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As a teenager i never did the whole binge drinking thing - we were always allowed a drink in our parents company (usually better stuff than we could afford to buy from the offy to)so i did get drunk but the minute i could get served in pubs i didnt make a fool of myself i handled the drink and myself very well.
I knew others who would stand outside the shop waiting for someone to buy them a cheap bottle and hanging about bus stations etc being bloody damn stupid then continually getting chucked out of pubs later in time because of behaviour. Most parents didnt know what their kids got up to but does any parent really know unless they are constantly by your side?
I am hoping the same method as my parents used will work with my son he is 9 now and is allowed 1 small drink on a weekend - thus based on behaviour etc.
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I am hoping the same method as my parents used will work with my son he is 9 now and is allowed 1 small drink on a weekend - thus based on behaviour

Sorry but thats way too young to be partaking of alcohol.....
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I am hoping the same method as my parents used will work with my son he is 9 now and is allowed 1 small drink on a weekend - thus based on behaviour

Sorry but thats way too young to be partaking of alcohol.....
Im sorry but I have to disagree with that, IMHO supervised occasional drinks take away the 'forbidden fruit' element of drinking....you know the old adage, "what you can't have you want all the more!"
My kids have all been allowed the occasional (and i mean occasional and ONLY for very special occasions) drinks, watered with a mixer from a very young age, my eldest used to lick the foam from his dads guinness as a toddler.
All it needs is a responsible attitude from the adults of the country....and by that I mean the adults like the government who control the rules as to legal drinking age and alcohol prices, the adults who strive to make ever more soft drink like alcoholic drinks, the adults who buy for kids on a street corner, and parents who no matter what, love their kids and try to do the best for them, and guide them in the right direction.
Its a tough job being a parent, theres no right way or wrong way, we just have to use our best judgement that is right for our kids and our situations, based on our knowledge, history and circumstances.
big hugs n kisses to Fire kiss :kiss: and one for not so mini Lizard too :kiss: :kiss:
Responsible or not 9 is too young !!!
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Responsible or not 9 is too young !!!

Compared to the 10 , 11 and 12 year olds on the street binge drinking - no i dont think its to young
It is always supervised and like mrs bone always watered down and it always dependant on his behaviour
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Responsible or not 9 is too young !!!

Compared to the 10 , 11 and 12 year olds on the street binge drinking - no i dont think its to young
It is always supervised and like mrs bone always watered down and it always dependant on his behaviour
So a 9 year old drinking isnt worse than a 10,11,or 12 yr old dunno
All of them are too young !!
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Responsible or not 9 is too young !!!

Agreed. What if the child asked for a fag too? Would you give him one of those too? Sorry but I do not buy the, well if we let them have one it will not be forbidden fruit. It is a drug the same as all the others, and letting kids that young drink is a clear signal that they can drink....no matter what the supervision is!! lol
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Responsible or not 9 is too young !!!

Compared to the 10 , 11 and 12 year olds on the street binge drinking - no i dont think its to young
It is always supervised and like mrs bone always watered down and it always dependant on his behaviour
So a 9 year old drinking isnt worse than a 10,11,or 12 yr old dunno
All of them are too young !!
Its a better alternative than him binge drinking on the streets with the other kids - Its controlled
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Responsible or not 9 is too young !!!

Compared to the 10 , 11 and 12 year olds on the street binge drinking - no i dont think its to young
It is always supervised and like mrs bone always watered down and it always dependant on his behaviour
So a 9 year old drinking isnt worse than a 10,11,or 12 yr old dunno
All of them are too young !!
Its a better alternative than him binge drinking on the streets with the other kids - Its controlled
Your also training the child to drink.....
If he behaves he gets alcohol !!!
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Responsible or not 9 is too young !!!

Compared to the 10 , 11 and 12 year olds on the street binge drinking - no i dont think its to young
It is always supervised and like mrs bone always watered down and it always dependant on his behaviour
So a 9 year old drinking isnt worse than a 10,11,or 12 yr old dunno
All of them are too young !!
Its a better alternative than him binge drinking on the streets with the other kids - Its controlled
Oh right. Thats ok then. :shock:
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Responsible or not 9 is too young !!!

Compared to the 10 , 11 and 12 year olds on the street binge drinking - no i dont think its to young
It is always supervised and like mrs bone always watered down and it always dependant on his behaviour
So a 9 year old drinking isnt worse than a 10,11,or 12 yr old dunno
All of them are too young !!
Its a better alternative than him binge drinking on the streets with the other kids - Its controlled
It doesn't make any difference Tan, they'll still do it if they get in with a crowd who do it. We allowed my daughter to have wine and lemonade with us at Christmas' and other special occasions but only from the age of 14, the reason being legally you can allow a child to drink alcohol in parental supervision.
We thought by allowing her a taster she wouldn't go for the drinking in the streets thing, she did anyway.
I do think 9's a little young, maybe 13/14 would be more appropriate. Does a 9 yr old understand what alcohol is all about? I'm not so sure.
And teaching him to be responsible with it
I have my way of doing things you have yours
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And teaching him to be responsible with it
I have my way of doing things you have yours

But it is illegal to give minors drink surely?
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And teaching him to be responsible with it
I have my way of doing things you have yours

But it is illegal to give minors drink surely?
Under the age of 14 I believe it is yes..
Under five years old
It is illegal to give an alcoholic drink to a child under five except under medical supervision in an emergency.
Under 16s
Children under 16 can go anywhere in a pub as long as they are supervised by an adult, but cannot have any alcoholic drinks.
However, some premises may be subject to licensing conditions preventing them from entering, such as pubs which have experienced problems with underage drinking.
16 or 17 years old
Young people aged 16 or 17 can drink beer, wine or cider with a meal if it is bought by an adult and they are accompanied by an adult. It is illegal for this age group to drink spirits in pubs even with a meal.
In Scotland, 16 and 17 year olds can buy beer, wine or cider so long as it's served with a meal and consumed in an area used solely for eating meals.
Under 18 years old
It is against the law for anyone under 18 to buy alcohol in a pub, off-licence, supermarket, or other outlet, or for anyone to buy alcohol for someone under 18 to consume in a pub or a public place.
Some towns and cities have local by-laws banning drinking alcohol in public.
This has some useful advice

and this one too
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'At present, children can drink in the home from the age of five.
But outside, the threshold rises to 18 for people consuming alcohol in licensed premises. However, teenagers having dinner with an adult can drink beer, wine or cider from the age of 16.'
I think 14-ish is acceptable though, in the home and properly supervised. Definitely not as a reward for good behaviour though :shock:
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Responsible or not 9 is too young !!!

Compared to the 10 , 11 and 12 year olds on the street binge drinking - no i dont think its to young
It is always supervised and like mrs bone always watered down and it always dependant on his behaviour
So a 9 year old drinking isnt worse than a 10,11,or 12 yr old dunno
All of them are too young !!
Its a better alternative than him binge drinking on the streets with the other kids - Its controlled
Oh right. Thats ok then. :shock:
Yep it is......for Tans' kids. Thats the way she brings them up and as a parent she makes the decisions for her kids.
I do the same and mine is nine. She may get a drink once or twice a year. I am showing her that drinking is an acceptable activity when undertaken in moderation. My choice, my parenting, my acceptance if my decision comes back to bite me on the bum.
As a kid I was not allowed to touch alcohol. By ninteen I was drying out. So with my childrem I will introduce them to alcohol and instill in them moderation. If it doesn't work......then I can say that both ways do not work.
Dave_Notts
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I think 14-ish is acceptable though, in the home and properly supervised. Definitely not as a reward for good behaviour though :shock:

It isnt used as a reward but behaviour and him being responsible does play a part
dave_notts you basically hit the nail on the head but worded much better kiss
I have seen many suffer at the hands of binge drinking and alcohol abuse 11 people from my year at school all died before they were 21 each and every death binge drinking played a part in.
My method may or may not work if it fails atleast i can say i tried.
Good links mrs bone
I am not breaking a law i am trying to raise my son as i see fit in the best way i can, hopefully teaching some valuable life lessons along the way that he will carry into his adult life
France has a lot less trouble with binge drinking but has more relaxed views on this and wine is served with the main meal even to children it seems to work well.
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I think 14-ish is acceptable though, in the home and properly supervised. Definitely not as a reward for good behaviour though :shock:

It isnt used as a reward but behaviour and him being responsible does play a part
dave_notts you basically hit the nail on the head but worded much better kiss
I have seen many suffer at the hands of binge drinking and alcohol abuse 11 people from my year at school all died before they were 21 each and every death binge drinking played a part in.
My method may or may not work if it fails atleast i can say i tried.
Good links mrs bone
I am not breaking a law i am trying to raise my son as i see fit in the best way i can, hopefully teaching some valuable life lessons along the way that he will carry into his adult life
France has a lot less trouble with binge drinking but has more relaxed views on this and wine is served with the main meal even to children it seems to work well.
But that is France who does not have a binge drinking culture. :shock: But we do over in the UK. If anybody went out on a Sunday over here for lunch in a pub or restraunt they would not serve drink to a minor, or let an adult let their child have alchohol there. That says it all for me.
My choice was that none of my kids would have had alchohol in my presense. I taught them it was an adult thing and they were fine with that and they have not turned to binge drink or excess. I would not have let them as I felt that they would have thought that alchohol was an alright thing, which in the wrong hands it most certainly is not. My decision and it certainly worked for me. lol
i believe that the age limit to buy alcohol should be raised for all the factors that have been addressed on here
There is no way i would allow my children to drink in the house at 9 years old no way! I feel it is too young and I also worry what it could do to their immature bodies a risk i just wouldnt take with my child's health Im afraid.
When I was younger I binge drinked with my friends behind the back of the community centre my poor mum pullin her hair out so jaymar and fire I can understand how u feel. I dont as yet quite know how i am gonna approach the alcohol element to my children as they are 5 and 19mths any ideas would b great guys.
xxxx
right, at the risk of severe flaming and lots of comments, I am gonna stick my head above the trench top here and back up fanny as shes putting up with a lot of fanny bashing!
I have 4 kids age 14, 10, 8 and 4, and as i have written in previous posts I allow them to have the occasional drink, and have done so from the age of 4 or 5. I followed the examples of my parents as they did this with me.
I have a responsible attitude to drink, and have done so all my life. Thats not to say I havent been drunk on the extrememy odd occasion...Im not holier than thou, I'm human.
I am fully aware of what I'm doing and of how much alcohol I am giving them, and would never be so irresponsible to allow them any more than a mere whisker of it in lemonade, cola or ginger ale. I do not force them to have it, and its only given once or twice a year. Its done so with education about whats safe.
That is my decision, my responsibility, my choice. No one elses. We all have different parenting styles, and choose the way we raise our kids differently, whos to say whats right or wrong.
I think Tan has a responsible way of dealing with it IMO, and I think she is doing a top job by her kids.
as is stormy and Fire, Mar and all the other parents who are trying to do right by their kids. I just wanted to stand by her and not let her take all the flak knowing that my kids are/have been younger than hers.
So, let the flaming begin biggrin
Well, apparently at the tender age of three I announced to my amassed family on Boxing day that Aunty M's trifle had too much sherry in it for my liking.... :shock:
So clearly I had a refined palate even at that young age!! rolleyes
No, but more seriously... I remember as a young child being allowed to taste alcohol and even having wine diluted with lots of pop at Christmas etc. It wasn't a big deal. Despite my parents' common sense (I'm the youngest of five - none of the others have done this) I still started drinking with my mates, to be cool, cos I thought it was the thing to do at around the age of 13... and that's 18 years ago - before the so-called binge drinking culture arrived. We did it for kicks, for thrills and because we got away with it. When I ended up having my stomach pumped one night when we had drunk to excess, I was suitably chastised/humiliated/shocked into giving it up. My parents were horrified. I was punished. And I learned my lesson.
I guess what I am trying to say is, don't always immediately blame the parents. I was a bright, academic, well-adjusted and well-brought up kid and I chose to do something because I thought it was cool... I learned. I wouldn't change the way I was brought up.
I'm not a parent yet, but I can appreciate it is hard work. People do what they feel best for their kids. Noone should judge them for it if they are genuinely doing what they think is right for their kids.
Nola x
p.s. Triflegate was never lived down... even years later, my Aunt was always having digs at me about it - apparently there was NOT too much sherry in it at all, and she should know, she'd done a night school class, don'tcha know!! lol
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I guess what I am trying to say is, don't always immediately blame the parents. I was a bright, academic, well-adjusted and well-brought up kid and I chose to do something because I thought it was cool... I learned. I wouldn't change the way I was brought up.
I'm not a parent yet, but I can appreciate it is hard work. People do what they feel best for their kids. Noone should judge them for it if they are genuinely doing what they think is right for their kids.
Nola x
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I personally don't agree with giving anyone under the age of 18 (and above actually) alcohol. That doesn't mean that I remained abstinent before that age. (Although I was tea-total from the age of 19 until 33 because I wanted to be)
To some extent people can judge anyone they like if they think that someone is parenting badly. I would no more advocate buying my son alcohol than I would giving him cannabis, heroin etc. Legalities aside they are all drugs.
Do I think that Tan or BD or anyone else are wrong? I have no idea. I don't know them and more importantly I don't know their children. I do know that most parents act in the best way that they can with the information they have. If it works for them and they get the results they are seeking then they are doing a fantastic job. All power to their elbow and other such supportive phrases.
If they don't get the results they seek then I know that there will be plenty of people here and in the real world to make them feel like a great big pile of shit for trying.
Ultimately, as parents, we do the best we can with the information we have.
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right, at the risk of severe flaming and lots of comments, I am gonna stick my head above the trench top here and back up fanny as shes putting up with a lot of fanny bashing!
I have 4 kids age 14, 10, 8 and 4, and as i have written in previous posts I allow them to have the occasional drink, and have done so from the age of 4 or 5. I followed the examples of my parents as they did this with me.
I have a responsible attitude to drink, and have done so all my life. Thats not to say I havent been drunk on the extrememy odd occasion...Im not holier than thou, I'm human.
I am fully aware of what I'm doing and of how much alcohol I am giving them, and would never be so irresponsible to allow them any more than a mere whisker of it in lemonade, cola or ginger ale. I do not force them to have it, and its only given once or twice a year. Its done so with education about whats safe.
That is my decision, my responsibility, my choice. No one elses. We all have different parenting styles, and choose the way we raise our kids differently, whos to say whats right or wrong.
I think Tan has a responsible way of dealing with it IMO, and I think she is doing a top job by her kids.
as is stormy and Fire, Mar and all the other parents who are trying to do right by their kids. I just wanted to stand by her and not let her take all the flak knowing that my kids are/have been younger than hers.
So, let the flaming begin
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I am certainly not going to " flame " anyone, as would no doubt get told off again so have to tone things down.
Drinking alchohol is an " adult " thing, and an adult is 18 years of age or over. I can never understand how you cannot buy drink till you are 18 and cannot drink it in a public place till you are 18, yet are allowed to let children drink it in the home at 5 years or above? :shock: That is a crazy law but one that is impossible to police. Like fags which has just been raised to 18 to buy them...why? Because Government deem you should be an adult to partake in it. Would giving a fag to a 12 year old be any different?
I appreciate that others have different views from me and am not going to be drawn into an argeument. Lets just say I have my views and others have theirs, and let others make their minds up as to what they would do. I also appreciate everyones views on this thread. wink :wink:
As a frequent and often excessive drinker from a very early age,I have never committed any sort of crime or behaved anti-socially due to is no problem with binge drinking in this country ,there is a problem with the social fabric of this media hysteria about drinking is both hypocritical (no-one drinks more than journalists, alcoholism is a serious problem in the media) and a smoke long as the media and politicians can keep the attention of the public fixed on binge drinking (only the working class alcopop lambrini kind you understand,it's ok to behave appalingly as long as you drink champagne)then they may not notice the real problems they suffer.
There is no binge drinking problem in this country,there is and has been since the 80's a concerted campaign by the media to belittle insult and degrade the working classes
I wholeheartedly agree with an age rise on alcohol. Its awful dealing with drunken young people. Even more so when drugs are involved as well. Cider and Vodka always seemed to be the most popular drink, though I have confiscated whisky from 11 yrs olds before now. Even had parents or big brothers come in and ask for the drink back the next day confused
The main issue I have are with shops that sell drink to them, I used to complain at least half a dozen times a week to our one local shop that sold it. I also campaigned with others for the closure of it (eventually did mainly due to ram raids).
This community had/has a huge problem with underage drinking, they had no pubs and very few shops so it wasn’t in young peoples faces. They rarely watched TV as they spent most of their time on the streets, neither bought magazines (money was spent on booze and drugs). So where did the influence come from?? Other young people/adults,? Parents? Boredom? Lack of activates/choices on offer for them to become involved in? More money? Cheap drink? Over 18‘s who got cajoled into buying it for them outside shops etc?? It doesn’t matter in some respect as its seen to be big, cool and its fun and young people will do it if they chose to. Some experiment for a few years and it wears off, others carry on into adult hood.
I’m not sure what the answer is but I tend to agree with Toohot on it being a culture thing. All I know is that it can be so destructive in young peoples lives and can lead to violence and even death in some cases. I think Asda is going the right way as a start, lets hope other supermarkets follow suit.
The phrase "Painting the town red" came from Melton Mowbray when adults had a bit too much to drink after a fox hunt. They then painted a house or two, got arrested and had a bit of a fight.......sometime in the last century or two.
The gin drinking in this country in the 18th century is very similar to our drug culture nowadays.
What have them two statements got to do with this thread? It is all historical. Nothing has changed, we just know more about it because of the media. What is the only way to try to erradicate it? Ban the lot. Fags, booze, drugs, etc. Will it work? Doubtful, as the blackmarket will raise its head and make sure there is enough for all who want it.....at a price. So fiddling around the edges by raising the age of consent a year here and year there will not change a thing.
An 18 year old can make money off the younger ones by nipping in and buying the booze for a 10% cut of the money. So it will not die out as there is a demand for it.
Dave_Notts
As a frequent and often excessive drinker from a very early age,I have never committed any sort of crime or behaved anti-socially due to is no problem with binge drinking in this country ,there is a problem with the social fabric of this media hysteria about drinking is both hypocritical (no-one drinks more than journalists, alcoholism is a serious problem in the media) and a smoke long as the media and politicians can keep the attention of the public fixed on binge drinking (only the working class alcopop lambrini kind you understand,it's ok to behave appalingly as long as you drink champagne)then they may not notice the real problems they suffer.
There is no binge drinking problem in this country,there is and has been since the 80's a concerted campaign by the media to belittle insult and degrade the working classes/quote]
A very political statement! :shock: So the two families that have been blighted by underage drinkers who killed members of their families, would not say that alchohol played a major part? Or the youngsters who go abroad with the sole intention of getting smashed at every opportunity? Or the European perception of our younsters and drink?
I believe the people who have to deal with this problem everyday....the police and the hospital figures that say, binge drinking is a massive problem in this country. I believe that most would agree there is a binge drink problem amongst the young in this country. lol
I can't agree that telling a child that alcohol is for adults only will stop them trying it. I certainly remember wanting to 'be like Mum' from a young age. I tried her makeup (ended up like Coco the clown), her shoes (nearly broke my ankle) and her sherry (threw up). For many children if you tell them 'adults only', they will try it - not because they are being defiant, but they want to be grown up.
The same applies to kids out on their bikes with mum and dad - kids in helmets, parents without - guess what the kids do with their helmets the first time they go out on their own.
When I was at Uni a lot of people went a bit wild in the first few weeks. The worst, both for getting smashed every night and shagging anything that would stand still long enough, were the ones who had come from strict, sheltered homes where they had been children until their 18th birthday and then expected to be adults.