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I have just returned from the Canaries and whilst I love it I'm yet to see much of their culture. So far, all I can see is commercialism. We did however go up the mountains and had a few stops at local shops where we could taste the traditional marmalades and figs oh and 'mojo sauce'! :shock: but the trip was paid for, again commercialism.
My favourite holiday destination has to be Greece though. We go every year, I love their food, I love their culture, I love the weekly family get-togethers and the dancing and the traditionality. All in all my preference is Greece.
Where do you love for the culture?
I have been there as you now many times and that island has no culture of its own its a holiday island and always will be, my ex loved it even said she would love to live there, but no love to live else where but not there.
I have been to many countries and have to say the best culture I found was in Australia, they are so laid back.
They work hard (well some do) but play hard to the hospitality i recieved was second to none, my house is your house.
Dare I say it theres no class system out there which breaks down so many barriers. The only culture i really want to sample at the moment is italian.
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I have been there as you now many times and that island has no culture of its own its a holiday island and always will be, my ex loved it even said she would love to live there, but no love to live else where but not there.
I have been to many countries and have to say the best culture I found was in Australia, they are so laid back.
They work hard (well some do) but play hard to the hospitality i recieved was second to none, my house is your house.
Dare I say it theres no class system out there which breaks down so many barriers. The only culture i really want to sample at the moment is italian.

kiss UK hun
Italy is actually one place I really don't fancy visiting I don't actually know why, not that I won't but it's not at the top of my list.
We're hoping to go to Egypt next year, now there's a culture to be seen I'm sure! lol
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We're hoping to go to Egypt next year, now there's a culture to be seen I'm sure! lol

If you're planning on going to eygpt (and not just on a package hol) if you're fair make sure you have something to cover you hair cos the hasstle you get is worse than an single fem going into chat on here biggrin
As for Italy, I don't know what's putting you off going but it is a fabulous country......and so long as you ignore the pervy men you'd have a great time..... :D
I want to go because of the food and wine to be honest, I spent so many years selling it I want to see where its from. There was the romatic bit to but thats gone by the way side for the moment.
Egypt yes would like to see that, Machu Picchu now theres a culture I really want to see.
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I have been to many countries and have to say the best culture I found was in Australia, they are so laid back.
Dare I say it theres no class system out there which breaks down so many barriers. The only culture i really want to sample at the moment is italian.

I am sure that the Aboriginal people would disagree with you on that.
splendid
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I have been to many countries and have to say the best culture I found was in Australia, they are so laid back.
Dare I say it theres no class system out there which breaks down so many barriers. The only culture i really want to sample at the moment is italian.

I am sure that the Aboriginal people would disagree with you on that.
splendid
yes suppose your right to a degree but they are gaining a lot of there own culture and lands back, they still have places like arnhem land and many others where only they are allowed, you could say that about many cultures around the world where missionaries tried to bring so called civilisation to them.
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I am sure that the Aboriginal people would disagree with you on that."
that was then, and this is now, doesn`t make it right, but no civilisation lasts forever,or we would still be celts or whatever was before them, having none of the advances that the romans brought, even though that came at a cost to the natives ,who were still painting themselves blue .
never been such a thing as a classless society, and never will be. we like to think we can be egalitarian, but we all think we are better than the guy begging for pennies for his addiction. can accept argument against this if you have taken such a person home to try to help, and all praise to anyone who can honestly say this
Interesting subject, I'd have to say that pretty much all of the holidays I've been on I've come away thinking great holiday, but I've had no idea how the locals live. Most of them we do the chill out stuff, visit the local museums and points of interest, so we go home feeling better having seen a few things but we still don't know how the natives live.
Probably our first insight into that was when we went to Dominican Republic we went on a sort of Urban Safari, we got taken round the local schools and went to visit a 'Typical House' it did give us some insight into the culture, but the routes we took were well trodden.
When we went to Gambia for the first time we did the same sort of trip, same thing, same outcome, we went home thinking that we had seen the real Gambia, but we hadn't really, next time we went out we wanted to learn a bit more about their culture and get to know about them a little better so via a freind we were put in touch with a good local guide and what a difference that made, we got taken to new places, learnt about the rituals, traditions that the villages put their children through and all sorts of other stuff, we met families, joined them for meals, visited local schools and generaly got our eyes opened.
Not sure where I'm going with this :uhoh: but there is often more under the surface if you scratch around a bit, getting in with the right local person will give a great insight to the local culture, if any of you ever intend to visit Gambia let me know as I know someone that will show you the real place and if you want to go fishing out there I have contacts for that as well smile
I've been fortunate to have traveled to a fair few places in the last few years, Zante, Mallorca, Prague, New York, but my favourite is (unsurprised to those that know me lol ) is Japan.
I went over to be able to Celebrate my 25th Birthday. I stayed for five days in Ginza (an upmarket are a bit like London's Mayfair I suppose) It was August and hot. Very hot. It was on Average 32 degrees at 9 am in the morning! :shock: Partly due to the Smog and due to the fact that Japan is in the Pacific Rim and is always hot that time of year.
It's a wonderful mixture of Old and new. They are obsessed with technology, but still hold onto values that their Samurai ancestors held but with a twist. I wish I could find some of the pics I took of the place, but I went through one area of Tokyo and in between two huge skyscrapers was a tiny little wooden building (I think it was a sushi bar). To a western ey like mine it was so weird to see such a thing, but the locals never batted an eye lid.
I visited a Shinto temple which was over shadowed by Tokyo Tower (which is and exact copy of the the Eiffel tower and is littered with satellite dishes and Telcom devices to save space), which was designed to look like those temples found in India. I greeted the monks inside and was welcomed in, allowed to have my pic taken in front of the shrine. I'm not religious but it was one of the most calm and tranquil places I've ever seen. The noise and Bustle of "New Tokyo" seemed to be muted as I couldn't hear anything a hundred yards away.
As I previously said Japan is obsessed with Technology and I'm a card carrying geek myself redface So a trip to The Sony Building is essential. When I went the PS2 was THE thing and had a whole floor dedicated to showcasing it. Along a long wall was 12 PS2's with an up to date Sony Vega TV hooked up to it. It was free to have a go and the usual hordes of Games fans crowed round each to see how the players were doing. Of course being a Gaijin (literal translation - Alien or foreigner) and a 6ft2" one at that I stuck out somewhat and was pleaded with by many to have a go against them. I suppose the novelty of "Beating the Foreigner" was too much to resist - although I held my own :lol:
Further down the street was an older district where the wooden building collected, and had fish markets and other such things. I wandered round as I wanted to get my mum a Kimono and as much associated gear as I could. A decent silk Kimono (even a second hand one) would cost Thousands so I went into a shop and asked how much a cotton one would cost. After getting those things I asked if they knew where the nearest Sports shop was (well, after I manged to get the pronunciation right and pointed to certain words in my Dictionary that had been typed In Kanji or their language) My brother collects National football team shirts, so obviously the Japanese National shirt would be ideal for him. The shop owner managed to get across that he didn't know so to my astonishment left the shop - with the old brass cash register open! I waited for abuot 10 minutes and he came back with another old man and between the two of them managed to help me find it.
Once I found the shop, back in the modern part, I realised that nearly every company in Tokyo used "Meeters" I.e. smart and polite staff who would literally greet everyone that came in with a GENUINE smile and "Ohiyo gozimasu!" (Hello and welcome - mainly used to people you meet for the first time) Attention to detail, immaculate shop floor and customer service that would make if the most syccphantic Shop assistant cry with jealousy meant that it wasn't just done to improve custom, but because they really meant it. I bought the shirt for my brother and I got some "OST's" or orignal soundtrack cd's from a few Japanese tv series that I like, but even such mundane items were wrapped up with such care that not only did they look fantastic, but you didn't want to open them!
I've just read back what I've typed and surprisedops: I've rambled! :shock: I could mention seeing the masses of mobile phones that were available, or the Geisha in the streets, or the hundreds of Radio stations (including the 24 hour a day "Happy Birthday" station that transmitted in English the song! :shock: ) Or the Yakuza in the streets of Shinjuku. The business districts of Asakusa and Akasaka. The bullet Train terminal that I only found when I was due to go home (and was flat broke anyway :lol: ) The Imperial Palace.......
But I don't know if the SH Server could take it all :shock: so I won't.....unless someone says they want to hear it wink
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We're hoping to go to Egypt next year, now there's a culture to be seen I'm sure! lol

Egypt, I know you will go to see the pyramids and all that. Go, take a good look, but beware. There is a local culture grown up around the tourist sites. It is based on the fact that tourists are like sheep, there to be fleeced. The tourist sites are however not Egypt. Here are some rules;
1. Keep everything with you and in sight.
2. Never ask a local to take your picture, he will take your camera and sell it back to you.
3. The toilet paper has been stolen from the cubicles and is on sale as you enter, from a young man just starting out as a fleecer.
4. If it is not in an official gift shop it is probable selling fake.
The police try to keep things under control and it may not be as bad as it once was.
PS
5. Always remember it is costly to transport live stock to Britain, ask for gold.
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splendid wrote
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I am sure that the Aboriginal people would disagree with you on that."
that was then, and this is now, doesn`t make it right, but no civilisation lasts forever,or we would still be celts or whatever was before them, having none of the advances that the romans brought, even though that came at a cost to the natives ,who were still painting themselves blue .
The blue pigment contained natural antiseptic. It protected them from the dirty knives the Romans were using to kill them.
I've not been to many places abroad but I loved Grenada. We stopped there on our cruise 2 months after the hurricane hit and we were staggered by the resilience and charm of the islanders.
They were so busy trying to save the spice trade and rebuild the many buildings that had been destroyed but still found time to be so kind to us while we were there. Even the children were still going to school immaculately dressed despite being taught in Unicef tents where the classrooms were destroyed.
Listening to their stories of how they survived what must have been so terrifying was an incredibly humbling experience.
Now I'm looking forward to my trek in Morocco in October and the chance to wander around the souks in Marrakesh
OMG I suddenly feel afraid of Egypt! confused I'm dark, green eyed and 37 Posh so I reckon I should be safe lol although one of my daughters is blonde sad
My hubby has been to Japan and like Dlep said it was quite an eye opener, they simply won't let you rest!.. after a long flight he wanted to sleep but oh no, the party had just began (and then there was the food... :shock: )
I would love to go to places like the Gambia, Goa and so on but these are places we'll be leaving until the girls have grown up as at this moment in time they don't appreciate culture like we do, all they want is to sun bathe and eye up the "fit lads", ah yes I remember it well... cool
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I've not been to many places abroad but I loved Grenada. We stopped there on our cruise 2 months after the hurricane hit and we were staggered by the resilience and charm of the islanders.
They were so busy trying to save the spice trade and rebuild the many buildings that had been destroyed but still found time to be so kind to us while we were there. Even the children were still going to school immaculately dressed despite being taught in Unicef tents where the classrooms were destroyed.
Listening to their stories of how they survived what must have been so terrifying was an incredibly humbling experience.
Now I'm looking forward to my trek in Morocco in October and the chance to wander around the souks in Marrakesh

We have two brochures for next year, one for Egypt and one for Morocco, I was more for Morocco but Jay just doesn't fancy it. You'll have to let me know Sass lol
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Interesting subject, I'd have to say that pretty much all of the holidays I've been on I've come away thinking great holiday, but I've had no idea how the locals live. Most of them we do the chill out stuff, visit the local museums and points of interest, so we go home feeling better having seen a few things but we still don't know how the natives live.
Probably our first insight into that was when we went to Dominican Republic we went on a sort of Urban Safari, we got taken round the local schools and went to visit a 'Typical House' it did give us some insight into the culture, but the routes we took were well trodden.

This type of experience would be great as a break away from our normal lives wouldn't it? I would visit a more deprived country and stay to get an insight into their lives but I wouldn't class that as a holiday if you know what I mean... I think what I'm getting at is when I'm older I wouldn't mind doing some kind of volunteer work so to speak smile
I always check the back f my fridge for culture biggrin
My favourite country has to be Peru. Went there on my honeymoon. Maccho Picchu, Lake Titticca absolutely awesome. The people were kind and friendly.
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splendid wrote
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I am sure that the Aboriginal people would disagree with you on that."
that was then, and this is now, doesn`t make it right, but no civilisation lasts forever,or we would still be celts or whatever was before them, having none of the advances that the romans brought, even though that came at a cost to the natives ,who were still painting themselves blue .

So what did the Romans ever do for us ,,eh! wink
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splendid wrote
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I am sure that the Aboriginal people would disagree with you on that."
that was then, and this is now, doesn`t make it right, but no civilisation lasts forever,or we would still be celts or whatever was before them, having none of the advances that the romans brought, even though that came at a cost to the natives ,who were still painting themselves blue .

So what did the Romans ever do for us ,,eh! wink

Did anybody see the Terry Jones series The Barbarians? What did the Romans do for us? Basicaly that made sure Europe was plunged back into the dark ages. The committed genocide in Rummania, they destroyed the religions in Britain because of human sacrifices despite killing people in the Collisium for entertainment........Think I'd better stop now I'm beginning to rant.
Buger bugger and bugger, just typed long long list of cultures and fecking lost it mad :x :x :x
Egypt, rip-off merchants and tourist traps aside is a wonderful country, oh and dodgy regimes and secrete police and Islamic fundamentalists, and well a whole host of nasties aside is a nice country ,oh and the flies, but that aside…its one of the few places in the world you can walk in the shadow of, and reach out and touch 5000 years of civilisation. Been twice and would happily go again.
Japan, everything Dlep said and a whole lot more besides. I spent two years living there, and would go back like a shot.
Off tonight on my first ever flight- to a tiny Greek Island :bounce: which, so far is pretty much un-touristy.
A few quick points before I go & pack lol
Italy- we went there on a mad day trip once from Austria. I hadn't been that keen, but on arriving at Riva del Garda, on the northern tip of lake Garda I fell in love- utterly. The rustic charm & the scenery was amazing. We were only there for a short while, but went for ice-creams at a little cafe which was literally on the lake shore. We expected to be fleeced! However, the lush Ice Cream sundaes cost less than a take away ice cream on margate sea front! :shock: Also, Italians absolutely adore children, and they are really made welcome.
Austria- Stunning country, and most of the natives are very warm & welcoming- again they love kids.
Germany- most people balk at this, but having spent lots of time in Bavaria, I feel like it's my spiritual home. Clean air, friendly people & not too many tourists. When we were last there, we were given a tourist card at the campsite which gave us free pulic transport over a huge area. I managed to negotiate our way on & off pulblic transport with no problems- mainly due to the efficiency. Oh, and dont forget the beer....the bratwurst.....the schnitzel......schwarzwald creme......well hung germans.....
France- love it! such variety, so vast, and so cultured. We've jumped at the chance to spend 3 weeks there helping a mate do up his house this summer.
Peru- never been, always wanted to. However our friends are Doctors of Anthropology, they spend at least 6 months a year in deepest darkest Peru. When I told them how much I wanted to do the Inca trail to Maccu Piccu, they put me off! Apparantly, the tourism has just reached overkill. There are though, other sights which are just as amazing- and almost unheard of.
Did I mention I need to go pack.......:giggle:
I would love to travel to India, Nepal, Bhutan to experience the culture.
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Off tonight on my first ever flight- to a tiny Greek Island :bounce: which, so far is pretty much un-touristy.

aaah enjoy hun! you'll love it... sitting on a terrace, a little glass of wine (or ouzo :lickface: ), some dolmades, tzatziki or spanakopites :lickface: (aaaw man do I have to be on a diet!! evil)
Yassou!
've always fancied experiencing the wild and varied culture known to exist in a small field in Wiltshire
lp
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I have been there as you now many times and that island has no culture of its own its a holiday island and always will be, my ex loved it even said she would love to live there, but no love to live else where but not there.
I have been to many countries and have to say the best culture I found was in Australia, they are so laid back.
They work hard (well some do) but play hard to the hospitality i recieved was second to none, my house is your house.
Dare I say it theres no class system out there which breaks down so many barriers. The only culture i really want to sample at the moment is italian.

Ever hear of the White Australia Policy wineman? Years ago there was definitely an immigration policy that only allowed white people in. However if you want to visit a true classless society with even more than Aussie has to offer try New Zealand, my homeland, much better than aus anytime :happy:
I guess the truth is that by going anywhere as a tourist you are spoiling that country. It is hard to complain about there is a tourist industry in a country if you have visited that country as a tourist.
Do they need our money? Almost certainly.
Do they get it? Probably not.
The hotels we stay in are owned by multi-nationals. We travel in planes owned by multi-nationals. I would think only a tiny percentage of what you spend on a holiday is put into the local economy.
Where ever we go we leave a foot print. And this footprint is commercialism.
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I guess the truth is that by going anywhere as a tourist you are spoiling that country. It is hard to complain about there is a tourist industry in a country if you have visited that country as a tourist.
Do they need our money? Almost certainly.
Do they get it? Probably not.

This was the main reason our cruise ship kept to the itinerary of stopping off at Grenada. The island was so devastated, the locals needed to see the return of tourists and I for one was more than happy to spend my money at the local shops and markets
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Off tonight on my first ever flight- to a tiny Greek Island :bounce: which, so far is pretty much un-touristy.

aaah enjoy hun! you'll love it... sitting on a terrace, a little glass of wine (or ouzo :lickface: ), some dolmades, tzatziki or spanakopites :lickface: (aaaw man do I have to be on a diet!! evil)
Yassou!
Thanks hun,
although ouzo :uhoh: yuk! I hate anything remotely aniseedy.....and anything remotely fishy....so perhaps from a culinary point of view I should be going to Blackpool! :giggle:
All packed now - I hope :scared: and I checked in online. I really did- like a proper grown up! :bounce:
Looking forward to the Kleftico though- and Rosemary potatoes :lickface:. Not, however looking forward to putting the loo paper in the bin..... :shock:
Just hope it goes smoothly, our holiday company dropped out of the island, so we booked independantly :scared: :scared:
Getting all excited now! :bounce: