none of that matters, concentrating on being PC or pedantic is one of the reasons these situations exist, to some the description of them is more important than what it all means.
At 10 years old not knowing the basics of life is a damning effect that adults have inflicted on the young, we are all responsible for that.
I do not accept that you cannot teach those that do not want to be taught, perhaps to some extent that is true but there has to be a degree that they must be made to learn, if my children had refused to learn the basics they would not have gone to play with friends, watched TV or done anything classed as leisure activity until they did learn, harsh perhaps but as a father I would see it as my duty to make sure my children had enough knowledge to cope with everyday life.
The real worry is that these kids do know where such things come from, but we do not teach them to think, to use reason, to use thier brain, ask them where a carrot comes from they answer "the supermarket" ask them where the supermarket gets them from and they cannot be bothered thinking about the answer, it is easier to say "I don't know"
We all did the same, when your Mother asked you why you did something you went for th easy answer, "I don't know" most of us were taught through that and learned to use our brain, most of us will think about the answer and find it in our brain, but some just cannot be bothered, I don't know is the simple way out. We have to teach children and adults that "I don't know" is not a good answer, we have to teach them to think and use thier brain, or accept them as they are and be prepared to support them in life.
Is it any wonder that people who "don't know" resort to what they do know, we spend more time discussing the benefits they can claim than we do discussing how they can take care of themselves in life.
At 10 years old not knowing the basics of life is a damning effect that adults have inflicted on the young, we are all responsible for that.
I do not accept that you cannot teach those that do not want to be taught, perhaps to some extent that is true but there has to be a degree that they must be made to learn, if my children had refused to learn the basics they would not have gone to play with friends, watched TV or done anything classed as leisure activity until they did learn, harsh perhaps but as a father I would see it as my duty to make sure my children had enough knowledge to cope with everyday life.
The real worry is that these kids do know where such things come from, but we do not teach them to think, to use reason, to use thier brain, ask them where a carrot comes from they answer "the supermarket" ask them where the supermarket gets them from and they cannot be bothered thinking about the answer, it is easier to say "I don't know"
We all did the same, when your Mother asked you why you did something you went for th easy answer, "I don't know" most of us were taught through that and learned to use our brain, most of us will think about the answer and find it in our brain, but some just cannot be bothered, I don't know is the simple way out. We have to teach children and adults that "I don't know" is not a good answer, we have to teach them to think and use thier brain, or accept them as they are and be prepared to support them in life.
Is it any wonder that people who "don't know" resort to what they do know, we spend more time discussing the benefits they can claim than we do discussing how they can take care of themselves in life.
To be fair....I don't think this is limited to the kids or youth of today. I was driving to Telford other day , with two 40 year old plus adults, in the car. We passed under a bridge and I commented that it was one of the very first aqua-ducts built. They said what is a aqua-duct ??? I explained and said it was designed by Thomas Telford......to which they replied.....oh did he take his name after the town then..:doh: !!!!!
I despaired at there lack of knowledge of our heritage.
Also recently I said to another Adult that I was going to Northampton. Now remember that I live in Cannock, close to Stafford and wolverhampton. The person concerned said, oh where about up North is that then. Total lack of geography it seems.
So not limited to kids of today. I do actually think the problem can be in the fact we choose at 13 what subjects to take and what to leave. Should we choose to do History and Geography I guess, the things I mentioned above would not be taught to you.
Food for thought !!
I despaired at there lack of knowledge of our heritage.
Also recently I said to another Adult that I was going to Northampton. Now remember that I live in Cannock, close to Stafford and wolverhampton. The person concerned said, oh where about up North is that then. Total lack of geography it seems.
So not limited to kids of today. I do actually think the problem can be in the fact we choose at 13 what subjects to take and what to leave. Should we choose to do History and Geography I guess, the things I mentioned above would not be taught to you.
Food for thought !!
Warming the Bed
Quote by foxylady2209
These kids are ignorant. And younger kids' ignorance is the fault of their elders.
My son was always clear on where food came from - his fave summer food was eating peas straight out of the pod - lazy bugger didn't even pull the pods off the plants - just left empty ones hanging there.
Sounds like this farmn is doing a great job - maybe the parents learned a thing or two as well.
To be honest I find such ignorance among adults shocking - with so many great programmes like Countryfile, Local Food Heroes (Rick Stein) and Jamie Oliver and River Cottage and all that. Don't some ares of the country get the same telly as us?
Still, a parent can only do what they can. It's how little that is sometimes that is so sad.
Mind you, if Armageddon comes, Darwin will deal with those that can't grow a potato.
i agree completely - i have prepared for armageddon by buying bags of freeze dried potato pellets - which i will plant and grow into fresh mashed potato plants and then squeeze some butter beans for the butter - perfect!!!
Sex God
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Food for thought !!
You might wish Deanno, domestic science don't seem to be a subject at the majority of schools
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I don't care what you call them, uneducated, thick, ignorant, misguided, stupid, deprived none of that matters, concentrating on being PC or pedantic is one of the reasons these situations exist, to some the description of them is more important than what it all means.
At 10 years old not knowing the basics of life is a damning effect that adults have inflicted on the young, we are all responsible for that.
My daughter has had a very good grounding in the basics of life and so I have fulfilled my responsibility to her. How am I responsible for kids of others lack of knowledge?
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I don't care what you call them, uneducated, thick, ignorant, misguided, stupid, deprived none of that matters, concentrating on being PC or pedantic is one of the reasons these situations exist, to some the description of them is more important than what it all means.
At 10 years old not knowing the basics of life is a damning effect that adults have inflicted on the young, we are all responsible for that.
My daughter has had a very good grounding in the basics of life and so I have fulfilled my responsibility to her. How am I responsible for kids of others lack of knowledge?
I think that the suggestion is that as we live in a democracy we all have to take responsibility for the lack of education of children.
It`s a valid argument .....if you agree with and partake in the democratic process you are as responsible for the consequences as anybody else .
Not so. I can vote for a political party which may be elected to government. I have no control over what that government then does once it's in office. I have no control over how the government decides to educate children nor have I any control over whether other parents educate their childfren or not.
If I'm not happy with the government, I can choose not to vote for it at the next election. That's how our democratic system works.
I am no more responsible for the lack of other children's education as I am for the actions of rapists, murderers, violent criminals or anything else that your argument would lay at my door.
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I don't care what you call them, uneducated, thick, ignorant, misguided, stupid, deprived none of that matters, concentrating on being PC or pedantic is one of the reasons these situations exist, to some the description of them is more important than what it all means.
At 10 years old not knowing the basics of life is a damning effect that adults have inflicted on the young, we are all responsible for that.
My daughter has had a very good grounding in the basics of life and so I have fulfilled my responsibility to her. How am I responsible for kids of others lack of knowledge?
I think that the suggestion is that as we live in a democracy we all have to take responsibility for the lack of education of children.
It`s a valid argument .....if you agree with and partake in the democratic process you are as responsible for the consequences as anybody else .
Not so. I can vote for a political party which may be elected to government. I have no control over what that government then does once it's in office. I have no control over how the government decides to educate children nor have I any control over whether other parents educate their childfren or not.
If I'm not happy with the government, I can choose not to vote for it at the next election. That's how our democratic system works.
I am no more responsible for the lack of other children's education as I am for the actions of rapists, murderers, violent criminals or anything else that your argument would lay at my door.
A more succinct and complete misunderstanding of democracy would be difficult to find !!
A more succinct and complete misunderstanding of my post would be difficult to find!!
Simply agrees with Max, I voted to put the government in office to sort out our problems so it's not my fault I have done enough is no excuse, I did not vote for the government who and it's thier fault is not good enough and excuse.
Just because that is the way things seem to be does not mean they are the right way things should be
Just because that is the way things seem to be does not mean they are the right way things should be
Sex God
We are constantly being told "if you don't like what the government is doing you have the power to change it by voting." Implying very strongly that a) my vote will make a differences (which is a statistical impossibilioty) and b) a different government would fix what is wrong (an historical impossibility - they never have)
But now we are being told "Voting isn't enough - you are still responsible for society's ills." I'm bloody well not! I can't be. I CAN responsible for what I have any power over which is my own actions, some of my family's actions and that's about it. I have power over anyone else's actions.
I know how society should work. I imagine we all do. What we all lack is any capacity for changing it beyond our family unit - that's what we pay the government to deal with through schools, hospitals, libraries etc etc etc. If I could possibly do that myself I certainly wouldn't be paying any taxes.
But now we are being told "Voting isn't enough - you are still responsible for society's ills." I'm bloody well not! I can't be. I CAN responsible for what I have any power over which is my own actions, some of my family's actions and that's about it. I have power over anyone else's actions.
I know how society should work. I imagine we all do. What we all lack is any capacity for changing it beyond our family unit - that's what we pay the government to deal with through schools, hospitals, libraries etc etc etc. If I could possibly do that myself I certainly wouldn't be paying any taxes.
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We are constantly being told "if you don't like what the government is doing you have the power to change it by voting." Implying very strongly that a) my vote will make a differences (which is a statistical impossibilioty) and b) a different government would fix what is wrong (an historical impossibility - they never have)
But now we are being told "Voting isn't enough - you are still responsible for society's ills." I'm bloody well not! I can't be. I CAN responsible for what I have any power over which is my own actions, some of my family's actions and that's about it. I have power over anyone else's actions.
I know how society should work. I imagine we all do. What we all lack is any capacity for changing it beyond our family unit - that's what we pay the government to deal with through schools, hospitals, libraries etc etc etc. If I could possibly do that myself I certainly wouldn't be paying any taxes.
:thumbup: Absolutely agree Foxy.
It's too damn easy to abdicate personal responsibility and blame it on "society"
Sex God
I was bought up on a farm so I just never thought about it. Please do not ask me how about big brother I don’t know a thing. I am not sure we all need to know where food comes from. ..unless we find ourselves back in the stone age.
I would not call the kids thick just because they lack some knowledge.
Travis
I would not call the kids thick just because they lack some knowledge.
Travis
Warming the Bed
A poorly educated and ignorant populace is easier to control and lead around by the nose. The dumbing down of education has been going on for decades where now only those with the money can get a top class education either by going to public school or spending a fat wedge of dosh on a house near one of the few decent state schools.
As for thick or ignorant? Sorry but some folk are thick and no amount of PC thought or language will change that fact.
As for thick or ignorant? Sorry but some folk are thick and no amount of PC thought or language will change that fact.
Warming the Bed
When my daughter was 5 we were reading Mrs Beeton's together, at the local city farm (a publicly funded charitable organisation designed to help exaclty those children but instead populated by yummy mummy types and those, like myself, who feel that the decent garden center is worth pushing past the chelsea tractors) my daughter with her zeal for learning was going through the list of what pork product came from where when a snot nosed ignorant psuedo toff child screeched, "mummy is that true?" at that point the appaling pink clad monstrosity made the most horrific choice I have ever seen, she sneered at my mud covered offsping and said "no, that little girl is a horrible little liar, sausages come from sainsburys." my daughter looked up at me and asked me, with wobbling lip and liquid blue eyes to correct the situation, I explained as calmly as I could, that what my daughter had said was clearly explained on the plaque on the beam next to the child, and that the other mother perhaps ought to check that, as it's not a bad thing to be mistaken, after all we were all there to learn, but lying is a very bad thing, she responded with deliberate eloquence what she thought me and my daughter aught to do with ourselves.
The city farm didn't enforce the ban we were given, we have attended many times since and always been welcome, but I'm guessing the woman and her dry cleaner had some discussions, and Tifanee (sic) now knows where sausages, ham, chicken drummers and lamb chops come from, my daughter explained whilst Tifanee's (again sic) mother and I fought it out in the pig pen.
The city farm didn't enforce the ban we were given, we have attended many times since and always been welcome, but I'm guessing the woman and her dry cleaner had some discussions, and Tifanee (sic) now knows where sausages, ham, chicken drummers and lamb chops come from, my daughter explained whilst Tifanee's (again sic) mother and I fought it out in the pig pen.
