Sorry I keep mentioning about my mum and cancer but after reading the life and death thread I thought I would mention this.
Before finding out my mum had Kidney cancer we believe now looking back with hindsight that there were tell tale signs.
For the last few years she was getting very nasty bites on her legs in the summer where she often went to the doctors for antibiotics, also she was being treated for water retention as her ankles were swollen and angina which were both diagnosed the beginning of this year.
After having the tumour removed her ankles have gone back to normal and she went out in the fields where she lives in the summer without the protection she normally uses to distract bite, and not one bite has she suffered this year.
I feel there are a lot of symptoms that our bodies can give off that things are not right, that to me surely the medical professions should be clued up about.
Surely the signs my Mum had and the fact now she isn’t having them can not be down to coincidence.
Have you found connections were things that have happened to you?
Why don’t the medical professions research these things and if they do why do we not know their finding and if there are connections?
What are your views?
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Could there be signs?
Incredibly interesting thoughts Lady.
After the death of my father, and in the last months of his life I began to think that there could well have been a multitude of signs as to whatever could have been happening within his body.
Several Dr's visits yielded no results, and my Father's and Mother's 'generalised' fears were (apparently) not taken into consideration. The 'bigger picture' was not brought into focus. Perhaps a more 'holistic' approach at an earlier stage would have revealed more specific foci in the long run.
But as we all know, the modern health service approach to our health these days is rather rushed and pushed for time, leaving doctors to stab at what they feel may be the problem, and treat immediately with drugs, or hand the patient over to a specialist who would in turn treat/view the patient from within thier own professional sphere. More drugs should they feel a reason... or nothing if the specific speciality yields no results.
More waiting lists, and other referals ensue.
Time and money are the guiding forces today.
Research tends to lean towards expensive drugs for identifiable problems, or surgeries for the same.
The 'feelings' that patients and thier families may have towards thier 'general' symptons are just that I'm afraid to say. Far too 'unspecific' for modern medicine to listen to or consider.
lp
After the death of my father, and in the last months of his life I began to think that there could well have been a multitude of signs as to whatever could have been happening within his body.
Several Dr's visits yielded no results, and my Father's and Mother's 'generalised' fears were (apparently) not taken into consideration. The 'bigger picture' was not brought into focus. Perhaps a more 'holistic' approach at an earlier stage would have revealed more specific foci in the long run.
But as we all know, the modern health service approach to our health these days is rather rushed and pushed for time, leaving doctors to stab at what they feel may be the problem, and treat immediately with drugs, or hand the patient over to a specialist who would in turn treat/view the patient from within thier own professional sphere. More drugs should they feel a reason... or nothing if the specific speciality yields no results.
More waiting lists, and other referals ensue.
Time and money are the guiding forces today.
Research tends to lean towards expensive drugs for identifiable problems, or surgeries for the same.
The 'feelings' that patients and thier families may have towards thier 'general' symptons are just that I'm afraid to say. Far too 'unspecific' for modern medicine to listen to or consider.
lp
Sex God
random I so agree with you that things aren't seen in a holistic way with people, the 'bigger picture' as you said.
You can see it all as medical science or that there's something that we still can't fully explain that emulates from a person, that is sensed and felt by them and others who are atuned to it.
You can see it all as medical science or that there's something that we still can't fully explain that emulates from a person, that is sensed and felt by them and others who are atuned to it.
Orgasminator
There is some evidence that suggests that dogs can smell some of the "unusual" chemical compounds given off by cancers and give early warning of something wrong, although an awful lot of research still needs to be done.
If thats true, then its quite possible that some of those compounds attracted the insect life which was attacking your mums legs.
If thats true, then its quite possible that some of those compounds attracted the insect life which was attacking your mums legs.
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There is some evidence that suggests that dogs can smell some of the "unusual" chemical compounds given off by cancers and give early warning of something wrong, although an awful lot of research still needs to be done.
If thats true, then its quite possible that some of those compounds attracted the insect life which was attacking your mums legs.
There was a programme on tv about is part of what I mean humans think we the superior beings, we have a lot to learn for animal instincts.
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There was a programme on tv about is part of what I mean humans think we the superior beings, we have a lot to learn for animal instincts.
I''ve seen this a couple of times when I have a patient very near death. Dogs especially are in tune with things like this and I've known a few to refuse to leave the patient's bedside for days
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Incredibly interesting thoughts Lady.
After the death of my father, and in the last months of his life I began to think that there could well have been a multitude of signs as to whatever could have been happening within his body.
Several Dr's visits yielded no results, and my Father's and Mother's 'generalised' fears were (apparently) not taken into consideration. The 'bigger picture' was not brought into focus. Perhaps a more 'holistic' approach at an earlier stage would have revealed more specific foci in the long run.
But as we all know, the modern health service approach to our health these days is rather rushed and pushed for time, leaving doctors to stab at what they feel may be the problem, and treat immediately with drugs, or hand the patient over to a specialist who would in turn treat/view the patient from within thier own professional sphere. More drugs should they feel a reason... or nothing if the specific speciality yields no results.
More waiting lists, and other referals ensue.
Time and money are the guiding forces today.
Research tends to lean towards expensive drugs for identifiable problems, or surgeries for the same.
The 'feelings' that patients and thier families may have towards thier 'general' symptons are just that I'm afraid to say. Far too 'unspecific' for modern medicine to listen to or consider.
lp
I know what parents and their families can come up with might seem clues plucking at straws. Signs clues etc
But I also feel who knows your body the best?
Surely we know our own best.
I think if there are signs no matter how little, even if it was thought might be of no relevance, when a serious illness such as cancer is discovered there should be a database set up and it all logged, surely then that is when patterns could start to emerge.
Another example that happened to my mum was they said her cancer had been there about 5 years, my mum had a bad fall about 5 years previous in the swimming baths. The side that she hit on a step that was black and blue on the outside was the same side her tumour had grown. It might just be conscience but you can’t tell me it can be totally ruled out.
You drop an apple it can have little effect on the outside but once cut open you will see deeper bruising. To me it is just a theory, but in my mind a theory that could make sense.
If all this information was collated we might see patterns until then they are still saying they don’t know what causes it.
Or do they?
And we are just not being told?
I just find it all fascinating.
Another thing I found out on losing a baby at 36 weeks of pregnancy was that sometime called slap cheek syndrome could have been the cause. We all are made aware of the likes of Measle, German measles being a risk to unborn babies, but I bet there are not many that know of this.
Read the doctors answer to the thread I have supplied.
Sex God
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There was a programme on tv about is part of what I mean humans think we the superior beings, we have a lot to learn for animal instincts.
I''ve seen this a couple of times when I have a patient very near death. Dogs especially are in tune with things like this and I've known a few to refuse to leave the patient's bedside for days
My son did it (in a slight hijack sorry minx) when my aunt was dying my son never saw her or knew how ill she was she had brain tumours and was nearing the end one day my son came in from school very very upset saying he had to stay with his grandad (it was his sister that was dying) My parents agreed to come pick him up and he clung to his granda never leaving his side even refusing to sleep in his own bed that night they got the phonecall to say she had died, He couldnt explain why he wanted to be with his granda that day.
My gut instinct when my stepdaughter was first ill, was that she had severe anaemia as all the signs were there! I never suspected it was anything worse but kept insisting that Morb make his ex wife take the girl for a blood test, she kept getting fobbed off and eventually I lost my cool and said if the ex didn't take her I would! Ex-wife insisted (thinking she could shut me up and load up with ammo) and the blood test was taken Friday, Monday they were hammering the door down to get at my step-daughter and get her into hospital with suspected leukaemia!
Turned out to indeed be leukaemia and a rare one at that. I am so glad that this interfering second wife stood her ground and that stepdaughter got the help she needed.
I think it sometimes takes an outside person to spot something as we learn to live with "it" and the medical profession fob us off unnecessarily.
Turned out to indeed be leukaemia and a rare one at that. I am so glad that this interfering second wife stood her ground and that stepdaughter got the help she needed.
I think it sometimes takes an outside person to spot something as we learn to live with "it" and the medical profession fob us off unnecessarily.
I had breast cancer at 25 years old. I had already had a very rare thyroid cancer. I noticed a tiny lump in my breast because it hurt (I have SMALL boobs, so it was noticeable and sore). When I went to the hospital, I was told that I was far too young to have breast cancer!! I obviously questioned that I had had cancer of the thyroid at 20 years old and should surely be taken seriously! It was me insisting that they removed the lump within one week, that made them operate. Shame-facedly, they told me that it was cancer and they'd left half in me and needed to go back in to remove more and the glands under the arm. I KNEW inside that it was cancer...it wasn't paranoia...I just knew and to this day am so happy that I am a bolshy cow who argues with the medical proffession to get what I I need!
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There is some evidence that suggests that dogs can smell some of the "unusual" chemical compounds given off by cancers and give early warning of something wrong, although an awful lot of research still needs to be done.
If thats true, then its quite possible that some of those compounds attracted the insect life which was attacking your mums legs.
There was a programme on tv about is part of what I mean humans think we the superior beings, we have a lot to learn for animal instincts.
I watched that programme as well - absolutely fascinating!! It showed family pets continually licking the spot where people had skin melanomas (sp).
Research is still ongoing if I remember correctly!
Sex God
I'm sure I read somewhere that before proper testing was developed physicians used 3 main signals for illness: skin colour, urine colour and flavour (yuk) and breath smell.
There are signs that are simply not used in modern medicine.
We often notice things in people - especially if we don't see them often - like dark rings round the eyes or skin pallor. But I don't think the medical people use any more of them than they would if they weren't medically trained. I'm pretty sure it isn't included in standard medical training.
My Mum had breast cancer - in exactly the same place she had a very nasty bruise many years ago.
Nothing is random - if a person is 'prone' to cancer cos of their genetics, it doesn't appear everywhere - it appears somewhere specific. And it seems that a previous injury could be a trigger point for the cell changes for cancer.
There are signs that are simply not used in modern medicine.
We often notice things in people - especially if we don't see them often - like dark rings round the eyes or skin pallor. But I don't think the medical people use any more of them than they would if they weren't medically trained. I'm pretty sure it isn't included in standard medical training.
My Mum had breast cancer - in exactly the same place she had a very nasty bruise many years ago.
Nothing is random - if a person is 'prone' to cancer cos of their genetics, it doesn't appear everywhere - it appears somewhere specific. And it seems that a previous injury could be a trigger point for the cell changes for cancer.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that before proper testing was developed physicians used 3 main signals for illness: skin colour, urine colour and flavour (yuk) and breath smell.
There are signs that are simply not used in modern medicine.
I have a vague recollection of a company that was researching and close to developing equipment that was highly sensitive to chemicals contained in the breath. It was believed that this may have significant implications for the early recognition of many many different kinds of illnesses.
I will have a fumble around to see what happened to them as its been some 10 years since I recall reading about them.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that before proper testing was developed physicians used 3 main signals for illness: skin colour, urine colour and flavour (yuk) and breath smell.
There are signs that are simply not used in modern medicine.
I have a vague recollection of a company that was researching and close to developing equipment that was highly sensitive to chemicals contained in the breath. It was believed that this may have significant implications for the early recognition of many many different kinds of illnesses.
I will have a fumble around to see what happened to them as its been some 10 years since I recall reading about them.
Someone close to dying has a very distinctive breath smell. It's usually caused by the body producing too much ketone to counteract lack of food.
Undiagnosed diabetics can also have very sweet smelling breath when the body isn't producing enough glucose.
Breath smelling of faeces can indicate bowel obstruction or liver damage. If it smells like amonia, that could show kidney problems.
Docs can tell a lot by breath smells and not just if you need to visit the dentist!
Just to add a minor comment to the thread - the belief that bruising might trigger particularly breast cancer isn't new, I've come across examples (rare) in the 18th Century.
And personally I believe lifestyle and genetic makeup are the triggers - with a strong history of heart problem or cancers over the last 100 years in my family, and believing I'm the sum of the parts of past generations (over which I can do nothing) - its my free will to make choices that will make the difference.
And personally I believe lifestyle and genetic makeup are the triggers - with a strong history of heart problem or cancers over the last 100 years in my family, and believing I'm the sum of the parts of past generations (over which I can do nothing) - its my free will to make choices that will make the difference.
