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This is aimed at the Chatroom Addicts who visit The Forum.
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Nanniebots 'fool chatroom paedophiles'
A talking computer program is turning the tables on paedophiles by fooling them into thinking they are holding e-mail conversations with children, it has emerged.
In fact they find themselves trying to groom "nanniebots" - software characters with human-like personalities.
If a nanniebot detects classic signs of activity, such as an adult posing as a child, it sends out an alert. The British IT consultant who developed the system, called ChatNannies, claims tip-offs from his software have already led to police investigations.
Jim Wightman, from Wolverhampton, has so far sent 100,000 nanniebots incognito into chatrooms.
Each one is capable of sustaining a natural-sounding conversation, drawing on the Internet to obtain information about pop and youth culture.
Every nanniebot also has dozens of parameters assigned at random to give it an individual "personality".
They are so good at passing themselves off as young people that in conversations with 2,000 chatroom users no-one has yet spotted that they are not human.
The nanniebots are programmed to send transcripts of suspicious conversations to Wightman. If they raise sufficient concerns he relays the information to the police, including the e-mail address of the suspect user.
Chris Atkinson, Internet Safety Officer at the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, told New Scientist magazine: "If this software works, then it would be marvellous because there is nothing like this out there."

I WONDERED WHERE ALL THOSE ZZGUESTS CAME FROM.
On a more serious note, this is one of the reasons why we at Swinging Heaven have Chatroom Rules and the System Op's boot out suspicious or dubious characters. Being spy'd on by softwear is something we may have to be wary of in the future. Big Brother in the form of Mr. Jim Wightman is someone we don't want or need at least in this chatroom.
Harry0
It's much more fun being on the winning side.
George Armstrong Custer.
There's an article on nanniebot in New Scientist this week, which includes a transcript of a conversation with it. It's scarily good. I did manage to guess correctly, but I was a long way from certain. If I hadn't been told in advance that one was a bot, I wouldn't have known.
Harry
is this not a goofd thing
I know that thw Admin Mods and sysops here follow a strict code but we sure would not want anyone here that would engage with under age posters..
I am assuming that the software does not lead the respondent on, till it is too late...
we all have as adults the opportunity to bail out if we suspect something not quite right.... and if male ego prevents that maybe we should now consider it,....
Sorry just thinking anythink that protects kids is good.... as adults we rare here voluntarily and can always say no...
Gmanxxx
I don't think the SH chatroom has anything to worry about from Nanniebot itself - I expect the ops boot children fast enough that it's a waste of time for paedophiles. But the technology exists, it will only get better, and it will be used. We already don't know who we're talking to. Soon it'll be a question of what we're talking to.
From my point of view, that's OK. I don't visit chat rooms all that much, but when I do I go there to chat. If a conversation is entertaining, does it matter that it's a man, woman, or computer on the other end?
If you're there to meet people to meet, you'd care a lot more.
first we`ve heard about these nanniebots,but normal adults in an adult chatroom,have nothing to fear,its when adults go into kids/teens chatrooms that these nanniebots will no doubt be invaluable to protect youngsters,and any adult that goes into kiddie chatrooms needs castrated lol ,just on a similar a kid goes into an adult chatroom and entices a man/woman to a meet,will the nanniebot owner report the child to the police confused:
Hello DJohn,
The New Scientist was mentioned as the source of this information in the AOL report.
Whilst I, and I hope every member of Swinging Heaven, believes that all paedophiles should get their ' just deserts' under the full weight of the law. The article states over 100,000 of these bots have been sent out. Therefore a large number of chatrooms must have been visited on numerous occasions, possibly including ours.
Not being a computer whizz, I am wondering if there is any way these bots can be detected? We have an 'Adult Chatroom' which is, in the main, a very friendly place to visit. The rules and indeed the system itself automatically bans anyone entering the room with the words: boy, girl, and child in their nickname, but beyond that the SyOps have to use their own judgement as to the age of any particular room visitor.
We do not want genuine members being frightened off, by the thought that they are being watched by Big Brother.
Harry0
It's much more fun being on the winning side.
George Armstrong Custer.
If you knew the IP address of the machine(s) running the bots, the operator of a chat room could probably tell. Also, I suspect that current bots wouldn't stand up to a long enough interrogation by a suspicious op.
It's only a matter of time before good enough bots get into the hands of the general public. Then it will be impossible to tell. Judging from the transcripts of recent Loebner Prize contests, that will be a while. I don't know what Nanniebot is doing, and the author seems very reluctant to reveal any details of the technology.
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Harry
is this not a goofd thing
I know that thw Admin Mods and sysops here follow a strict code but we sure would not want anyone here that would engage with under age posters..
I am assuming that the software does not lead the respondent on, till it is too late...
we all have as adults the opportunity to bail out if we suspect something not quite right.... and if male ego prevents that maybe we should now consider it,....
Sorry just thinking anythink that protects kids is good.... as adults we rare here voluntarily and can always say no...
Gmanxxx

In principle it is gmanxxx, IF it's use is confined solely to chatrooms visited by children, but who is in control of it? at present it does not appear to be Law Enforcement Officers.
You are correct in thinking the Mods in The Forum and the Chatroom SyOps err on the side of safety when we suspect something suspicious is going on, but, I don't think we could possibly detect every single underage visitor. As to what the software is capable of, I don't honestly know. If it is, as I suspect, in the hands of people who are not the Police, who is watching them? And, how long will it be before all chatrooms are being put under surveilance? If recordings are being made of conversations, what is to stop them being manipulated to make a better 'case', prior to the Police being informed of the contents of any such conversation.
I for one would like a few answers.
Harry0
It's much more fun being on the winning side.
George Armstrong Custer
How long before the press scumbags get hold of one to use as information gatherers?
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After spending a couple of frantic weeks trawling through ads, postings etc I have NO doubts that at some point we are being tested by the powers who police... as long as Mods and SysOps do their stuff and get rid of the idiots then we are clear. Please bear with us all - we don't want the site closed down, Mark taken to court or raids to happen cos the forum/photo ads are allowed to degenerate into a free for all open to those who enjoy illegal/dangerous sexual practices!
I was talking to another Mod on the phone tonight about the responsiblities we have towards site users - very interesting it was too. This is free site, run by Mark with the help of a body of volunteers who give up some spare (can't believe I can spell that word!) time to keep this site responsible, safe and secure. If WE can't do it then nannniebots will.
The link to the article is here:

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I say... Bring on them nanniebots!
Everyone who writes a post, publishes some photos, goes into the chatroom MUST accept that the world and his wife can see it! The Police.... wish as they might that we'd all fuck off and emulate Thora Hurd... know full well WE ARE NOT THE ONES TO FLAP ABOUT.
If anything, we do MORE to discourage paedophiles than big time web sites like and Lycos do!
Harry... I hear what you're saying about records and conversations falling into the wrong hands. But your bank details, credit history, medical records are all accessible for a price via the web. We live in an age where all a baddie has to do is pretend to be another bank or an insurance company... So must make sure you don't confess to murder online!
Nah... let 'em get on with it! wink
I'm a bit skeptical about the feasibility of this. A few years ago I made a bot to host my IRC chatroom. He would greet people, was able to differentiate between newbies and people he "knew", responded positively to hugs, sulked if he didn't get any, could talk about football, music, booze, intervened in flame wars, disciplined persistent rule-breakers, insulted anyone who ASL'd him, he even sent pictures of himself to people when asked. The thing is, although he could hold a reasonable facsimile of a conversation for a while, he was utterly useless when people wanted to talk about things he didn't know about... he had to try and change the subject, and people soon realised that he was totally inflexible and tended to repeat himself. Some people thought he was just a bit stupid, but most soon realised he wasn't human. If the "nanniebots" are as successful as claimed, why haven't I read that the Turing prize has been claimed?
Ice
Ice...
I think you created my ex-husband.
How much time did you put into your bot, Ice Pie? A simple one is relatively easy to make, but easy to spot. If a sufficiently talented team puts enough work into it (years of full time work), the result with be a lot better.
A youth chatroom is a quite different environment to the Turing test. The other person doesn't know in advance that the bot isn't human. The topic of conversation can be quite restricted, and the bot can simply say "got to go. bye" if it gets lost.
In a Turing test, you're up against intelligent educated adults who know that one of the 'people' they're talking to is a computer. You can't run away. If you change the subject too much, you'll be found out.
Background knowledge is becoming less of a problem, with projects like Cyc. And Google really does know everything.
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Ice...
I think you created my ex-husband.

Normally I insist on "Herr Baron", but you can call me Victor. rotflmao
Ice
Well, you could have given him a bigger todger, Ice... rolleyes
Next time, can I have one that glows in the dark? Might help me find the bloody thing!
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Ice...
I think you created my ex-husband.

Heather
I think he created SwingingPete, but then lost the instructions!! :lol2:
Mal
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How much time did you put into your bot, Ice Pie? A simple one is relatively easy to make, but easy to spot. If a sufficiently talented team puts enough work into it (years of full time work), the result with be a lot better.
A youth chatroom is a quite different environment to the Turing test. The other person doesn't know in advance that the bot isn't human. The topic of conversation can be quite restricted, and the bot can simply say "got to go. bye" if it gets lost.
In a Turing test, you're up against intelligent educated adults who know that one of the 'people' they're talking to is a computer. You can't run away. If you change the subject too much, you'll be found out.
Background knowledge is becoming less of a problem, with projects like Cyc. And Google really does know everything.

It started off as a bar bot and I just added bits to it more or less at random over a period of a couple of years. Nothing spectacular, just a basic mIRC with a load of surprisedntext: and :input: lines tacked on one by one according to whim... no real plan or goal as to what it was supposed to evolve into. By the time I got bored with it, I would say it probably had a couple of hundred hours work in it.
I take your point about the difference between innocent kids and adults who know in advance they are being deceived, but it still sounds like a pretty resource-intensive exercise... possibly a mainframe? Who would bother?
Ice
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Well, you could have given him a bigger todger, Ice... rolleyes

The first time we saw each other naked, she said "Hmmmmm, I'm not sure your organ's big enough."
I said "Dunno love, I've never played it in a cathedral before."
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