Sorry folks but I agree with Fabio and Dawn.
We still do not know for certain who is responsible and what real cost of this horrendous act actually is.
I am more than happy to enter a discussion on terrorism etc. but people will bw bound to disagree with each other, get upset etc. and this thread is NOT the right place for that.
By the way, I hope my comments earlier were not seen as an attempt to bait anyone, either in particular or in general. That's just not my style. Erm, not that I have any style that is, just see my pants to know that.
Chris
It's like when someone goes to the shop and says "I'm gonna get some grapes, do you want me to get you some too?" and you say no, then when they get back with the grapes you start eating them and they tell you to piss off because they offered to get you some so oyu say;
I didn't want grapes, I wanted YOUR grapes, stolen ones always taste much sweeter!"
(I'm not advocating stealing here by the way...)
Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY REESE!
This is exactly the kind of thread needed to keep all the "debates" about the who/why/what's of the bombs in London.
And I'm with scandal, Seagull and Marmalaid.... lets talk it about it, lets even laugh if needed, because it's a very British thing to do in a crisis, lets not go hate-mongering on the whole of the Middle east because apparently , at this moment, it appears to be Al Queda.
The site has rules, so lets abide by them, and sure it's going to bring up some very strong arguments, but it's a debate.. not a Womens Institute tea-party.
I'm posting this now, to write my view on it.....
TB and GB hang your heads low in shame and continue to do so.......
Cathy x
I'm a member of a unrelated forum where political posts like this would be removed within minutes of being posted. They stopped them because a minority were causing offence and using an open forum - like this - to bait others. No-one likes moderators or what they do, but they have reasons.
If this thread is for support of the victims of the latest murders - because that is what they are - then my heart goes out to their families and the many who are injured because of the actions of terrorists.
If any of the mere mortals here become moderators, you will understand the work that goes on behind the scenes by what are largely volunteers - at least they are on other forums I use regularly.
In the main "london bombs" thread a few people expressed outrage at this happening and seemed to want to exact revenge on someone. But lets just stop for a moment and think..... because that may be the very reason theycame here to plant bombs in the first place... we have bombed innocent people in their country!
As I think scandal said : we have sown the wind and we shall reap the whirlwind.
We invade another country, that had nothing whatsoever to do with the Twin-Towers/911 or Al-Queda, using 2 major armies of the developed world to crush a tin pot dictator. We destroy the infrastructure and we are still , even now, fighting an insurgency in which innocent people are killed by our side. That then descends into some kind of hellish nightmare of an occupation where the re-building of the infrastructure is given to mainly American companies.
We are complicit in the destruction of life in Iraq. There are mothers and fathers there who don't know why their kids were killed by us. I AM NOTsaying the bombs in London are justified, but I am saying we have to look at our own actions first before we start to descend into some kind of "why us?....lets kick some ass" American-like reaction.
Tonight, some people are going to get beaten up, or worse, somewhere, just because they happen to live in the UK and look like an arab. It'll be the same kind of small minded hatred that fuelled Kristall Nacht in Nazi Germany.... And it stinks.
We started an illegal war, we bombed people, we smashed a country to smithereens just so we could grab the oil and sell the rebuilding rights to Mega-Corps Inc.
And if it wasn't a war for oil, why aren't we invading Zimbabwe or North korea? (or a dozen other tin pot dictators that are at least as bad as Saddam Hussein?)
Gawd... i'm going to get slated.... but it's my view, and lastly, I DON'T THINK IT WAS RIGHT TO PLANT BOMBS HERE EITHER!!!!
IJust know how I felt when I heard GB talking about innocent lives lost, in his statement earlier. Cathy x
was GB talking about the lives in iraq as well as those in 9/11 and london today??
Tell you what....when the two of them finally get it all done and everything is blown to fuck....I'd rather be the one comforting those with lost loved ones(assuming mine are spared) than "discussing" who fucked up and is to blame while the carnage is still falling round us!!!!!!!
I saw the Blair speech with Shrub standing behind. Was it just me or did Bush look like he was trying to supress a smirk?
And it looked like he was thinking this:
" Oh Yes.... now it all comes together, we bomb them and then call them terrorists when they bomb us, then we'll say they are against freedom while we change the laws to incarcerate people without trial, then to stop the terrorism we stoked up we'll bring in I.D cards to keep tabs on the law abiding population, brilliant!!! Mwahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha......."
