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Quote by flower411
Pretty simple question really...
When does confidence become arrogance ?
The "attractive" thread made me think of this.
I think it`s pretty clear that what some people find attractive, others don`t.
I started a thread months ago about shagging people that you don`t like and I`ll still stand by the things I said then ......If I find someone physically attractive, I`d shag em whether I liked them or not lol
I mentioned earlier this evening that I felt less comfortable answering ads asking for attractive people lately, because I was getting past my prime wink
To be honest ...I think I am attractive on certain levels and I am hugely attractive to certain people :lol:
Am I confident or arrogant ?

I think it would depend on whether it was based on experience or assumption.
I have learned that others (some) find me attractive. I have never thought that of myself but I'm willing to accept their judgment, for them. But I'm still incredibly uncertain whether it's true for anyone else who knows me. Maybe I go too far the other way. LOL
I see you as confident.
For me, from an 'attractiveness' perspective the main difference between confidence and arrogance is somebody using their 'attractiveness' explicitly = arrogance. The most attractive people I've/we've met are those that don't know it.. or at least don't flaunt it or use it.. hmmmm, that doesn't make much sense but it did in my head - I'll re-think it and re-word it later...
This thread is spookily timely as I've just sent a PM to somebody about a possible meet and said that somebody's demeanor was coming across as possibly arrogant and that it was the easiest way to switch me off...
I love confidence on the other hand and rarely go for people who don't have some element of self belief and 'get up and go' about them as I find that kinda stuff really attractive.
Quote by flower411
I started a thread months ago about shagging people that you don`t like and I`ll still stand by the things I said then ......If I find someone physically attractive, I`d shag em whether I liked them or not lol

:shock: :shock: :shock:
You'd fuck someone you didn't like just because they were attractive to look at?!!!
OMG!!! Are you serious? confused
When I read stuff like that, I haven't a fucking clue what I'm doing here. :?
*exits stage right* :arrow:
Quote by BIoke
For me, from an 'attractiveness' perspective the main difference between confidence and arrogance is somebody using their 'attractiveness' explicitly = arrogance. The most attractive people I've/we've met are those that don't know it..

Not quite what you are looking for, but I was watching an episode of Top Gear some time ago, when James May was talking about Aston Martin's.
He said that in a bar arguement, the owner of a Ferrari and an owner of a Lamborghini would be standing there arguing about which car is faster 0-60mph, or who has the fastest top speed, wheras an Aston owner would be sat in the corner, quietly supping his pint.
It made sense in my head, I just can't get the point across.
Quote by essex34m

For me, from an 'attractiveness' perspective the main difference between confidence and arrogance is somebody using their 'attractiveness' explicitly = arrogance. The most attractive people I've/we've met are those that don't know it..

Not quite what you are looking for, but I was watching an episode of Top Gear some time ago, when James May was talking about Aston Martin's.
He said that in a bar arguement, the owner of a Ferrari and an owner of a Lamborghini would be standing there arguing about which car is faster 0-60mph, or who has the fastest top speed, wheras an Aston owner would be sat in the corner, quietly supping his pint.
It made sense in my head, I just can't get the point across.
I know what you mean - and I saw that episode.
Quote by essex34m
He said that in a bar arguement, the owner of a Ferrari and an owner of a Lamborghini would be standing there arguing about which car is faster 0-60mph, or who has the fastest top speed, wheras an Aston owner would be sat in the corner, quietly supping his pint.
It made sense in my head, I just can't get the point across.

No - nail on head, that's it - great analogy :thumbup:
Quote by flower411

I started a thread months ago about shagging people that you don`t like and I`ll still stand by the things I said then ......If I find someone physically attractive, I`d shag em whether I liked them or not lol

:shock: :shock: :shock:
You'd fuck someone you didn't like just because they were attractive to look at?!!!
OMG!!! Are you serious? confused
When I read stuff like that, I haven't a fucking clue what I'm doing here. :?
*exits stage right* :arrow:
You mean you missed the thread I`m talking about ??? !!!
Don`t read it !! :shock: Half the guys on here admitted they would !! :lol:
I didn't. I don't think I want to.
I just asked the question in the chatroom.
It clearly has to be a bloke thing cause all the girls said no chance, not ever. One of the blokes said "in a heartbeat".
If there was ever a reason to turn into a lesbian, that's pretty much it. Could you be any more shallow?!
*shakes head*
Quote by Dirtygirly
It clearly has to be a bloke thing cause all the girls said no chance, not ever. One of the blokes said "in a heartbeat".
If there was ever a reason to turn into a lesbian, that's pretty much it. Could you be any more shallow?!
*shakes head*

Hmmmm but DG, I know several females that would and have and do.... confused
I've shagged people at Dogging sites and clubs before now who's name I don't even know, let alone if I like them or not :shock:
x
Quote by BIoke
It clearly has to be a bloke thing cause all the girls said no chance, not ever. One of the blokes said "in a heartbeat".
If there was ever a reason to turn into a lesbian, that's pretty much it. Could you be any more shallow?!
*shakes head*

Hmmmm but DG, I know several females that would and have and do.... confused
I've shagged people at Dogging sites and clubs before now who's name I don't even know, let alone if I like them or not :shock:
x
There's a very big difference between shagging a stranger because they're attractive than shagging someone you know you don't like just because they look good.
I'm only basing that small piece of research on the question I asked in the chatroom at the moment... the bloke thing I mean. Although I do suspect it would be a rare sort of woman that would fuck someone they didn't like just because they were nice to look at.
I've turned down some "picture postcard" looking people because I haven't liked their personality. I know the OH has done the same. Likewise my fwb- he's used to be in costume a lot- and women would fall at his feet. He'd invariably turn them down. Even if they were stunners he wouldn't shag them if all they were interested in was the kudos & the costume.
I remember once sitting in my mates kitchen, when another friend turned up with a male aquaintance. It was a boiling hot summers day. This guy emerged through the door. He was about 5'11, broad shouldered, slim hipped, gorgeous facially- and shirtless. His ebony skin glistened in the sun, and his six pack ripped as he moved.
We girlies picked our chins up off the floor...
Friend chipped up- "look at x's jeans- they were a real bargain, he just got them for £7 in the River Island sale"
I replied, "cool- I'll give you £20 for them, but I'll be needing them straight away" :rascal:
By the time he'd finished his sentence, whittering on about how he'd have to go home & change- completely missing my point- I'd decided he was far too boring to shag & lost interest. rolleyes
Erm, that wasn't the question, was it?
You can be gorgeous. You can not know it. You can be gorgeous & know it. Either is cool. Where the problem starts is when you're gorgeous & believe that that makes you better than everyone else. Aloof, snotty & arrogant is not attractive.
Quote by Witchy
You can be gorgeous. You can not know it. You can be gorgeous & know it. Either is cool. Where the problem starts is when you're gorgeous & believe that that makes you better than everyone else. Aloof, snotty & arrogant is not attractive.

That's what I was trying to say.... :P
beautiful me!
lp
I'm getting confused by the extremes here (life ain't like that!!)
Can I claim to be half likeable (but a bit snotty on occasions)
And good looking some of the time when the light is right and the observer is a bit pissed?? dunno
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... and humble
lp
Quote by flower411
Pretty simple question really...
When does confidence become arrogance ?
The "attractive" thread made me think of this.
I think it`s pretty clear that what some people find attractive, others don`t.
I started a thread months ago about shagging people that you don`t like and I`ll still stand by the things I said then ......If I find someone physically attractive, I`d shag em whether I liked them or not lol
I mentioned earlier this evening that I felt less comfortable answering ads asking for attractive people lately, because I was getting past my prime wink
To be honest ...I think I am attractive on certain levels and I am hugely attractive to certain people :lol:
Am I confident or arrogant ?

More arrogant than confident I would say.
I always thought alcohol was the factor here. Changes your emotions and makes ugly people look fuckable. rolleyes
Arrogance is one of those words used to belittle the confident.
Self assured confident people are often described as arrogant by those who are intimidated by that.
Quote by benrums0n
Arrogance is one of those words used to belittle the confident.
Self assured confident people are often described as arrogant by those who are intimidated by that.

Indeedy :thumbup:
Quote by benrums0n
Arrogance is one of those words used to belittle the confident.
Self assured confident people are often described as arrogant by those who are intimidated by that.

True - and sometimes confident people fall into the trap of disregarding other people's feelings, which from an objective viewpoint is arrogance.
This is a topic that must be considered objectively, if at all, because a subjective viewpoint is impossible to define. Even if viewed objectively, the boundary between confidence and arrogance is a matter of opinion.
There is not a lot of black and white - it's mostly grey.
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I also think arrogance is one of those 'ugly' emotions, which is often turned on to win arguments, bringing to an end reasonable discussion.
Quote by westerross
Arrogance is one of those words used to belittle the confident.
Self assured confident people are often described as arrogant by those who are intimidated by that.

True - and sometimes confident people fall into the trap of disregarding other people's feelings, which from an objective viewpoint is arrogance.
This is a topic that must be considered objectively, if at all, because a subjective viewpoint is impossible to define. Even if viewed objectively, the boundary between confidence and arrogance is a matter of opinion.
There is not a lot of black and white - it's mostly grey.
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worship .. to both... 
I'm confident in that I know my limits and to some extent my strenghts..
I know that I go mostly unnoticed by most girls, and that a lot of girls just are not into me...and on the other hand a small group of girls find me instinctively attractive and sexy.
I'm trying to narrow down "what sort of girl" that is..lol...I do have an idea..but I will not say, otherwise I'll just blow my chances..lol
anyway, knowing that most girls just don't dig me, I don't really get a chance to become arrogant...which contributes in some measure to a general shyness (in real life, that is... being shy on the internet is just dumb..)
I have been called arrogant, I admit to confident. To be arrogant i would have to disregard others opinions. I hope I never do, at least not with considering them first.
Travis
Tune I have to argue with your statement "True - and sometimes confident people fall into the trap of disregarding other people's feelings, which from an objective viewpoint is arrogance." on two levels.
I dont accept that failing to consider other peoples feelings is arrogance on any level. I do accept that failing to consider any other opinion than your own is. So if a poster tries to make folk angry with their posts I dont perceive that as arrogant more narcissistic. But as you say shades of grey and balance is all etc. On a personal level I work very hard at ensuring I do not take responsibility for any emotions other than my own. If the poster debates issues without listening to the other posters then I do regard them as arrogant.
I still think its a word that means lots of things to lots of different people and is bandied about a fair bit unfairly. My eldest is an able young man and is less proud self assured and confident than many of his contemporaries. He avoids attention amongst his peers to avoid being labelled "arrogant" which I think is a bit sad.
Hope this makes sense these things work better in my head than they do in writing.
Confidence: generally described as a state of being certain either that a hypothesis or prediction is correct or that a chosen course of action is the best or most effective. Self-confidence is having confidence in oneself. Arrogance is having unmerited confidence--believing something or someone is capable or correct when they are not.
I have low self-confidence, and suspect that I overcompensate for this and appear arrogant in certain situations. I've never been told so. Or maybe I was too arrogant to listen rolleyes
Great post whips and looked like considered deep opinions to me not waffle.
I have been told I come across as confident in most situations but I don’t always feel confident, I have never been told I came across as arrogant perhaps that is because I very rarely feel confident.
Maybe both confidence and arrogance is something other people see in you, and not always what we see in ourselves.
I`ve been told i`m a confident person, but dont always feel it. And i would never describe myself as attractive, or advertise myslef as such because attractive is different for all of us. However people who think that being attractive is all they have to offer dont really cut the mustard
One can border on the other,but in the end its in the eye of the beholder. What is attractive to one person maybe not attractive to another.