combining dogging with swinging...a question

22 Mar 2005

not sure which section this should go so shall leave that to the mods
anyway...i talk to a lot of singles and couples...especially doggers
some like clubs as its so up front and open and guaranteed....some prefer dogging as it feels more illicit but runs the risk of police and boy racers..or too many turning up
the question i would like comments on is...has anyone mixed the two scenes...arranged a local meet with numerous couples and singles at a non dogging location...for example at a wood or area that is walkable...no police....no boy racers....but the illicit feel of not knowing who will be there
seems to me it could be easily organised....ten couples and five singles..all invited last minute to a private location
any comments on the pros and cons?...and what do i call it?..'Matting?'

22 Mar 2005

Mattius, what you described is outside swinging - a pre-arranged meet in an outside location. The fact you are inviting people means you must know who they are and know who will be there. No-one in their right mind would just invite anyone to a seculded area without having at least some idea those invited were genuine, unless they are a bit kinky and like putting themselves in danger!
As for locations which are 'walkable', anywhere can be used for dogging, it doesnt have to be a car park or a site listed on here, or one that is normally used, in fact the new sites are the best ones and most of the genuine doggers do not use the 'normal' sites, they find their own locations.
Sorry, but I just dont understand what is so different about what you are suggesting? confused

Its what happens on here all the time

22 Mar 2005

well this is new to me...why havnt i seen it advertised that way on this site?
the key word was 'illicit'...how could it be so if you only invite people you know?
in anticipation....

22 Mar 2005

Quote by mattius
well this is new to me...why havnt i seen it advertised that way on this site?
the key word was 'illicit'...how could it be so if you only invite people you know?
in anticipation....

illicit - contrary to accepted morality (especially sexual morality) or convention; "an illicit association with his secretary"
illegitimate: contrary to or forbidden by law; "an illegitimate seizure of power"; "illicit trade"; "an outlaw strike"; "unlawful measures"
Safety - the state of being certain that adverse effects will not be caused by some agent under defined conditions; "insure the safety of the children"; "the reciprocal of safety is risk"
a safe place; "He ran to safety"
guard: a device designed to prevent injury
condom: contraceptive device consisting of a thin rubber or latex sheath worn over the penis during intercourse
You can have an illicit experience in safety, it does not mean you have to meet complete strangers unless that is what you want. What you are describing is more sex with strangers.
As for it being advertised, you need to read them more carefully! Also a lot of meets take place without actually being advertised in the open forum. I have only every advertised for one meet and that was when I was first starting on this site, but have had plenty of meets with people off here, some of which fall into the catagory you described above.

23 Mar 2005

ahaa....getting somewhere
i agree with your analogy regarding 'illicit'....and perhaps it isnt the correct word for the situation...tho im still on the fence on that one
what i am driving at is exactly as you said...'not necessarily safe'....the meeting of total strangers as opposed to turning up at a regular dogging site and knowing who is likely to be there beforehand.
combining the excitement of a possible 'sexual' experience at a pre planned location...without having met or vetted the other couples or singles

23 Mar 2005

Anyone else confused ?

23 Mar 2005

Quote by mattius
not sure which section this should go so shall leave that to the mods
anyway...i talk to a lot of singles and couples...especially doggers
some like clubs as its so up front and open and guaranteed....

Just like to clear a misconception you seem to have about clubs. Yes they are upfront and open but they most certainly are not " guaranteed " !

23 Mar 2005

ok...so i think i am right in saying that clubs are upfront and open and 'fairly' guaranteed to have action on saturday nights...sigh
whereas dogging at known locations is likely to have some certainty of action but the thrill is probably not knowing who or how many will be there...and this unknown factor is what makes it fun...or not!
sooooooooooo....(getting back to my question)....if i for example contacted (say) a dozen couples and a few singles and suggested a certain location free from known doggers, police,boy racers at a cetrtain time on a certain night with no prior knowledge of whom would be there....how many would actually think about turning up?...and if not...why not

23 Mar 2005

Matt - As the risk of sounding as though I am stating the obvious, we could speculate on possible numbers until the rozzers come home but it won't get anyone anywhere. You sound like a man with an excellent location in mind so why not post an invitation in the Meeting Up or Dogging forum and see what kind of response you get. Then see how many follow through and turn up on the night.
Quite seriously it might be interesting for hosts of events to actually post up numbers who said they'd attend and those who actually did. Over time this could be used as a rule-of-thumb to gauge likely turnout to different types of events/venues. Any of the mods like to chip in on this idea?
I'm still a newbie so not getting invited to anything yet but maybe i'll earn some brownie points for this idea!

23 Mar 2005

good idea...i will do just that and see what response i get....and come back and inform of numbers after the event
naturally...anyone in the east midlands who wishes to attend...or ask questions..(smirk)...hit the pm button

23 Mar 2005

Quote by hornet harlot
not sure which section this should go so shall leave that to the mods
anyway...i talk to a lot of singles and couples...especially doggers
some like clubs as its so up front and open and guaranteed....

Just like to clear a misconception you seem to have about clubs. Yes they are upfront and open but they most certainly are not " guaranteed " !
Mattius
Since when did not become "fairly" ? evil

23 Mar 2005

The bit you dont seem to be understanding is that when you go out dogging you are not advertising to people that you will be going to a certain place at a certain time. This is what you are suggesting with your group dogging/swinging session. Also, if people are using known dogging sites there is a very good chance that others would be around so if anyone did get a bit nasty, the genuine doggers are always there to lend a helping hand.
As for guarantees of fun, there are guarantees at clubs, there are none out dogging, in fact, I really dont think anything in this life comes with a guarantee except that we wont be here for ever!
Anyway, this is just my perspective on it all, not saying it is right, not saying it is wrong, just my own view. As for you advertising, well that is the only way you would find out if people would turn up. Personally (and I really dont think for one minute you would be inviting me) I would not even consider it. I dont know you, you dont know me and I would not risk putting myself in danger by meeting a complete stranger in a very seculded, uknown location which is unlikely to have any 'back up' support should you (or even Me) turn out to be a raving idiot!
If you do arrange this, then I hope it goes well for you but definately not my idea of fun, but then it is a good job we all like different things or life would be very boring! lol

The last thing I am saying on this!

24 Mar 2005

well harlot...your opinion was that it is 'NOT' gauranteed...my opinion is that it is 'fairly' gauranteed...two differences of opinion..thats all!
And naughty...i can see where you are coming from and having reread the thread maybe i didnt make myself clear...perhaps due to not totally knowing what i had in mind or how to put it...it certainly wasnt a suggestion of a meet alone with another couple...in a remote dark location without anyone else there...as you said...that would be a tad scary for most i presume...all i am doing is trying to gauge opinion...the suggestion is that i post a thread and find out...and that is what i will do...
The basis will be (let me think this thro)...a location away from reg dogging sites free of police and b/racers...an open well lit car parking spot from where it is possible to walk to somewhere slightly less visible...presumably a corner of a park..whatever...and up to a dozen couples invited...and some singles....each told in advance the day and time but the actual location kept secret till last minute
the object being....the combination of '...the unknown'...will people be there?...wont they?...
but also the knowledge that it will be free from dozens of singles cars or police or boy racers.
Im smiling...i hope someone out there understands me
All i am doing is gauging peoples reactions...some will say that this is just a pre planned 'meet'...like any other...but from reading others threads...many meets appear to involve people who know each other and meet regularly

24 Mar 2005

ooohhhh ! (light goes on) So it would be like going to an outside club ? Location, times, don't know who will be there etc.(we don't arrange to meet we just go on spec)
No sauna though, still suppose other ways to get hot :rascal:

24 Mar 2005

Quote by Silk and Big G
Anyone else confused ?

No, but I do have visions of a swingball set

that would make Swingdog.

24 Mar 2005

Quote by mattius
the question i would like comments on is...has anyone mixed the two scenes...arranged a local meet with numerous couples and singles at a non dogging location...for example at a wood or area that is walkable...no police....no boy racers....but the illicit feel of not knowing who will be there

We arrange these type of meets often. Trouble is, people don't tend to turn up with the excuse that they get lost and the like (i.e. bullshit)..... but that's another story.
But yes, in answer to the question, people do it, with limited success.