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Quote by Jaq-kryps
I like to throw a spanner in the works occasionally, all those blaming fat for the rise in obesity is barking up the wrong tree. It is actually biologically impossible for the human body to turn animal fats you eat into excess body fat, the only things that cause humans to put on weight is Plant food such as cereals and fruit.
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So chocolate being made from veggie fat i.e. coco butter is fattening sad
Quote by penelope
It's not just chocolate that makes us fat, it's the amount we eat, and not only choc but what about the cakes, pastries, biscuits,alchohol etc. Also lack of exercise a major factor. As a country we get tax'd i don't get is the low fat alternatives are always more expensive, an example i buy low fat greek natural yoghurt, the full fat is more expensive and mascapone cheese the light version is more expensive than the full fat , maybe the goverment should step in and say look we have choices but don't expoilt the healthier versions xx

Amen to that!! We are on a health kick at the moment. I don't normally feel that strongly on subjects, but this I do. The Government are banging on about we need to eat healthily, excercise etc, but why is the healthier food so more expensive?!
I feel so sorry for the people on low incomes who go shopping for healthier food cos they have obese children, have health issues etc, but can't afford to buy the healthier alternatives.
I'd best not name the shop, but recently looked round our local supermarket for the healthy alternatives to bad stuff we eat. The only lo-salt they had was 99p for about the equivalent of about 7 tablespoons, or buy the shops own make, for half the price and get triple the amount of salt.
It's like 98p for a jar of the healthier curry sauce, or 41p for a packet of the less healthier stuff.
Ive not read past penelope's post just yet, but it just seems we have to pay to be healthy.....and we shouldn't.
As for taxing chocolate, that's just not the way to do it, we pay enough tax in this country, they really need to reduce prices of healthier food in my opinion.
Miss Cream xxx
Quote by penelope
It's not just chocolate that makes us fat, it's the amount we eat, and not only choc but what about the cakes, pastries, biscuits,alchohol etc. Also lack of exercise a major factor. As a country we get tax'd i don't get is the low fat alternatives are always more expensive, an example i buy low fat greek natural yoghurt, the full fat is more expensive and mascapone cheese the light version is more expensive than the full fat , maybe the goverment should step in and say look we have choices but don't expoilt the healthier versions xx

just to highlite two points.
firstly exercise just does not work in the losing weight stakes, only diet can do that.
secondly the full fat versions of most foods are less fattening, so buy the full fat version it's cheaper and better for you.
Quote by The_third_man
I like to throw a spanner in the works occasionally, all those blaming fat for the rise in obesity is barking up the wrong tree. It is actually biologically impossible for the human body to turn animal fats you eat into excess body fat, the only things that cause humans to put on weight is Plant food such as cereals and fruit.
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So chocolate being made from veggie fat i.e. coco butter is fattening sad
It's not the fat from the cocoa butter that puts the weight on, it's the sugar that's added to it.
Forgive me if i'm wrong but doesn't exercise burn off calories, hence helping to loose weight x
Quote by flower411
I like to throw a spanner in the works occasionally, all those blaming fat for the rise in obesity is barking up the wrong tree. It is actually biologically impossible for the human body to turn animal fats you eat into excess body fat, the only things that cause humans to put on weight is Plant food such as cereals and fruit.
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You`re bored ..ain`t ya ?? rotflmao
He just has to get it in somewhere. :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Shame a lot don't listen except fools like me! lol
But Kryps you have convinced my hubby, in 4 weeks he looks healthier his skin is glowing and has lost half a stone in weight. :thumbup:
He is on the life style choice now and is happy.
So thanks. xxx
Quote by penelope
Forgive me if i'm wrong but doesn't exercise burn off calories, hence helping to loose weight x

brief answer, not really. Far to many anomolies for it to be logical.
Quote by penelope
It's not just chocolate that makes us fat, it's the amount we eat, and not only choc but what about the cakes, pastries, biscuits,alchohol etc. Also lack of exercise a major factor. As a country we get tax'd i don't get is the low fat alternatives are always more expensive, an example i buy low fat greek natural yoghurt, the full fat is more expensive and mascapone cheese the light version is more expensive than the full fat , maybe the goverment should step in and say look we have choices but don't expoilt the healthier versions xx

I agree with all of what you have said but also exercise should be made cheaper and easy to gain access to.
Quote by Nicekat
It's not just chocolate that makes us fat, it's the amount we eat, and not only choc but what about the cakes, pastries, biscuits,alchohol etc. Also lack of exercise a major factor. As a country we get tax'd i don't get is the low fat alternatives are always more expensive, an example i buy low fat greek natural yoghurt, the full fat is more expensive and mascapone cheese the light version is more expensive than the full fat , maybe the goverment should step in and say look we have choices but don't expoilt the healthier versions xx

I agree with all of what you have said but also exercise should be made cheaper and easy to gain access to.
exercie is cheap and easy to access, it's called going out jogging, won't do ya any good but o hey lol
Exercise only helps if used with a diet/ healthy eating (for weight loss) Output has to be more than input - The calories burned has to be more than calories ate on a very regular basis
I would drop the diet and opt for "healthy educated eating" That way you are not starving your body of something it may crave or need,
So you can jog 20 miles a day - it does not mean 2 hoots if you come home to a fry up, stodge, more stodge, cream cakes and chocolate snacks and alcohol/ fizzy pop to wash it down with
Oh and lots of exercise is free some has a small charge, Try walking the dog an extra couple times a day or having a brisk walk to the shop instead of taking the car - swimming! what does that cost £2 ish a session? You can buy a lot of fitness items to go in your home for a relatively small amount
Written by a fat bird rolleyes
sorry Tan, but that is far too much of a simplistic view and is more of a mantra that scientific reality. the calories in/ calories out chants forget that the human body is not a machine and it just does not use all the calories entered. for instance, you could eat 5000 calories of grass, but as the body cannot break down cellulose it won't contribute anything to energy in. The whole calorie thing is nothing but one great big red herring. there is absolutely no evidence that the average slim person eats any less or exercises any more than the average larger person. weight gain is all down to the individuals carbohydrate tolerence level. if you keep going over it, you will put on weight, if you stay under it, you will lose weight, exercise plays no part whatsoever.
Quote by Jaq-kryps
sorry Tan, but that is far too much of a simplistic view and is more of a mantra that scientific reality. the calories in/ calories out chants forget that the human body is not a machine and it just does not use all the calories entered. for instance, you could eat 5000 calories of grass, but as the body cannot break down cellulose it won't contribute anything to energy in. The whole calorie thing is nothing but one great big red herring. there is absolutely no evidence that the average slim person eats any less or exercises any more than the average larger person. weight gain is all down to the individuals carbohydrate tolerence level. if you keep going over it, you will put on weight, if you stay under it, you will lose weight, exercise plays no part whatsoever.

What about those who eat very little or no carbohydrate?? Being over weight is not just down to any one thing or food group!
you'd be very very hard pushed to find anybody who is overweight who never eats carbohydrate, and that's even if you could find anybody that doesn't. Human beings evolved as carnivores and the digestive system is designed to deal with fats and protein, it's not designed to deal with plant matter, It's just tolerated, and if you keep exceeding what your body can tolerate, you will put on weight.
Quote by Jaq-kryps
you'd be very very hard pushed to find anybody who is overweight who never eats carbohydrate, and that's even if you could find anybody that doesn't. Human beings evolved as carnivores and the digestive system is designed to deal with fats and protein, it's not designed to deal with plant matter, It's just tolerated, and if you keep exceeding what your body can tolerate, you will put on weight.

My hubby has cut his carb intake down by 90% he doesnt exercise and has lost half a stone in 4 weeks all from the right places..he said he can move quicker, less of a bloated feeling, his skin looks fresher and he just generally looks better, not that he looked bad before. lol
But it is a lifestyle change not a diet.
He eats natural fats. No low fats goods that are processed that way.
personally i think people should be able to eat what they like without having others moaning at them, i work, i have always worked, i have never been in hospital except to have the kids, if i want to over eat and be fat thats my buisness is'nt it? and if i get ill and have to go into hospital, well i've paid into the system for almost 20 years i don't feel i would be getting anything out of it that i hav'nt already paid for several times over, i really dont feel others have the rights to tell you what you should look like or what you should eat, if they tax chocoalte people will still buy it like they do beer and fags smile
Quote by Theladyisaminx
you'd be very very hard pushed to find anybody who is overweight who never eats carbohydrate, and that's even if you could find anybody that doesn't. Human beings evolved as carnivores and the digestive system is designed to deal with fats and protein, it's not designed to deal with plant matter, It's just tolerated, and if you keep exceeding what your body can tolerate, you will put on weight.

My hubby has cut his carb intake down by 90% he doesnt exercise and has lost half a stone in 4 weeks all from the right places..he said he can move quicker, less of a bloated feeling, his skin looks fresher and he just generally looks better, not that he looked bad before. lol
But it is a lifestyle change not a diet.
He eats natural fats. No low fats goods that are processed that way.
well done Mr Minxy.
I'm in the mood for a teaser.......
....Malteaser that is! wink
My main problem is that if I eat healthy I stay the same. If I eat nice things - even just once a week - I put weight on. To lose weight I have to basically starve myself.
Tiny cereal for breakfast, single cuppa soup for lunch and a plate of salad and 1 oz of meat for tea. Total input for the day - fractionally more than a sparrow eats. Any more than that and forget the losing weight - it just won't happen. I reckon it's grossly unfair - it's also grossly boring and lasts no more than 2 weeks.
Quote by foxylady2209
My main problem is that if I eat healthy I stay the same. If I eat nice things - even just once a week - I put weight on. To lose weight I have to basically starve myself.
Tiny cereal for breakfast, single cuppa soup for lunch and a plate of salad and 1 oz of meat for tea. Total input for the day - fractionally more than a sparrow eats. Any more than that and forget the losing weight - it just won't happen. I reckon it's grossly unfair - it's also grossly boring and lasts no more than 2 weeks.

well your method is clearly not working for you then. so try something different. so time to try something different. ditch the cereal and soups.
brekkie, 2 eggs, 2 bacon, two german sausages (like fankfurters, english ones contain too much cereal) and a few mushrooms.
lunch and snacks, full fat cheeses (not cottage cheese) sausages, nuts, any sea food salads, (green leaf only) pate, any cold meats.
evening meal any meat, the fattier the better. and stir fry a few green veg like peppers, courgettes, asparagus etc.
ditch the fruit and fruit juices, cereals, root veg, pasta and anythng made with flour.
drinks, stick to tea and coffee or water. diet drinks with spirits and go easy on the beer/lager etc.
top it off with a glass of red smile
Quote by Jaq-kryps
My main problem is that if I eat healthy I stay the same. If I eat nice things - even just once a week - I put weight on. To lose weight I have to basically starve myself.
Tiny cereal for breakfast, single cuppa soup for lunch and a plate of salad and 1 oz of meat for tea. Total input for the day - fractionally more than a sparrow eats. Any more than that and forget the losing weight - it just won't happen. I reckon it's grossly unfair - it's also grossly boring and lasts no more than 2 weeks.

well your method is clearly not working for you then. so try something different. so time to try something different. ditch the cereal and soups.
brekkie, 2 eggs, 2 bacon, two german sausages (like fankfurters, english ones contain too much cereal) and a few mushrooms.
lunch and snacks, full fat cheeses (not cottage cheese) sausages, nuts, any sea food salads, (green leaf only) pate, any cold meats.
evening meal any meat, the fattier the better. and stir fry a few green veg like peppers, courgettes, asparagus etc.
ditch the fruit and fruit juices, cereals, root veg, pasta and anythng made with flour.
drinks, stick to tea and coffee or water. diet drinks with spirits and go easy on the beer/lager etc.
top it off with a glass of red smile
More calories = more weight. Simple as. I like the sound of your diet - but I would be a tank within weeks.
Quote by naughtynymphos1
personally i think people should be able to eat what they like without having others moaning at them, i work, i have always worked, i have never been in hospital except to have the kids, if i want to over eat and be fat thats my buisness is'nt it? and if i get ill and have to go into hospital, well i've paid into the system for almost 20 years i don't feel i would be getting anything out of it that i hav'nt already paid for several times over, i really dont feel others have the rights to tell you what you should look like or what you should eat, if they tax chocoalte people will still buy it like they do beer and fags smile

i knew i loved you for more than just ya sexy bod :inlove:
Quote by foxylady2209
My main problem is that if I eat healthy I stay the same. If I eat nice things - even just once a week - I put weight on. To lose weight I have to basically starve myself.
Tiny cereal for breakfast, single cuppa soup for lunch and a plate of salad and 1 oz of meat for tea. Total input for the day - fractionally more than a sparrow eats. Any more than that and forget the losing weight - it just won't happen. I reckon it's grossly unfair - it's also grossly boring and lasts no more than 2 weeks.

well your method is clearly not working for you then. so try something different. so time to try something different. ditch the cereal and soups.
brekkie, 2 eggs, 2 bacon, two german sausages (like fankfurters, english ones contain too much cereal) and a few mushrooms.
lunch and snacks, full fat cheeses (not cottage cheese) sausages, nuts, any sea food salads, (green leaf only) pate, any cold meats.
evening meal any meat, the fattier the better. and stir fry a few green veg like peppers, courgettes, asparagus etc.
ditch the fruit and fruit juices, cereals, root veg, pasta and anythng made with flour.
drinks, stick to tea and coffee or water. diet drinks with spirits and go easy on the beer/lager etc.
top it off with a glass of red smile
More calories = more weight. Simple as. I like the sound of your diet - but I would be a tank within weeks.
In this instance, a calorie is about as relevant in food intake as centimetres. All a calorie is is a unit of measurement. It's nothing to do with number of calories in. it's what happens to it once it's in there.
look at it a different way. If it was all about calories and low Fat, diets such Atkins would not work, he would of been entirely dismissed as a crackpot and disappeared in a puff of logic, but the fact of the matter is, In every clinical trial ever conducted, low carbohydrate diets beat every single low calorie diet out there.
Quote by Jaq-kryps
It's not just chocolate that makes us fat, it's the amount we eat, and not only choc but what about the cakes, pastries, biscuits,alchohol etc. Also lack of exercise a major factor. As a country we get tax'd i don't get is the low fat alternatives are always more expensive, an example i buy low fat greek natural yoghurt, the full fat is more expensive and mascapone cheese the light version is more expensive than the full fat , maybe the goverment should step in and say look we have choices but don't expoilt the healthier versions xx

I agree with all of what you have said but also exercise should be made cheaper and easy to gain access to.
exercie is cheap and easy to access, it's called going out jogging, won't do ya any good but o hey lol
I dont feel its safe as a woman to go out joging by myself and it is not cheap to go to the gym. Although I do feel that exercise is important and I attend 4 to 5 times a week. My friend has to travel on a bus to get to her local gym.
Quote by Tan--Kinky
Exercise only helps if used with a diet/ healthy eating (for weight loss) Output has to be more than input - The calories burned has to be more than calories ate on a very regular basis
I would drop the diet and opt for "healthy educated eating" That way you are not starving your body of something it may crave or need,
So you can jog 20 miles a day - it does not mean 2 hoots if you come home to a fry up, stodge, more stodge, cream cakes and chocolate snacks and alcohol/ fizzy pop to wash it down with
Oh and lots of exercise is free some has a small charge, Try walking the dog an extra couple times a day or having a brisk walk to the shop instead of taking the car - swimming! what does that cost £2 ish a session? You can buy a lot of fitness items to go in your home for a relatively small amount
Written by a fat bird rolleyes

Its healthy eating in my house hold I have upped my exercise to 6 days a week and I eat less and lost 3/4 of a stone. Tryed to exercise at home but got fed up did use a £250 exercise bike for nearly 2 years but when I started at the gym I found a big difference the exercise machines work better. I became fitter in a short time after attending the gym. At the mo I feel the fittest iv ever been.
Quote by Nicekat
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I dont feel its safe as a woman to go out joging by myself and it is not cheap to go to the gym. Although I do feel that exercise is important and I attend 4 to 5 times a week. My friend has to travel on a bus to get to her local gym.

We got a Wii Fit (£98 plus the Wii itself). It's fab!! Loads of fun things to do, a record of your improvements, little rewards for achievement and accurate weighing. And of course it's in the privacy and comfort of your own home.
I do yoga too - at the local uni - been going for a bit over a year. That's made a huge difference. Not to my weight but to my posture and muscle tone. Looks like I've lost more than I actually have.
just wonder at the inquiring mind sometimes in any branch of science. not one single person questions how fat is stored, they just just accept if ya eat to many calories, you get fat. nobody questions how that extra calorie is taken from the blood stream and stored in a fat cell. what bodily processes are involved, it's just taken as a fact. who wants to know, people have been so indoctronated in the last 40 years they forget to question.