As someone who enjoys going to swinging clubs wondered what people thought about the prices being charged now. For example new club in Walsall asking £100 membership for single guys and £40 entry on a Friday night. Is this to deter single guys or is attendance at a swinging club becoming a passtime for the wealthy only. Understand takes many pounds to set up a club but prices are getting high at a time money is tight.
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Sex God
Gosh - £100 seems a tad steep.
Would agree with Dave on the supply and demand issue.
Think that in these ever increasing liberal times we live in i think there will be more clubs springing up, market forces will determine what prices they can charge because if they are too high people will not join and the prices are low they will be overun with every tom,dick and harry. I presume the owners have looked into what they are doing and how they are going to market the club so they obviously think they can get away with the prices.
The only option is stear clear until they decide to get more realistic with the prices.
Think that in these ever increasing liberal times we live in i think there will be more clubs springing up, market forces will determine what prices they can charge because if they are too high people will not join and the prices are low they will be overun with every tom,dick and harry. I presume the owners have looked into what they are doing and how they are going to market the club so they obviously think they can get away with the prices.
The only option is stear clear until they decide to get more realistic with the prices.
Sex God
If swinging clubs wanted to limit the number of single men attending they could simply do that.
Single men could be limited on a first come first served basis, or by having to pre-book.
It certainly wouldn't be any more discrimination that charging ten times more for them than single women or couples.
In my experience, a single man who has enough money to easily splash out £40 to get into a club is no more likely to be civilised, pleasant or a good lover than a guy who has to save up for it.
Single men could be limited on a first come first served basis, or by having to pre-book.
It certainly wouldn't be any more discrimination that charging ten times more for them than single women or couples.
In my experience, a single man who has enough money to easily splash out £40 to get into a club is no more likely to be civilised, pleasant or a good lover than a guy who has to save up for it.
Orgasminator
The clubs would argue they don't want to be over subscribed, or they wish to control numbers so couples and single females cans till be comfortable.
To them I say
1) So rather than charge a price so high to scare them into not coming, why not say "No single guys!",.. oh I forgot, they need the revenue from the guys to operate as the subsidised couples and single female prices doesn't cover their overheads.
2) Surely its easier to charge reasonable membership, but set numbers? (Like how Chams do it) and everyone else on waiting list?
3) Single guys are easy targets - they either like it or lump it.
4) They forget some couples and single females actually like single guys!
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/290611.html.
5) Sadly, some single guys are "misinformed" enough to think their only choice to get a shag and so put up with it, encouraging the myth that all single guys will pay "if desperate enough".
(PS: As yet I have not been to AbFabs,.. I cannot justify £50 entry on a night, plus £40 cab home). One Christmas party I know advertised as £70 for single guys, £35 for couples ... but it was billed as a "meet and greet". That's an expensive chat.. makes me wonder if guys would be doing/receiving more in terms of chatting to attract double charge.
Good original post!
To them I say
1) So rather than charge a price so high to scare them into not coming, why not say "No single guys!",.. oh I forgot, they need the revenue from the guys to operate as the subsidised couples and single female prices doesn't cover their overheads.
2) Surely its easier to charge reasonable membership, but set numbers? (Like how Chams do it) and everyone else on waiting list?
3) Single guys are easy targets - they either like it or lump it.
4) They forget some couples and single females actually like single guys!
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/290611.html.
5) Sadly, some single guys are "misinformed" enough to think their only choice to get a shag and so put up with it, encouraging the myth that all single guys will pay "if desperate enough".
(PS: As yet I have not been to AbFabs,.. I cannot justify £50 entry on a night, plus £40 cab home). One Christmas party I know advertised as £70 for single guys, £35 for couples ... but it was billed as a "meet and greet". That's an expensive chat.. makes me wonder if guys would be doing/receiving more in terms of chatting to attract double charge.
Good original post!
Quote by Ahabs
The clubs would argue they don't want to be over subscribed, or they wish to control numbers so couples and single females cans till be comfortable.
To them I say
1) So rather than charge a price so high to scare them into not coming, why not say "No single guys!",.. oh I forgot, they need the revenue from the guys to operate as the subsidised couples and single female prices doesn't cover their overheads.
2) Surely its easier to charge reasonable membership, but set numbers? (Like how Chams do it) and everyone else on waiting list?
3) Single guys are easy targets - they either like it or lump it.
4) They forget some couples and single females actually like single guys!
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/290611.html.
5) Sadly, some single guys are "misinformed" enough to think their only choice to get a shag and so put up with it, encouraging the myth that all single guys will pay "if desperate enough".
(PS: As yet I have not been to AbFabs,.. I cannot justify £50 entry on a night, plus £40 cab home). One Christmas party I know advertised as £70 for single guys, £35 for couples ... but it was billed as a "meet and greet". That's an expensive chat.. makes me wonder if guys would be doing/receiving more in terms of chatting to attract double charge.
Good original post!
In a perfect world I would totally agree with you.....but the people running the clubs are not you or I. We do this for fun, they do it to make a profit. They will charge as much as they can, and keep doing it.
Someone once told me that the reason single fems get in free and the couples have half price is to be the "bait" for the high paying single guys. This reason has been bandied about to my knowledge for over 5 years, so the single guys keep falling for it then.
If it is such an issue with the single guys then let your wallets do the talking. Stop going and subsidizing.......then they will have to drop the price. Unfortunately, we all know that if this is organised.......another set of single guys would look on it as less competition and keep going.
The only way to really get a fair club is for someone to open a club that is non-profit making.........the chances of this will be slim to nil.
I feel it is unfair.........but pricing on any commodity doesn't seem fair when there are two prices.
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Quote by deancannock
one does wonder....how it stands on the sex discrimination act....... are you actually allowed to charge more for a single male..than a single female ?
Now then..who is going to take the test case ? :shock:
I think it would stand up I think because all clubs are private members clubs... and I am sure those are exempt..
all I can say is do what you want to do... no one is forcing to pay that amount, I know where I have been ask to basically jump thru hoops to join, so I have said thanks but no thanks.....
people can vote with there wallets and there feets... and in these times I think people are going to be more careful about where the spend there money.... they will soon lower the prices if there is competition
I went to Chameleons as a non-member on a Monday (bi) night and got in no problem at all... was it my Liverpudlian charm or did they sense I was a puff and would be good for making nibbles and serving tea and cake? 
Good post though and Dean, I also wondered about the Sex Discrimination Act - although I think Fabio is correct in what he says.
As others have said - there are pleny of other ways of getting sex if that's what people want from clubs. There's 3 great Dogging areas very close to Chameleons and I've often scored there too on the way home which I guess makes me greedy :twisted:
The type of money talked of above would also buy a good escort for a few hours - whatever your prefences
Good post though and Dean, I also wondered about the Sex Discrimination Act - although I think Fabio is correct in what he says.
As others have said - there are pleny of other ways of getting sex if that's what people want from clubs. There's 3 great Dogging areas very close to Chameleons and I've often scored there too on the way home which I guess makes me greedy :twisted:
The type of money talked of above would also buy a good escort for a few hours - whatever your prefences
Quote by fabio
one does wonder....how it stands on the sex discrimination act....... are you actually allowed to charge more for a single male..than a single female ?
Now then..who is going to take the test case ? :shock:
I think it would stand up I think because all clubs are private members clubs... and I am sure those are exempt..
being a private club does not exempt anywhere from the various discrimination legislation (otherwise teh BNP could happily state "no blacks") ... I suspect that a lot of clubs operate these policies in the knowledge that no-one will complain to the authorities ....
Quote by JandJ
one does wonder....how it stands on the sex discrimination act....... are you actually allowed to charge more for a single male..than a single female ?
Now then..who is going to take the test case ? :shock:
I think it would stand up I think because all clubs are private members clubs... and I am sure those are exempt..
being a private club does not exempt anywhere from the various discrimination legislation (otherwise teh BNP could happily state "no blacks") ... I suspect that a lot of clubs operate these policies in the knowledge that no-one will complain to the authorities ....
I know of one single guy that did complain to the authorities. Complained about everything from tax to H&S legislation.
Nobody could be arsed to investigate as even the vanilla bosses said "He more than likely never got a shag."
Dave_Notts
Orgasminator
Quote by shavenmr#
As someone who enjoys going to swinging clubs wondered what people thought about the prices being charged now. For example new club in Walsall asking £100 membership for single guys and £40 entry on a Friday night. Is this to deter single guys or is attendance at a swinging club becoming a passtime for the wealthy only. Understand takes many pounds to set up a club but prices are getting high at a time money is tight.
a new club in walsall ???? where and whats it called ???
£100 a year membership may sound a lot of money however if you live local and can go every week its only £2 per week extra, however after the "emeralds" fiasco i'd be dubious about paying a large membership, talking of discrimination why arn't people up in arms about (couples and single fems only nights)? surely single guys are being discriminated against their.
Quote by cockslut
£100 a year membership may sound a lot of money however if you live local and can go every week its only £2 per week extra, however after the "emeralds" fiasco i'd be dubious about paying a large membership, talking of discrimination why arn't people up in arms about (couples and single fems only nights)? surely single guys are being discriminated against their.
They probably are but....entry is at the discretion of the management, or the owners.
Each club have their own rules, and if those rules say no single guys, then that is their rules which people have to abide by.
We used to go to a club where Sat nights were couples only nights. There were a few single guys there, that were there, because the owners wanted them there. Who is anyone to argue? If people do not like that then do your own parties and invite who you like.
The charging for single guys is always over the top but, they like us and anyone else has a choice as to pay the money or not.
Quote by shavenmr
As someone who enjoys going to swinging clubs wondered what people thought about the prices being charged now. For example new club in Walsall asking £100 membership for single guys and £40 entry on a Friday night. Is this to deter single guys or is attendance at a swinging club becoming a passtime for the wealthy only. Understand takes many pounds to set up a club but prices are getting high at a time money is tight.
i would just look around for a cheaper club, chameleons and xtasia are both within a few miles from walsall and neither charge as much as that, clubs that charge as much as that are just pricing themselves out the market, i dont think the price is so high to put men off going, most if not all club owners will tell you they make their money out of the single guys so its not in their interest to put them off, i think its as simple as, they charge so much because they know men will pay it
Quote by deancannock
one does wonder....how it stands on the sex discrimination act....... are you actually allowed to charge more for a single male..than a single female ?
Now then..who is going to take the test case ? :shock:
yes course you can, its a private club they can charge what they like for who they like, they could charge a different price for everyone who came thro the door if they wanted, you couldnt charge £30+ for single women anyway because they simple wouldnt pay it, i go as a single female to clubs and pay usually £5/£10 to get in, which im happy to do but i have to be honest if they was charging me membership and £30+ to get in i find a guy to go with and let him pay, which lots would be happy to do, i get countless requests off guys for me to go to clubs with them
Quote by deancannock
one does wonder....how it stands on the sex discrimination act....... are you actually allowed to charge more for a single male..than a single female ?
Now then..who is going to take the test case ? :shock:
not sure but private club laws were supposed to be changed in 2007, not sure if they have been though?
A private members' club is one that operates genuine selection of members on personal grounds e.g. a new member must be proposed, seconded and accepted by the existing membership.
Some clubs may think of themselves as 'private' but admit anyone who pays a joining fee. These clubs would not be considered private members' clubs and would be acting unlawfully if they treated men and women differently. See Private Members' Clubs for more information.
Sex God
Quote by Deviants
one does wonder....how it stands on the sex discrimination act....... are you actually allowed to charge more for a single male..than a single female ?
Now then..who is going to take the test case ? :shock:
not sure but private club laws were supposed to be changed in 2007, not sure if they have been though?
A private members' club is one that operates genuine selection of members on personal grounds e.g. a new member must be proposed, seconded and accepted by the existing membership.
Some clubs may think of themselves as 'private' but admit anyone who pays a joining fee. These clubs would not be considered private members' clubs and would be acting unlawfully if they treated men and women differently. See Private Members' Clubs for more information.
I imagine they get around that by not having female members. Only the single guys need a membership in the swinging clubs I can think of ;) I'm no expert, but that does seem to be a little loophole.
Quote by Angel Chat
one does wonder....how it stands on the sex discrimination act....... are you actually allowed to charge more for a single male..than a single female ?
Now then..who is going to take the test case ? :shock:
not sure but private club laws were supposed to be changed in 2007, not sure if they have been though?
A private members' club is one that operates genuine selection of members on personal grounds e.g. a new member must be proposed, seconded and accepted by the existing membership.
Some clubs may think of themselves as 'private' but admit anyone who pays a joining fee. These clubs would not be considered private members' clubs and would be acting unlawfully if they treated men and women differently. See Private Members' Clubs for more information.
I imagine they get around that by not having female members. Only the single guys need a membership in the swinging clubs I can think of ;) I'm no expert, but that does seem to be a little loophole.
Not sure, but are swingers clubs legally "private members clubs" in the first place? According to the equal opportunities commision they are only private clubs if their members are voted in, and clubs that charge membership fees and entrance fees to the public are not exempt from the SDA?
What is a private members' club?
A House of Lords ruling in the case of Charter v Race Relations Board decided that a club which not only in theory but also in practice operated a system of proposing and seconding new members, followed by consideration of the acceptability of applications by the club committee / members, was deemed to be a private members' club. If a club genuinely selects its members on personal grounds and votes them in (rather than, for example, accepting anyone who will pay a fee) it is a private members' club.
Sex God
In that case it probably goes back to the suggestion of someone taking on the test case then :lol2:
Master of Sex
Many have commented that single guys pay more on a party night, same applies for couples at chams also on couple/single female nights they are all charged higher entrance rate. I can only speak from my experiences of chams and xtasia but both run membership for couples and single females too.
It would be lovely if in these difficult times there were some discounted nights going round of weekends to reward club regulars whether single male...coulpe or a single female, after all its all these members that make the clubs work and fun. If you remove one group of people you change the dynamics of a club.
Maybe someone ought to partition the government for subsidies for swinging clubs o give us all a bonus :twisted:
It would be lovely if in these difficult times there were some discounted nights going round of weekends to reward club regulars whether single male...coulpe or a single female, after all its all these members that make the clubs work and fun. If you remove one group of people you change the dynamics of a club.
Maybe someone ought to partition the government for subsidies for swinging clubs o give us all a bonus :twisted:
Warming the Bed
The sex discrimination thing is an old one, can remember a local nightclub "Lucifers, Lucies or the Palace depending how old you were" which would charge Males an entry fee but all Females got in free.
Also was in a bar in Blackpool once several years ago who had a drinks promotion on for the ladies only so it happens but who complains about it to the authorities?.
Anyway we are a couple so not affected
Also was in a bar in Blackpool once several years ago who had a drinks promotion on for the ladies only so it happens but who complains about it to the authorities?.
Anyway we are a couple so not affected
Sex God
Quote by rimano1964
The sex discrimination thing is an old one, can remember a local nightclub "Lucifers, Lucies or the Palace depending how old you were" which would charge Males an entry fee but all Females got in free.
Isnt that just a marketing ploy though? Get the fems in and all the males will follow in the hope of hitting it of with someone?? more people more drink sold. There is plenty of pubs that dont charge to get in, so if the men wernt happy they wouldnt go in?
Quote by rimano1964
Also was in a bar in Blackpool once several years ago who had a drinks promotion on for the ladies only so it happens but who complains about it to the authorities?.
Anyway we are a couple so not affected
The amount of pubs and clubs blackpool has, if people wernt happy they would go elsewhere, again it is just a marketing ploy to get the girls in and hope the men follow. I've been there on a hen night when a hen party are allowed to queue jump many of the clubs and get free entry. They want your business how they go about getting you in is their job discrimination or not.
I know it is different for sex clubs as they all charge single men and couples, If they didnt they couldnt stay open
Sexlightened
sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh then they will find out they missed something to tax lol forget the test case 
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