clubs should promote safe sex

16 Oct 2004

went to a local club, and saw some people playing unprotected. having been to places in America and seen condoms given freely to those who attend, I find it irresposible that clubs should not encourage people to wear condoms, maybe put some signs up. I always carry my own condoms, but think some people are unaware of safe sex.

16 Oct 2004

i think you will find that the club you went to was an exception rather than the norm...
obviously you see couples doing it, but if anyone joins in then they are "suited up"
in fact.. the club i go to have free condoms all over the place.... so no excuses
sean xxxxxx

16 Oct 2004

In my experience at clubs, condoms are almost always worn for penetration, except between established partners. I see your point, but I don't really she why is it the club's responsibility to make people wear condoms. Perhaps a few safe sex notices wouldn't go amiss, but I think some clubs do have those types of posters already. At the end of the day, if people want to risk their health it is up to them. I mean, it is like clubs trying to tell people not to smoke cos they might get cancer! It is a personal judgement call, not one that others should make. I don't see why clubs should provide free condoms. They're cheap enough and people should take them anyway.
Just my view.

16 Oct 2004

I guess we have to say people know the score with this by now - older contributers - think of those dreadful ads with icebergs and fire in the 80s - Anybody who had ANY form of sex with ANYone HAD to DIE - and,eventually,even the people who have no form of sex with anyone would die too. rolleyes

Thats not to make light of a very serious issue,its all part of caring for one another,and,it can be made into part of the fun..but in this case did you see commited partners with their regular special person?

16 Oct 2004

I can't imagine that anyone going out to play is not prepared. Clubs should still have them readily available - I do think they have some responsibility to promote health and safety issues. In the club I went to not only were there no condoms (I assume they had some at reception) - at one point it was a bit tricky finding a bin :shock:
Just the fact of not having pockets in your birthday suit means it would be nice if they were close at hand in all rooms.
Perhaps they could be incorporated into the decor a la Alex_Female's place!!!
CQ

16 Oct 2004

well yeah i've been surprised to see they're not all over the place too. but at the end of the day, it's a bit like expecting the girlie to provide them isn't it? you know why you're going so it's a bit irresponsible not to take your own and use them. and i'd be surprised to see people playing in a club without them.
neil x x x ;)

16 Oct 2004

Excellent point from celticq there - where does one have them handy when one doesn't have them handy because one has no,er,pockets because one is,scantily or zero attired. :shock:
And the bloke who's there on a hope,does he look too forward clutching his packet of three in his mitts redface

And the clubs are making Â£Â£Â£Â£Â£s out of it all - surely a few discreetly placed dishes/bowls with some in is a good idea?
In the Gay Community free condoms and excellent info and support are often around Bars,Clubs etc I've even seen that in a gay run coffee shop once - a good example of the many where we str8's could learn a lot from our gay/bi brothers and sisters in terms of nuturing and community - still we often witness that spirit on this board which is what makes it so special - that and the madcap humour! wink

16 Oct 2004

I've seen clubs give out condoms and have them available in rooms. I don't see why they should, but some do. It pisses me off when people come along and say that others are not practicing safe sex..... so what if they don't, as long as you do, what the problem???
rolleyes

:roll: :roll:

16 Oct 2004

Thats true bluexxx,its up to each person,not just in this scene but in life in general concerning sex outside of a long term monogomous relationship,and,its also about the bigger picture,caring about each other.

16 Oct 2004

Quote by neilinleeds
well yeah i've been surprised to see they're not all over the place too. but at the end of the day, it's a bit like expecting the girlie to provide them isn't it? you know why you're going so it's a bit irresponsible not to take your own and use them. and i'd be surprised to see people playing in a club without them.
neil x x x ;)

well said, we're allresponsible for our own safety and health. Those that choose to take risks do it of their own accord and I don't think the club should be responsible.

16 Oct 2004

Quote by Flavio12000
went to a local club, and saw some people playing unprotected.

I think you will find that when it comes to the subject of bareback riding or which ever way you like it most clubs do point out that unprotected sex is not safe for anyone, i keep pointing it out to ppl on this site who are thinking about doing it.
As for myself, i will give head unprotected but anything ells is out of the question.
TS

16 Oct 2004

I always practice safe sex, & would never indulge in penetration without a condom. While It is certainly the responsibility of every individual, I think anything clubs can do to make things easier is worthwhile.
One worry I have is that while I would find it a huge turn-on to have a woman suck me off & swallow......... that is so dangerous. Its no good saying that that person may know me & consider me to be trustworthy, because she doesn't really know what I get up to.
So the question I'm asking is.... Are people as careful about oral sex, as they are about penetrative sex???

16 Oct 2004

the individuals should be resposable for their own safety regarding safe sex in clubs,just as the rest of the population are out of clubs the clubs generally provide machines or are available behind the bar,so at least they make em that,,,the condom machine in the changing room at cupids has been out of order for weeks now

16 Oct 2004

The last club i attended all the condoms were free.
TS

16 Oct 2004

i've only been to one club and as i recall, there were 'safe sex' posters, though no free condoms.
What really surprised/shocked me was a guy who asked us how to use the condom machine and which ones to buy!!!!!! I am well and truly shocked, stunned and amazed (and a little scared) that in this day and age a man in his thirties doesn't know anything about condoms.
Part of me thinks that maybe clubs should provide condoms free but then, we are only responsible for ourselves aren't we? The Family Planning Clinic give them away - and they're better than the ones they used to give out.

17 Oct 2004

Quote by celticq
Just the fact of not having pockets in your birthday suit means it would be nice if they were close at hand in all rooms.
CQ

I have seen guys in a club place condoms under their watches for this reason, quite ingenius I thought!

17 Oct 2004

It slightly alarms me that there's still a believe that swallowing is horrendously dangerous and not swallowing is safe. It's not, it's safer, there is still a risk of transmission of many possible infections through skin lesions in the mouth that may not be visible. Fortunately the bulk of these are relatively easily treated bacterial infections, unfortunately they may not be detected until damage has been done sad

It is thought that swallowing increases the risk of some infections, most notably Hep A&B, which it's wise to consider immunisation against. American research suggests that MSM are at vastly higher risk than the rest of the population, but that's not to discount the general risk.
There is a risk of HIV infection. Thankfully unprotected oral sex had only been cited as the most likely route in 13 cases as of July 2003*, so it seems likely that the risks are very slight.
*Edit: In the UK

17 Oct 2004

As stated I always carry my own condoms, I think people were implying that I was putting responsibility on the clubs which I was not doing. Agree people need to take individual responsibility and as a 34 year old guy was very aware of the aids adverts as a teenager. There are some good points made here, one is that the gay community is more responsible ( mostly ) then the straight one, I went to a festival with a gay friend of mine and there were loads of people handing out free condoms, lube etc.
I think alot of people are nieve when it comes to STD's and will play without thought. How about a swinging heaven sponsored condom awareness scheme or something. That is not taking the responsibility from the individual but heightening the need for safe sex

17 Oct 2004

Well said :cheers:
I slightly take issue with this bit, though:

Quote by JudyTV
The government of the day, (whoever they are) will scream the word budgets at us and walk away from the problem. I am aware that to even make a dent in this educational deficit a massive amount of cash needs to thrown at it big time.

The issue is less the cost, where sexual education is concerned, but more the 'Daily Mail Effect'. Educators who have more experience in the field, who may be people living with HIV, for example, are available to schools, often for free, from a number of charitable organisations. Unfortunately many parents have a knee jerk reaction to their little darlings being taught anything about or, worse still by, gay men, who inevitably make up a strong proportion of those educators, even if they are willing to accept the need for sex education at all, which sadly some remain loath to do.
Can you imagine the tabloid reaction if the formal school curriculum featured a realistic discussion of real life sex ? As it is, many decisions are left to schools, who face little option but to take a mechanistic approach, providing little help of practical use.