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I was having a chat with a lovely couple in the bar at a club last night. Eventually I asked the question "Do you use any internet sites?” They explained they had tried a few but were put off by the way people responded to getting a "No Thanks". We went on to discuss club etiquette and experiences.
After some pleasant discussion we agreed that one of the things which defined an experienced/mature (mentally) swinger was how they responded to getting a "No Thanks" - particularly when face to face with the person/people - and then went on to praise the behaviour of this particular clubs members.
It did make me think - it is only really people on here which I have had any experience of people not accepting a decline with grace.
I do find some of the replies to 'no thanks' PM's quite funny - I am not sure what they hope to gain by sending them, but they can be quite amusing...
"Your loss!" -I guess I will have to learn to live with it :sad:
"You don't know what you are missing" - and nor do I want to, hence the 'no thanks' confused
"You're missing out on a spunky cock" - hell why didn't you say that when you sent the cock-shot dunno
"Fussy Bitch" - yep lol
Now then, the thinking continued and I started to wonder (so here comes the question)...
Does your experience of responses to PM's effect how you feel about declining people in the flesh?
"You're missing out on a spunky cock"

Stella Artois, meet computer screen. Screen, meet stella.
Yes, Im drunk. :shock:
Quote by PoloLady
Does your experience of responses to PM's effect how you feel about declining people in the flesh?

Quite the opposite - I find people are a lot more argumentative on a computer than they are in real life or would ever be in a club. If somebody starts arguing the toss (Pun intended) in a club then it's a simple case of standing up, saying "Please stay away from us" and walking off. If they were to persist then, well, take it from there (Club managment etc).
Mind you, it also opens up the debate on "Does yes really mean yes, or are they just too polite?" I find people in clubs can be quite difficult to read sometimes. We met a lovely couple who stayed and talked with us for ages and seemed really happy too, they mentioned they were going to the jacuzzi but kept US talking for at least another 20 mins. Then they just said "Right, we're gonna go and chill for a bit."
Now did that mean "Look, we're going now. Bye" or did it mean "Hey, why don't you join us if you know what I mean!". In the end we didn't follow, because nobody likes the pushy couple smile Sadly, if they fancied us then they probably think we don't like them.
Hmm, did I go off on a tangent... redface
what pee's me off is you take time to write a message to somone , and give them abit of info you etc and you don't get no reply what so-ever
a simple "thanks for the message but im not intrested " will do
mad
Quote by PoloLady
Does your experience of responses to PM's effect how you feel about declining people in the flesh?

Honestly? no.
As long as you don't get nasty or too personal when declining an offer, there's no reason for someone to send comments back like that - unless they're the type of person who can't take rejection. And if that's the case then they're going to struggle to be successful in this lifestyle IMO.
I think I've always been polite in my declines (other than the 1 line pms & similar) so I don't think I could change the way I say no to make it sound any nicer and I have a policy of not "mercy shagging" so I certainly wouldn't shag them just to spare their feelings.
What's your view Pololady?
Quote by Cardiff_lad
what pee's me off is you take time to write a message to somone , and give them abit of info you etc and you don't get no reply what so-ever
a simple "thanks for the message but im not intrested " will do
mad

So many pm's, so little time - it's a very common and frequent complaint honey.
I don't know as I have never been rejected :shock:
come to think of it I've never applied rolleyes
ok I am playing very hard to get cool
Quote by vdub

Does your experience of responses to PM's effect how you feel about declining people in the flesh?

Quite the opposite - I find people are a lot more argumentative on a computer than they are in real life or would ever be in a club.
I totally agree smile
Yet from time to time you see comments on here from people who feel they were hassled in a club by guys/people following them or people questioning how to handle being hassled. I was wondering if this was because they didn't make clear they were not interested and said nothing rather than risking an unpleasant retort or they asked how to handle it because they expected the same type of replies you sometimes get from PM's.
Quote by Cardiff_lad
what pee's me off is you take time to write a message to somone , and give them abit of info you etc and you don't get no reply what so-ever
a simple "thanks for the message but im not intrested " will do
mad
would tend to agree but in a add we have we ask for a certain age and we still get some peeps emailing and they dont come into that age we are looking for ,and still ask questions why not me why not this ect so why if they dont read the add and all the add should we take our time to respond ,then a few days later they start a whinge post ie fems looking for a fem and what do you get a male asking if mrs n would like to use her strapon on them ,yes there are a lot of gen peeps on here and if they come into what we are looking for then yes you will get a reply of a yes or no.
Quote by PoloLady
"Your loss!" - I guess I will have to learn to live with it :sad:
"You don't know what you are missing" - and nor do I want to, hence the 'no thanks' confused
"You're missing out on a spunky cock" - hell why didn't you say that when you sent the cock-shot dunno
"Fussy Bitch" - yep lol

Yup, I've had all those ( or very similar ) though the best one was from a 21 year old when told he was too young he replied 'Well, all I want to do is f*ck you' I duly told him he had more chance of f*cking the Pope rolleyes
The only bad experience we had in a club when we told a couple we really wasn't interested in playing,was the woman to start crying saying "why don't you fancy me?".....well we really didn't know what to do.....so just left the club!
Quote by da69ve
The only bad experience we had in a club when we told a couple we really wasn't interested in playing,was the woman to start crying saying "why don't you fancy me?".....well we really didn't know what to do.....so just left the club!

YOUCH!
Quote by HornyLittleBlonde
What's your view Pololady?

My view is.....
I have never had any problems with bad reactions to declines at clubs. I have learnt that saying nothing and hoping people will go away just doesn't work. It is too confusing to the hopeful (for want of a better term), as it is not uncommon for 'saying nothing' to mean 'join in' (in some situations).
So... no, the replies I have had in PM do not effect how I feel when declining interest at a club. But, that may be because I go to clubs quite often or may be because it is just me?
My typical comment to make at a club is... "Thank you for the interest. It is very flattering but...
a - I would like to walk around on my own.
b - I am quite happy with the company I already have.
c - I would like to sit on my own for a bit.
d - this room is getting a bit crowded.
Or something similar and every time it has the desired effect.
I cannot say the same for some parties I have attended in the past - on one occasion the polite comment was abandoned after 3 attempts and ended up being "Which part of fuck off don't you understand?" I have also had to be a little more forceful in a hotel after a munch - but nothing a "like fuck are you staying in my room" didn't cure.
But, that is me and my experience. I am curious if the replies other people have had to PM's has put them off saying anything in a club or elsewhere.
I'd also like to add another slant to ths thread:
reading your last post made me think of the role body language plays - something that isn't present on line.
In a situation where someone touched me inapropriately (IMO) in a club, all I did was grab their hand and remove it from where they'd placed it and turn my body away from them, which was enough to make it clear I wasn't interested without having to say a word.
Obviously with a club/social/munch/et. al. people are there.... i'm sure the rejected person(s) probably thinks one of the same responses as they do in emails/pms/what ever... but being in front of someone means that social decorum and the embarisment of public rejection holds sway so they bite their tongue and dont.
When I do get a rejection on the net.... I always send a "thank you so much for replying and letting me know.... its so nice to actually have an honest reply... i hope you find what you are looking for and again thank you for replying" or some such.
At least I know and the person(s) has had the politeness to respond so I think it warrents my thanks.
As for "hundreds" of emails for couples and single femails.... (from swinging as a couple)yes there is initially so I can understand the first time an advert goes live the "WTF" I cant reply to all of these.... but after that its in 10's a day if that and it doesnt take much to say "sorry but no"
However I do understand that its hard to reject people, I always worry i'm going to offend someone in saying no and even more worry if my no will be taken in such a way as it is due to one of their insecurities about themselves as I have my own self image issues.
However if the profile is not all sex related then i'm more likely to respond with a "lets meet up socially for a drink...." as sometimes the adverts and photos really dont do the person(s) justice and the people behind the screen just do it for me in real life!
jon Xx
Is rejection, and how "we" handle it, the last bastion of Swinging. That sets "us" as apart from those in the vanilla world ???
I almost sure that I've never taken offence at being rejected.
I've certainly been polite in declining offers. Or at the very least, tried to be.
The only thing that really still bothers me is the "You've become too much a freind to fuck you now"
I somehow can't see past the thought that it's a bit of a "cop out" answer.
But on the whole, I've generally thought that it was okay to say "No" . .. "No thank you" or summat such like.
Declining in the flesh can be hard.....however, once bitten, twice shy. So now I/we always make sure we decline if it doesn't feel right once we have met for drinks.
Although I am quite an open and upfront person, in the 'early days' my 'exit' technique was not as honest as I'd ideally like to admit...
with some, I could say "its been lovely meeting you, really enjoyed chatting to you but..."
but with others I knew from the look in their eye that either....that pint of beer on the table was going to end up over my tits and head in a minute or they would angrily demand a refund for their petrol costs...and so I felt I had to come up with some feeble excuse like... "I'm not feeling well" or "I've just had a text in from a friend...an emergency...need to go". I know...very cowardly.
Nowadays, I/we've managed to curtail the eagerness to get to the meet stage without being very selective and taking a little time to chat to look for quality as opposed to quantity. This has helped me/us avoid that dauntaing task of declining people in the flesh. I'm a pleaser by nature and hate saying no lol.....
Quote by vdub
The only bad experience we had in a club when we told a couple we really wasn't interested in playing,was the woman to start crying saying "why don't you fancy me?".....well we really didn't know what to do.....so just left the club!

YOUCH!
I think alcohol may also have been a factor.
Quote by markz
I don't know as I have never been rejected :shock:
come to think of it I've never applied rolleyes
ok I am playing very hard to get cool

:thumbup: Spot on markz....
I cant be arsed to string together anything more than a one liner so I don't bother with pm's... :giggle:
...well except when I'm in a chatroom & someones asks me to send them one after a comment I made...
Only said it coz she had a bottle o lucozade.... redface
& I was very very thirsty at the time smile
Quote by da69ve
The only bad experience we had in a club when we told a couple we really wasn't interested in playing,was the woman to start crying saying "why don't you fancy me?".....well we really didn't know what to do.....so just left the club!

YOUCH!
I think alcohol may also have been a factor.
Large amounts of booze and clubs just don't mix - it is one of my pet hates and I have to admit it is women that are the prime offenders. I was at a club once (if only I had only seen this just the once) and a cackle of 3 drunken women were wandering around proclaiming how drunk they were. Strangely they seemed confused why slumping over the seating and loudly announcing "oh I have had too much to drink" " I am more than tipsy, I'm smashed" (and so on) didn't have a queue of people ready and willing to take advantage of their presence.
I am sorry but if you want to go on a piss-up... go to a pub. If you need to drink that much to feel relaxed enough ... should you actually be there at all?
(side-track rant over - though I reserve the right to change my mind) lol
Back to the actual question...
Does the way people have/may have responded to your declines over the internet have any impact on how you feel about declining people at clubs or elsewhere in the flesh?
Quote by dambuster
The only thing that really still bothers me is the "You've become too much a freind to fuck you now"
I somehow can't see past the thought that it's a bit of a "cop out" answer.

Dont you think that it is harder to say no to someone who has become a good friend but you wouldn't want to fuck?? Personally for all my confidence I do.... That's mainly because I would hate to loose that person as a friend... Fortunately it hasn't happened so far, but if it was a face to face moment I dont know what I would do dunno
Quote by de_sade
An interesting thread and a very good response.

Yep :thumbup:
For example, how many people here on SH have had a mental picture of another member here in SH based on what that other person has said only to have it completely destroyed or turned on it's head when you actually meet up in the flesh?

Oh definately redface :lol2:
How many of us have not stretched the truth a little bit (or a tiny little bit) in our everyday life when we meet people on a face-to-face basis? Now imagine how much easier the internet makes that process when you're separated by miles and miles of cable, satellites and the security of your own comfortable room at home. With no-one watching.

Me personally I haven't.... But then I am a "what you see is what you get" kinda gal wink
We have only experienced a handful of people that have been "shirty" in their response to being told no.... I find them highly amusing to be honest :lol2:
Let's face it we cant fancy all of the people all of the time, wouldn't life be boring biggrin
Quote by PoloLady
The only bad experience we had in a club when we told a couple we really wasn't interested in playing,was the woman to start crying saying "why don't you fancy me?".....well we really didn't know what to do.....so just left the club!

YOUCH!
I think alcohol may also have been a factor.
Large amounts of booze and clubs just don't mix - it is one of my pet hates and I have to admit it is women that are the prime offenders. I was at a club once (if only I had only seen this just the once) and a cackle of 3 drunken women were wandering around proclaiming how drunk they were. Strangely they seemed confused why slumping over the seating and loudly announcing "oh I have had too much to drink" " I am more than tipsy, I'm smashed" (and so on) didn't have a queue of people ready and willing to take advantage of their presence.
I am sorry but if you want to go on a piss-up... go to a pub. If you need to drink that much to feel relaxed enough ... should you actually be there at all?
(side-track rant over - though I reserve the right to change my mind) lol
Back to the actual question...
Does the way people have/may have responded to your declines over the internet have any impact on how you feel about declining people at clubs or elsewhere in the flesh?
got to agree there beer lots of it dont mix at clubs seen to many people falling over ,and not a turn on having some one drunk slavering all over you ,thinks its harder for them to take in a polite no,we both used to feel a bit crap saying no,specially with in ear shot of other people but now when had a bit of a problem we just deal with it and if it has to come to a raised voice so be it ,then move on
Quote by Shireen_Mids
The only thing that really still bothers me is the "You've become too much a freind to fuck you now"
I somehow can't see past the thought that it's a bit of a "cop out" answer.

Dont you think that it is harder to say no to someone who has become a good friend but you wouldn't want to fuck?? Personally for all my confidence I do....
That's mainly because I would hate to loose that person as a friend... Fortunately it hasn't happened so far, but if it was a face to face moment I dont know what I would do dunno

:thumbup:
I think sometimes maybe the best friendships are built on the mutual respect and trust gained from not wanting to fuck eachother :dunno: You can talk about stuff (anything) because its on a platonic level, and not as part of the 'i want to get you into bed' ritual. It sounds daft (on a swingers site) but sometimes that's how I see it.
If someone said it to me, i'd probably take it as a 'i'm frightened of upsetting the applecart/ affecting our friendship, not as a 'cop out' (depending on the person, and the circumstances/ other people involved if playing together ever were on the cards :dunnosmile
Shireen I think it is infinately harder to say No to someone you like and respect as a friend than it is some strange bloke in a club, because it matters, to both/ all of you. If I say 'thankyou but I'm not interested' to somone who's mailed me from the ads section, or approached me in a club, it doesnt make me feel bad, it doesnt matter. But to someone I consider a 'friend' - as opposed to an aquaintance or mate - then it matters, it really does, espcially if they then feel like its a cop out, which would be quite sad really.
mind you, having said all that, I havent had any offers to decline anyway so have no fookin idea what i'm on about lol loon
IMHO, if they can't deal with a thanks but no thanks reply, they ain't the sort of folks you'd want to meet anyway
to me the 'your loss' type response just screams 'arrogant tosser' not the sort of person I would want to get intimate with, or be intimate with me or my partner
if they don't have the basic gumption to understand what no means, I guess the consequences in the flesh could be a bit nasty
Quote by ebgb
IMHO, if they can't deal with a thanks but no thanks reply, they ain't the sort of folks you'd want to meet anyway
to me the 'your loss' type response just screams 'arrogant tosser' not the sort of person I would want to get intimate with, or be intimate with me or my partner
if they don't have the basic gumption to understand what no means, I guess the consequences in the flesh could be a bit nasty

My thoughts exactly.
i dont send PM's in the hope of meeting people, my confidence is nowhere near close enough, but what i have done, is send PM's based on conversations with people in the chatroom, or postings on the forum
While i understand people sorting the wheat from the chaff, it has annoyed me in the past that i havent received a reply
but when i sit and think about it, i realise that mine may be one of a few that a person would have to trawl quite a few messages, and it may have got lost among them, it may well be that i havent worded it particularly well, it may well be the person is ignorant, it may well be that i have been ignorant
if i let it get to me that somebody hasnt got the manners to even acknowledge that i have sent one, or they are too busy, or they dont want to encourage the likes of me then i could potentially lose a future chat mate, purely because i am throwing a hissy fit that i havent had any kind of reply
Maybe the original message didn't warrent a reply in the recipients own opinion? dunno
I'm terrible for thinking... Oh I'll PM them back later and then when I get around to it a week later, the person has dropped off the face of the earth. lol So then I think... why did I bother with that then??? confused rolleyes And sooooo it goes on.
Ive never been put off saying no to someone in real life because of online. Ive been put off saying no online because of real life though. (if that makes sense? :dunno: )
we went to a munch once and the person said "hi my names blah blah(yes funny name lol ) thats all off he went and he went early anyway when we got home later we switched the pc on and a message and there was a email saying" hey i met you at the munch my name was blah blah(see is real name :lol: ) i really would like to meet you for some good sex i thought we got on really well" :shock: made me think what goes through peoples minds some times,any we were very polite and sent a thanks but no thanks ,and we have seen the person since and he aint ever spoke again not even a hello ,i find that a bit sad as we have very good freinds that we have turned donw aint ever been mentioned again and we can get on the phone and turn out for a drink with.
Quote by Freckledbird
what pee's me off is you take time to write a message to somone , and give them abit of info you etc and you don't get no reply what so-ever
a simple "thanks for the message but im not intrested " will do
mad

So many pm's, so little time - it's a very common and frequent complaint honey.
I'm very guilty of that .. sorry redface lol
Quote by curvy-gal
what pee's me off is you take time to write a message to somone , and give them abit of info you etc and you don't get no reply what so-ever
a simple "thanks for the message but im not intrested " will do
mad

So many pm's, so little time - it's a very common and frequent complaint honey.
I'm very guilty of that .. sorry redface lol
Don't be hun you must get load of PM's. I'm getting loads now so know how you feel
See here
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/84049.html