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how far do you want to go?

Some would say as far as you'll let me :lol2:
Sorry redface
I'll get my coat :-(
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But I 'think' the general grip is that is is not made clear on the 1st post of a thread, which IMO is where it should be, not in an email or pm sent out a little bit later on.

That would be my issue :thumbup:
If I was on the guest list, I would now be saying I wouldn't go.
As for charging differently if you are female/male/couple, no way do I think that is fair!
how far do you want to go?
What are you talking about? Spelling mistake? No surely not innocent
Quote by Dawnie
But I 'think' the general grip is that is is not made clear on the 1st post of a thread, which IMO is where it should be, not in an email or pm sent out a little bit later on.

That would be my issue :thumbup:
If I was on the guest list, I would now be saying I wouldn't go.
As for charging differently if you are female/male/couple, no way do I think that is fair!
how far do you want to go?
What are you talking about? Spelling mistake? No surely not innocent
pmsl thats not far you changed it!
I'd fire onto the original post for the organisers to explain why theres a difference in pricing.
No one minds coughing up for things if its fair and across the board. It does come across to me a bit to professional in respect of tempting single fems by charging nothing and then expecting the single guys/couples to divvi up more than what should be an equal share.
I am on the list for this social and I have now received details of the venue etc. It is the function room of an ordinary pub, and there is a DJ booked. On the one hand I do agree in principle that pricing should be the same for single guys and single girls, but in this case there are only TWO single females on the attendee list, so it isn’t going to make any real difference overall but just maybe the free entry will attract a few extra ladies. There are around 80 people listed to attend, of which perhaps around 55 – 60 will turn up on the night – say £240 taken on the door. Now I don’t know how much the venue cost to book, nor the charges for a good DJ, but it doesn’t look to me as though anyone is going to make any massive profits out of us.
lassy09 wrote:
I have had a few people moaning at me and now saying they wont go to this.

I thought easycome was organizing it not you... :silly:
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I am on the list for this social and I have now received details of the venue etc. It is the function room of an ordinary pub, and there is a DJ booked. On the one hand I do agree in principle that pricing should be the same for single guys and single girls, but in this case there are only TWO single females on the attendee list, so it isn’t going to make any real difference overall but just maybe the free entry will attract a few extra ladies. There are around 80 people listed to attend, of which perhaps around 55 – 60 will turn up on the night – say £240 taken on the door. Now I don’t know how much the venue cost to book, nor the charges for a good DJ, but it doesn’t look to me as though anyone is going to make any massive profits out of us.

Thats not the point though really....
If the organiser wanted more bias towards single females and couples then being a social they have every right to restrict how many single guys are invited......
Its one thing charging single guys more to get into clubs where the emphasis is on people going to have sex but as a social the emphasis is supposed to be on meeting others in a no pressure atmoshphere with no play....
Quote by HJ

I am on the list for this social and I have now received details of the venue etc. It is the function room of an ordinary pub, and there is a DJ booked. On the one hand I do agree in principle that pricing should be the same for single guys and single girls, but in this case there are only TWO single females on the attendee list, so it isn’t going to make any real difference overall but just maybe the free entry will attract a few extra ladies. There are around 80 people listed to attend, of which perhaps around 55 – 60 will turn up on the night – say £240 taken on the door. Now I don’t know how much the venue cost to book, nor the charges for a good DJ, but it doesn’t look to me as though anyone is going to make any massive profits out of us.

Quote by easycome2003_1
VENUE DETAILS have now been sent out , please let me know if you havnt received an email ty xx This is the list for the social
DERBY SOCIAL now booked 13 November 2009, please ask for an invite all welcome , we would be most greatful for your support for this event
this social will be held at a new venue which holds 120 people, there is a large carpark at rear of venue , this social has been organised due to popular demand .please not this event is advertised on other sites ty
my best mate minx will be doing the disco and games xx
Single females
Buxom-Minx
Kinky_K_01
katte-notts
8 extra from another site 68 on list so far
IF your name isnt on this list you wont get in so sorri , this is due to limited places for this events ty, please dont not add your name to this event if you have no intention of attending .

It says clearly that Minxy will be doing the disco. It also says that there are 8 people going from another site - how do you know they aren't females?
I'd be taking my name off the list if I got that PM with prices etc. Clearly the organiser has an idea that it might not be acceptable, otherwise why not be upfront and mention prices on the initial post? confused
Quote by Freckledbird

I am on the list for this social and I have now received details of the venue etc. It is the function room of an ordinary pub, and there is a DJ booked. On the one hand I do agree in principle that pricing should be the same for single guys and single girls, but in this case there are only TWO single females on the attendee list, so it isn’t going to make any real difference overall but just maybe the free entry will attract a few extra ladies. There are around 80 people listed to attend, of which perhaps around 55 – 60 will turn up on the night – say £240 taken on the door. Now I don’t know how much the venue cost to book, nor the charges for a good DJ, but it doesn’t look to me as though anyone is going to make any massive profits out of us.

Quote by easycome2003_1
VENUE DETAILS have now been sent out , please let me know if you havnt received an email ty xx This is the list for the social
DERBY SOCIAL now booked 13 November 2009, please ask for an invite all welcome , we would be most greatful for your support for this event
this social will be held at a new venue which holds 120 people, there is a large carpark at rear of venue , this social has been organised due to popular demand .please not this event is advertised on other sites ty
my best mate minx will be doing the disco and games xx
Single females
Buxom-Minx
Kinky_K_01
katte-notts
8 extra from another site 68 on list so far
IF your name isnt on this list you wont get in so sorri , this is due to limited places for this events ty, please dont not add your name to this event if you have no intention of attending .

It says clearly that Minxy will be doing the disco. It also says that there are 8 people going from another site - how do you know they aren't females?
I'd be taking my name off the list if I got that PM with prices etc. Clearly the organiser has an idea that it might not be acceptable, otherwise why not be upfront and mention prices on the initial post? confused
The very very original post was a "thinking about doing a social in derby" so i imagine costs, venue and dj had probably not been confirmed then...
Considering that all socials and munches organised on this site have to be a non-profit event then the organisers of this, or any other event should be able to produce receipts for all expenditure. For some reason there seems to be a different cost for different people, but if the organiser has the receipts to prove WHY a male costs more than a female and they have them available on the night (which, there is no reason why they would not have) then I personally cant see a problem. :-?
Incase anyone is interested, the new social and munch guidelines are now available in a PDF format, and the document setting out the site policy on Socails can be found here - http://new.swingingheaven.co.uk/assets/Munch_and_Social_Guidelines.pdf
Well having heard the pricing structure I think this is a strong case for members of the Admin team taking a long hard look at the receipts....
Even dodgy book-keeping wont make it seem more expensive for a male to attend than a couple ....
The more I think about it the more suspect it seems....
Quote by Sweetshybabe
lassy09 wrote:I have had a few people moaning at me and now saying they wont go to this.

I thought easycome was organizing it not you... :silly:
at no point have i said who's social it is! I stated a derby one x
Seems ive got you all thinking today for sure!
hiya all just read all the post about pricing and do agree we organise the arnold nottingham social meets we used to gharge but now ours are free i no a lot who have posted on this thread come to our socials rooms arnt free and our dj is defenitly not free he is really good then there is the cost of the buffet but we dont do it to make money we do it for some ware of lots of like minded ppl can meet and i wud just like to say thanks to sexy cpl notts who advertise social on here but agree every body shud pay the same hope to see u all at xmas fancy dress social lots of love tim and joannexxxxx
well this just goes to show why i stopped organising the BBW bashes at chams
i never once made any money from it(we had free entry on the night of the social only whoopdee do) and the price structure was set by the club and it was in a club as i had a lot of bbw friends that wanted to try out the club scene but were nervous so i initially thought it a good idea and it seemed i was right as they just grew and grew in popularity but after a number of posts on here critizising the organisers of socials i really can't b arsed with it any more i'm fed up with the finger pointing
i have another friend that organises socials ( pub back room type) and only charges the measily sum of £3 per head, regardless of gender or relationship status, and i know for fact that these have run at a loss in the past yet they still make the effort to book a room organise a disco and karaoke and put on a fab buffet, my point being i think its a bargain at twice the price and if not for the likes of my friends and many others like them there would not b socials for you moany ole buggers to go to ffs
yes i agree that the price should b the same across the board but please realise that those that take the time and effort to organise these events for your enjoyment do deserve i lot less flack than u lot see fit to give um
*****puts on flack jacket n waits patiently*****
Quote by bouncy332
well this just goes to show why i stopped organising the BBW bashes at chams
i never once made any money from it(we had free entry on the night of the social only whoopdee do) and the price structure was set by the club and it was in a club as i had a lot of bbw friends that wanted to try out the club scene but were nervous so i initially thought it a good idea and it seemed i was right as they just grew and grew in popularity but after a number of posts on here critizising the organisers of socials i really can't b arsed with it any more i'm fed up with the finger pointing
i have another friend that organises socials ( pub back room type) and only charges the measily sum of £3 per head, regardless of gender or relationship status, and i know for fact that these have run at a loss in the past yet they still make the effort to book a room organise a disco and karaoke and put on a fab buffet, my point being i think its a bargain at twice the price and if not for the likes of my friends and many others like them there would not b socials for you moany ole buggers to go to ffs
yes i agree that the price should b the same across the board but please realise that those that take the time and effort to organise these events for your enjoyment do deserve i lot less flack than u lot see fit to give um
*****puts on flack jacket n waits patiently*****

I thnik the flack is only happening due to the disparity in the pricing structure...
I have been to socials at clubs and fully understand that the club sets the admission charges and I certainly dont mind paying my way at a munch......When the glass comes round I always put £5 in and have been known to put £10......
ive never been to a social where there were different charges for different people, apart from a club meet where the club pricing dictated the charge.
i dont think anyone should pay more than another and nor (if it is the same social) the fact that there are only 2 single females justifies that the females get in free.
I have organised socials and a munch myself and am well aware that room hire and dj's are by no means free, the door charge is to cover these costs and any over and above that goes to charity.
some people charge a fee for a house party, thats up to them, but i for one wouldnt attend, and i wouldnt attend a social where the cost wasnt even across the board, its just wrong
Glasgow, Edinburgh, Manchester, Wigan, Bolton, Birmingham, Leicester, Oxford, Bristol, Winchester, London, Essex, Plymouth, Sheffield, Leeds, Nottingham, Wakefield, Middlesboro,
all places where I have been to munches and socials and a few of those on multiple locations....
I have organised munches, the decision I took was to make it free to everyone, and all the money going to charity....
all those events..all over the country... 5 yrs of going to SH socials.... all have either been free and everyone has contributed....... or charged per head, where everyone has always pay the same.....
don't let derby be the first to break this.....
I've organised a social some time ago. It was free for everyone who attended. No DJ, no buffet and no door charge because it was in a pub. People ate before they got there and the background music was just fine, because people went to socialise with likeminded people. They could hear the people they were chatting with and everyone enjoyed it - and there were only two no-shows. I'd had to turn down at least 30 people too. There's no need for any charge at all.
Quote by Freckledbird
I've organised a social some time ago. It was free for everyone who attended. No DJ, no buffet and no door charge because it was in a pub. People ate before they got there and the background music was just fine, because people went to socialise with likeminded people. They could hear the people they were chatting with and everyone enjoyed it - and there were only two no-shows. I'd had to turn down at least 30 people too. There's no need for any charge at all.

There is if you want to hire a room etc and sometimes the numbers attending means that is the only way (can you imagine 100+ people pilling into a pub :shock: ) but the charge should be a constant regardless of gender or status....
Quote by HJ

I am on the list for this social and I have now received details of the venue etc. It is the function room of an ordinary pub, and there is a DJ booked. On the one hand I do agree in principle that pricing should be the same for single guys and single girls, but in this case there are only TWO single females on the attendee list, so it isn’t going to make any real difference overall but just maybe the free entry will attract a few extra ladies. There are around 80 people listed to attend, of which perhaps around 55 – 60 will turn up on the night – say £240 taken on the door. Now I don’t know how much the venue cost to book, nor the charges for a good DJ, but it doesn’t look to me as though anyone is going to make any massive profits out of us.

Thanks for clearing it up that it's in a pub and not a swinging club... BUT there is still the unanswered question of why are some people being charged and others not?
Lil x
Quote by Steve
I've organised a social some time ago. It was free for everyone who attended. No DJ, no buffet and no door charge because it was in a pub. People ate before they got there and the background music was just fine, because people went to socialise with likeminded people. They could hear the people they were chatting with and everyone enjoyed it - and there were only two no-shows. I'd had to turn down at least 30 people too. There's no need for any charge at all.

There is if you want to hire a room etc and sometimes the numbers attending means that is the only way (can you imagine 100+ people pilling into a pub :shock: ) but the charge should be a constant regardless of gender or status....
There were 80+ people at the one I organised - I went and asked the pub well before the planned date and they were OK with the numbers - no charge because they knew money would be spent in the bar.
Well as the organiser of chams socials i have no say in the price structure for admission. However the price to get in on social night is always less than the regular price. And no membership is needed so it is an exerlent oportunity for non members to see if they like the place and would like to become members without paying up front. It is a good venue to meet and to play if required. The price is and always has been on the op. The organiser gets in free that night and that is very pleasant for us as it does take a bit of organising. Hope that justifies us that organise club meets. We do it beacuse we enjoy it and hope to share in some fun with other sh members.
As for a function in a pub i agree all expenses should be covered. However i think there is no reason why anyone should have a differing price structure based upon gender and marital status. What is this sexual equality stuff . As a woman i work and earn as much as a man , at a social i take up the same space and eat the same amount of food.
Is this social being organised by single fems by any chance?
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Well as the organiser of chams socials i have no say in the price structure for admission. However the price to get in on social night is always less than the regular price. And no membership is needed so it is an exerlent oportunity for non members to see if they like the place and would like to become members without paying up front. It is a good venue to meet and to play if required. The price is and always has been on the op. The organiser gets in free that night and that is very pleasant for us as it does take a bit of organising. Hope that justifies us that organise club meets. We do it beacuse we enjoy it and hope to share in some fun with other sh members.

That will be why I said this
Quote by Steve
http://new.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/299741.html
A properly advertised club social....
Admission prices are set by the club and everyone knows from the outset....
Quote by Freckledbird
I've organised a social some time ago. It was free for everyone who attended. No DJ, no buffet and no door charge because it was in a pub. People ate before they got there and the background music was just fine, because people went to socialise with likeminded people. They could hear the people they were chatting with and everyone enjoyed it - and there were only two no-shows. I'd had to turn down at least 30 people too. There's no need for any charge at all.

bet that was a blast rolleyes
if people have to outlay money to arange socials then they have to cover their one expects something for nothing!! or shouldent,anyone who aranges a social and puts in all that time and effort gets a big pat on the back from me.
Hello.. Im Minxie wave
Ive been asked to do the entertainment at this social. I have been doing this for approx 7yrs now in and around the east Midlands.
As an SH member I have quoted half my normal fee to do this particular gig.
I also know the room cost is a 3 figure sum. In defence of the organiser... I can assure everyone she is 100% trustworthy and has said
"that should there be anything over the costs I will donate it to a charity".. I have suggested 'Help for heroes'
But I also know as the room cost is high she is worried there will not be enough to even cover it.
Im unsure about the reasons for the price differences but I can again assure you that there would never be any attempt by her to do anything diseptive. Any of you who truely know her KNOW she isn't like that.
Im sure this has just not been thought out properly. When I last spoke to her it was mentioned there would be a 'price per person' so Im unsure whats happenned here.
Im sure any pm's direct would have been a nicer way to ask about this...
'Talk about jumping in with a lynch mob! :kick: Was it really nessasary to start a thread & pick someone out before they'd been given a chance to explain?? dunno A little unkind I think.
If anyone in SH authority would like to maybe contact her direct if they require any reciepts Im sure that too will be fine.
Thanks
Minxie :rascal: xx
Quote by Bear69
if people have to outlay money to arange socials then they have to cover their one expects something for nothing!! or shouldent,anyone who aranges a social and puts in all that time and effort gets a big pat on the back from me.

and no one is saying that organiser's should be left out of pocket at all....
what people are querying is why there are there seems to be a different pricing for everyone when if it is a social that isn't a club venue.... hence the charging per head that has gone on at every social/munch before this one......
Have we solved it yet,,,,,,,,,,,, rolleyes
Has anyone actually asked the organiser?? If anyone had actually her and then given her a chance to say whats what.. then maybe we would know.. Im not the oganiser, Im just working it. Im sure theres been a mistake here somewhere along the lines.. I just dont think its fair to persecute one individual until we know whats happened???
Minxie
Quote by fabio

if people have to outlay money to arange socials then they have to cover their one expects something for nothing!! or shouldent,anyone who aranges a social and puts in all that time and effort gets a big pat on the back from me.

and no one is saying that organiser's should be left out of pocket at all....
what people are querying is why there are there seems to be a different pricing for everyone when if it is a social that isn't a club venue.... hence the charging per head that has gone on at every social/munch before this one......
There's no need for any charge at all.
i was answering that part of frecks post fabs. wink
Quote by Buxom-Minx
If anyone had actually asked the organiser and then given her a chance to say whats what.. then maybe we would know.. Im not the oganiser, Im just working it. Im sure theres been a mistake here somewhere along the lines.. I just dont think its fair to persecute one individual until we know whats happened???
Minxie

tbh minx i think it should be charged per head at a fixed rate.
but as only two fems are attending,its just sumat over nothing.dunno
and you are right it shouldent turn into a witch