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Steve
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Quote by wolvie_dude
Just lately there has been more and more news of people being mauled by pit bulls..

There have been enough comments in this thread about whether its the owners fault or the dogs. I'm going back to this comment in the post that started the thread to say the real reason people are now demanding tougher action is that the press are reporting it more. The press print what sells papers. One weeks pitbull is another weeks kiddie fiddler.
I was once told (and I haven't trawled the facts n figures on the net to see how true it is, although it probably is) that accounts of child abductions etc is no worse now than it was 50 or 60 years ago, in fact today its probably a lot less. The only real thing that has changed is the tabloid media ramming every single instance down the gullable publics throat making them think "By eck, there was never this amount of it going on when i was young, its terrible today how many happen".
I watched this happen with SPAD's, red signals passed on the railway. 20+ years ago there were probaly 4 or 5 times the signals passed at danger than there is now. But they were never reported, never a cause for concern outside the railway industry, but once the media got its teeth into a it a few years ago, and reported almost every instance and suddenly the general public is under the impression that the railways are awash with Signals Passed At Danger and its sooo unsafe.. rolleyes
Back to the thread.. I grew up with German Shepherd's, owned an Akita and never had any trouble out of any, because they were socialised and trained properly....
Maybe,just maybe, its because of the media reporting every last incident of incompitance(sp?) that people have got more carefull and standards have improved.
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Quote by Mallock2006
Maybe,just maybe, its because of the media reporting every last incident of incompitance(sp?) that people have got more carefull and standards have improved.

But the whole theme of the thread is that standards havent improved, that more dogs than ever are attcking kids, because the press is reporting more.
What Im saying is that its only the general publics view that things are worse because of the media.
Steve
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Quote by wolvie_dude
Maybe,just maybe, its because of the media reporting every last incident of incompitance(sp?) that people have got more carefull and standards have improved.

But the whole theme of the thread is that standards havent improved,

Quote by wolvie_dude
I watched this happen with SPAD's, red signals passed on the railway. 20+ years ago there were probaly 4 or 5 times the signals passed at danger than there is now

The highlighted part in my previous post was what I was reffering to so it seems you have just contradicted what you wrote earlier dunno
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Quote by wolvie_dude
Just lately there has been more and more news of people being mauled by pit bulls..

There have been enough comments in this thread about whether its the owners fault or the dogs. I'm going back to this comment in the post that started the thread to say the real reason people are now demanding tougher action is that the press are reporting it more. The press print what sells papers. One weeks pitbull is another weeks kiddie fiddler.

:shock: eh? what a load of codswallop!
So... what you're saying is that if the press didn't report it then we wouldn't know about it so what the hell, lets get on with our lives? correct me if I've interpreted your posting wrong but I think that is so wrong.
How can you sit there and say 'one week's pitbull another week's kiddie fiddler?' these are peoples lives that are being taken or abused ffs! so what if it's the news reporting it? I'm sure I'd rather it was reported than not at all!
Believe me you would much rather be reading about it and acting upon it than sitting in a court room looking at the "true" horror of these incidents in pictures, and I speak from experience!
tmann
Sex God
Quote by jaymar
Just lately there has been more and more news of people being mauled by pit bulls..

There have been enough comments in this thread about whether its the owners fault or the dogs. I'm going back to this comment in the post that started the thread to say the real reason people are now demanding tougher action is that the press are reporting it more. The press print what sells papers. One weeks pitbull is another weeks kiddie fiddler.

:shock: eh? what a load of codswallop!
So... what you're saying is that if the press didn't report it then we wouldn't know about it so what the hell, lets get on with our lives? correct me if I've interpreted your posting wrong but I think that is so wrong.
How can you sit there and say 'one week's pitbull another week's kiddie fiddler?' these are peoples lives that are being taken or abused ffs! so what if it's the news reporting it? I'm sure I'd rather it was reported than not at all!
Believe me you would much rather be reading about it and acting upon it than sitting in a court room looking at the "true" horror of these incidents in pictures, and I speak from experience!
I think the point was things are no worse than before, it is just reported more. Therefore the public fear it more.
Steve
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I think the point was things are no worse than before, it is just reported more. Therefore the public fear it more.

I dont think anything he wrote really had a point rolleyes
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I think the point was things are no worse than before, it is just reported more. Therefore the public fear it more.

Thats the way I read it too.
Fee
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I think the point was things are no worse than before, it is just reported more. Therefore the public fear it more.

Thats the way I read it too.
Fee
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I appreciate that but the point I was making was that it's far better we do know about these issues than not. Maybe I took wolvie_dude the wrong way but the end result for me is it doesn't matter how we get to know of these horrors as long as we're aware of them.
Maybe I'm wrong? dunno
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I personally don't think you are wrong at all jaymar.
Some breeds are re-disposed to being more aggressive and probably always have been, but its not just the breed. There are other factors involved too. Yes, it can be the way the dogs are treated by their owners but it can also be down to their coat colour. I've just started a college course on Animal behaviour/psycology and its amazing what I've learnt already.
I still stand by the arguement that incidences are reported more so it may appear that there is an increase in dog attacks.
Fee
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Quote by jaymar
Theres a few dangerous dogs in the ads!! :twisted:
Mike x

confused: :?
Sorry I'll re-phrase... just for the humour you understand... :?
The ads seem to have a few dangerous dogs.. :twisted:
Sorry... Not as serious as you! :?: wink
Mike
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Quote by mdr2000
Theres a few dangerous dogs in the ads!! :twisted:
Mike x

confused: :?
Sorry I'll re-phrase... just for the humour you understand... :?
The ads seem to have a few dangerous dogs.. :twisted:
Sorry... Not as serious as you! :?: wink
Mike
Remind me to laugh at some point then
:wink:
tmann
Sex God
Quote by jaymar
I think the point was things are no worse than before, it is just reported more. Therefore the public fear it more.

Thats the way I read it too.
Fee
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I appreciate that but the point I was making was that it's far better we do know about these issues than not. Maybe I took wolvie_dude the wrong way but the end result for me is it doesn't matter how we get to know of these horrors as long as we're aware of them.
Maybe I'm wrong? dunno
Maybe you are not!
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All dogs have the potential to be dangerous.
With the exception of working and companion dogs - perhaps we should just ban them all!
neilinleeds
Sex God
gggrrrr . . . i keep replying to this thread, getting my wires crossed, and deleting. rolleyes
bigger dogs are obviously more dangerous than smaller dogs, cos a staff can inflict shedloads more damage than a miniature yorkie, but staffs, or pitbulls for that matter, are not necessarily dangerous in and of themsleves. they were bred by men, with certain characteristics, to do their owners bidding, and it's always the owner that makes a dog dangerous if it's not biddable.
when staffs kill kids, it is most often cos some twat has reared his dog to kill badgers / fight other staffs, cos he thinks having a hard dog makes him hard. the staff is trained to be a killer, so not surprisingly, it kills things. see recent headlines re: grandmothers and manslaughter prosecutions? his fault mostly, hers to a lesser extent, dogs last of all. sad which of those three gets destroyed though? confused :roll:
it is not the dog's fault. i could equally well train an alsation, a collie, a labrador, kind of terrier, kind of big, working dog, bred with an inbuilt shepherding, herding, hunting, retrieving, protectively aggressive instinct, to kill, and it would kill quite happily all day long, regardless of breed, if it thought that's what i wanted from it. that would be my fault, not the dog's!
big dogs are always capable of more damage, yes, but ultimately, it's always the owners fault if their dogs instinct isn't curbed by training. eradicating a breed because human owners exploit their characteristics and killing instincts is just plain wrong IMO? :?
neilinleeds - owner of staffs and collies,, and i know which of the two was safer round kids.
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Quote by solofun
Any dog can be dangerous, as for the dangerous dogs act, well thats just a farce, It came into place in 1991 so anyone who had a pit bull terrier then or any of the other 3 breeds has an old dog on its last legs or no longer has one.
The dog that killed Ellie shouldn't even have been here. Why isn't the dog owner being procecuted for having it? or anyone else that has one?

Exactly what i was thinking when i read the link about the dangerous dogs act.
If the act was enforced then there wouldnt be any of these dogs around any there are.
I had a Staffordshire Bull Terrier for fifteen years. He was the friendliest dog you could every wish to meet(as is usually the case with this breed)but they still got bad press because of being a Bull Terrier.
tmann
Sex God
I know a lovely staffy, come to meet me when ever I see it. The only trouble is it demands more of my attention than it's owner.
dekntan
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to some extent i think some owners are to blame but not all i have a collie cross dog who is as soft as muck but because our dog is so soft its hard to explain to my son that other dogs may bite or attack at the end of the day any dog provoked enough will attack and sometimes blame cannot be put onto the owner
when i was litttle we had a jack russel in the house next door really friendly to those it knew but some lads wud come past and throw stones at it everyday one day its owner had left a window open and these lads come accross the street the dog got out of the window and attacked one of the boys the owner wasnt even in the house but got a fine and ordered to put the dog down it was a shame as many knew what these boys had been doing but just shows that a dog can turn at any time
Steve
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Quote by dekntan
to some extent i think some owners are to blame but not all i have a collie cross dog who is as soft as muck but because our dog is so soft its hard to explain to my son that other dogs may bite or attack at the end of the day any dog provoked enough will attack and sometimes blame cannot be put onto the owner
when i was litttle we had a jack russel in the house next door really friendly to those it knew but some lads wud come past and throw stones at it everyday one day its owner had left a window open and these lads come accross the street the dog got out of the window and attacked one of the boys the owner wasnt even in the house but got a fine and ordered to put the dog down it was a shame as many knew what these boys had been doing but just shows that a dog can turn at any time

I understand what your saying but isnt the fact that the dog attacked still down to human influence dunno
not a trait of the dog..
tmann
Sex God
Quote by Mallock2006
to some extent i think some owners are to blame but not all i have a collie cross dog who is as soft as muck but because our dog is so soft its hard to explain to my son that other dogs may bite or attack at the end of the day any dog provoked enough will attack and sometimes blame cannot be put onto the owner
when i was litttle we had a jack russel in the house next door really friendly to those it knew but some lads wud come past and throw stones at it everyday one day its owner had left a window open and these lads come accross the street the dog got out of the window and attacked one of the boys the owner wasnt even in the house but got a fine and ordered to put the dog down it was a shame as many knew what these boys had been doing but just shows that a dog can turn at any time

I understand what your saying but isnt the fact that the dog attacked still down to human influence dunno
not a trait of the dog..
What would you do if someone threw stones at you each day? Is it time to go back to the days of animal trials, like the middle ages?
Steve
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to some extent i think some owners are to blame but not all i have a collie cross dog who is as soft as muck but because our dog is so soft its hard to explain to my son that other dogs may bite or attack at the end of the day any dog provoked enough will attack and sometimes blame cannot be put onto the owner
when i was litttle we had a jack russel in the house next door really friendly to those it knew but some lads wud come past and throw stones at it everyday one day its owner had left a window open and these lads come accross the street the dog got out of the window and attacked one of the boys the owner wasnt even in the house but got a fine and ordered to put the dog down it was a shame as many knew what these boys had been doing but just shows that a dog can turn at any time

I understand what your saying but isnt the fact that the dog attacked still down to human influence dunno
not a trait of the dog..
What would you do if someone threw stones at you each day? Is it time to go back to the days of animal trials, like the middle ages?
So its as I said then.......An outside influence rolleyes
dekntan
Sex God
Quote by Mallock2006
to some extent i think some owners are to blame but not all i have a collie cross dog who is as soft as muck but because our dog is so soft its hard to explain to my son that other dogs may bite or attack at the end of the day any dog provoked enough will attack and sometimes blame cannot be put onto the owner
when i was litttle we had a jack russel in the house next door really friendly to those it knew but some lads wud come past and throw stones at it everyday one day its owner had left a window open and these lads come accross the street the dog got out of the window and attacked one of the boys the owner wasnt even in the house but got a fine and ordered to put the dog down it was a shame as many knew what these boys had been doing but just shows that a dog can turn at any time

I understand what your saying but isnt the fact that the dog attacked still down to human influence dunno
not a trait of the dog..
What would you do if someone threw stones at you each day? Is it time to go back to the days of animal trials, like the middle ages?
So its as I said then.......An outside influence rolleyes
the dog attacked those that provoked it, it saw a chance of its owner not being around and lashed out in my head anyone going through the same wud do the same dog or human the owner wasnt to blame this time the couple were very strict and fair with the dog
Steve
Sex God
Quote by dekntan
to some extent i think some owners are to blame but not all i have a collie cross dog who is as soft as muck but because our dog is so soft its hard to explain to my son that other dogs may bite or attack at the end of the day any dog provoked enough will attack and sometimes blame cannot be put onto the owner
when i was litttle we had a jack russel in the house next door really friendly to those it knew but some lads wud come past and throw stones at it everyday one day its owner had left a window open and these lads come accross the street the dog got out of the window and attacked one of the boys the owner wasnt even in the house but got a fine and ordered to put the dog down it was a shame as many knew what these boys had been doing but just shows that a dog can turn at any time

I understand what your saying but isnt the fact that the dog attacked still down to human influence dunno
not a trait of the dog..
What would you do if someone threw stones at you each day? Is it time to go back to the days of animal trials, like the middle ages?
So its as I said then.......An outside influence rolleyes
the dog attacked those that provoked it, it saw a chance of its owner not being around and lashed out in my head anyone going through the same wud do the same dog or human the owner wasnt to blame this time the couple were very strict and fair with the dog
Thats what I said....
No fault of the dogs at all..........
dekntan
Sex God
Quote by Mallock2006
Thats what I said....
No fault of the dogs at all..........

no not the dogs or owners fault at all
tmann
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Quote by dekntan

Thats what I said....
No fault of the dogs at all..........

no not the dogs or owners fault at all
but did the lads get dune for cruelty to animals?
dekntan
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Quote by

Thats what I said....
No fault of the dogs at all..........

no not the dogs or owners fault at all
but did the lads get dune for cruelty to animals?
nope unfortunately they didnt which was so unfair (in my eyes atleast)the boys did have to deal with the cruelty of the village i lived in though as many people knew what they had done
BallouBear
Orgasminator
Interestingly enough, there was a report back in the early eighties that highlighted the fact that as a percentage, there were more attacks on humans by Golden Labradors than any other god in the UK. Ok, they were a popular dog at the time, which tends us to believe that in fact it is down to the owners and how they educate their dogs.
That said, there is also a responsibility on all of us to be aware of the potential danger that dogs could pose. I remember all to well taking my Pyrenean into my local pub’s garden. Many a time kids would just come up to her, no asking, but would start to play with her and on occasion, as young kids would be, be overly rough with my dog. It was a rare thing that the parents would actually approach me and ask if it would be ok for their kids just to stroke her.
Freckledbird
Sex God
Just picking up on your last sentence Manolishi, we always made sure our kids kept a safe distance from any dog until they'd asked the owner if it was OK to pet it. Any dog, regardless of breed, might not be patient enough to be handled by kids. We did actually have a few owners who were very apologetic, saying that their dog wasn't used to kids. I would still ask now, if I didn't know a dog.
Steve
Sex God
Quote by Freckledbird
Just picking up on your last sentence Manolishi, we always made sure our kids kept a safe distance from any dog until they'd asked the owner if it was OK to pet it. Any dog, regardless of breed, might not be patient enough to be handled by kids. We did actually have a few owners who were very apologetic, saying that their dog wasn't used to kids. I would still ask now, if I didn't know a dog.

Thats exactly what we do as well....
Normally its me that approaches the owners and asks if they would mind the children stroking their dog...
Our 2 know to be gentle with dogs and seem to put that into practise, even with grans dogs who have known the kids for years.
Freckledbird
Sex God
I've mentioned previously that my parents have Dobermanns. They used to have two other Dobermanns (who are now in doggy heaven), which had a crafty shag and had puppies. My mum and dad kept one of the puppies, which was born a fortnight before my nephew. When my nephew started crawling, he would often lose his dummy. More often than not, we'd find the puppy behind the sofa sucking on the lost dummy. This went on until my nephew was about 18 months old, by which time the dog was considerably larger than him! My nephew would climb all over the dogs, playing with them, and sometimes he'd even fall asleep with one or other of them, in their basket. biggrin
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I have a great interest in animal rescue sanctuaries and the cases of (un-homable) dogs with various social and behaviour problems. Virtually ALL these problems stem from lack of socialisation and formal training from puppies as well as very poor treatment from humans in the past for some of the older dogs. Also buying puppies from puppy farms or pet shops is another great way of ensuring that you are picking an animal that has not been with it's mother for the appropriate amount of time, let alone experienced it's weaning weeks in a stable loving family home with respectful adults and children.
When choosing a dog it is also sensible to think about what sort of lifestyle you lead...for example Border Collies make terrible pets if you are not prepared to get the dog to work/play and lead and fully active life...i.e on a farm is good.
As with most things if you educate the humans first...instances of animal attacks will become less common place. Sadly for all those abused dogs raised by cruel ignorant people, many find themselves being euthanised at a young age.
I can only base my opinions of the Ellie case from what I read in the newspapers (and we all know how accurate they can be). Many people I feel failed that poor little girl. The authorities (shock, horror!)for allowing a known dangerous dog and banned breed to be out and about. The Uncle, Mother, Father and Grandmother all have their own part to play in this horrific event as well, I will say no more on that little area.....
The dog being euthanised was at least put of of a life of misery as there is no way that dog was leading a happy and contented life, As so often happens in this life things are only changed after an innocent(s)are hurt or killed.
rant over..... redface