hay chippin everyone sounds good to me!!
if you aint being a criminal you gor nothing to worry about!! the chip can hold all your data prints DNA iris print NHS no ......ect
you dont have the right chip you are a .......you go to prison or expelled solve a lot of problems in a single stroke!!!
who's against this?
maybe the fools who say its wrong to punish children
wrong to punish adolesent thugs
wrong to punish murderers
do you maybe see where I am comming from!!
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so wots new the last person to give power to is someone who says I shud be in charge!
but untill we get a better sustem make everyone subject to the law and police politicans or public servents of any type caught courupting the the system shud get the maximum sentence without early relese! also remove all the patronage if someone is elected to represent me and payed for that job they shud not be available to the highest bidder!
that tory idiot running for mayor of london makes £4million a year out of selling his vote!
but untill we get a better sustem make everyone subject to the law and police politicans or public servents of any type caught courupting the the system shud get the maximum sentence without early relese! also remove all the patronage if someone is elected to represent me and payed for that job they shud not be available to the highest bidder!
that tory idiot running for mayor of london makes £4million a year out of selling his vote!
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so wots new the last person to give power to is someone who says I shud be in charge!
but untill we get a better sustem make everyone subject to the law and police politicans or public servents of any type caught courupting the the system shud get the maximum sentence without early relese! also remove all the patronage if someone is elected to represent me and payed for that job they shud not be available to the highest bidder!
that tory idiot running for mayor of london makes £4million a year out of selling his vote!
Democratic Athens had a system for the selection of lesser public posts. All the candidates, (males over 30, not slaves or non-citizens, maybe 10% of the population,) where put in a draw. First name out got the post. More important posts where elected. Failor normally meant a trail by 500 citizens and anything up to death.
are we sugesting that we shud change our current system for 1 based on slavery?
or is it a little bit of greek that you are proposing??lol
Democratic Athens had a system for the selection of lesser public posts. All the candidates, (males over 30, not slaves or non-citizens, maybe 10% of the population,) where put in a draw. First name out got the post. More important posts where elected. Failor normally meant a trail by 500 citizens and anything up to death.
or is it a little bit of greek that you are proposing??lol
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so wots new the last person to give power to is someone who says I shud be in charge!
but untill we get a better sustem make everyone subject to the law and police politicans or public servents of any type caught courupting the the system shud get the maximum sentence without early relese! also remove all the patronage if someone is elected to represent me and payed for that job they shud not be available to the highest bidder!
that tory idiot running for mayor of london makes £4million a year out of selling his vote!
Democratic Athens had a system for the selection of lesser public posts. All the candidates, (males over 30, not slaves or non-citizens, maybe 10% of the population,) where put in a draw. First name out got the post. More important posts where elected. Failor normally meant a trail by 500 citizens and anything up to death.
Warming the Bed
To test every single person in the country now is a physical impossibility but what should be considered is new born babys should be given the swab and tested and details put on a database . thus meaning in time the whole country will be on record in years to come . criminals should instantly be done thus meaning they can be profiled against any unsolved cases if you,ve committed a crime and are against this then just hope you never get reason to be caught out. if your not guilty of anything than theres no reason why you shouldent have it done if asked to. all the crap about infringements on civil rights is a load of bollox think about coming home one night find your home burgled or a family member being killed for no reason and the person responsible being caught because his DNA were stored makes perfect sense to me to do it this way its the only way crime will decrease or have a chance of decreasing if the criminal knows they are bound to be caught
No, but maybe real penalties for poor or corrupt government.
Churchill said, the British system of democracy was the best of a bad choice.
In Britain's past city mayor's where elected, despite not wanting the job. Civic roles where a matter of duty, not ego, finance and power.
Democratic Athens had a system for the selection of lesser public posts. All the candidates, (males over 30, not slaves or non-citizens, maybe 10% of the population,) where put in a draw. First name out got the post. More important posts where elected. Failor normally meant a trail by 500 citizens and anything up to death.
Churchill said, the British system of democracy was the best of a bad choice.
In Britain's past city mayor's where elected, despite not wanting the job. Civic roles where a matter of duty, not ego, finance and power.
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are we sugesting that we shud change our current system for 1 based on slavery?
or is it a little bit of greek that you are proposing??lolso wots new the last person to give power to is someone who says I shud be in charge!
but untill we get a better sustem make everyone subject to the law and police politicans or public servents of any type caught courupting the the system shud get the maximum sentence without early relese! also remove all the patronage if someone is elected to represent me and payed for that job they shud not be available to the highest bidder!
that tory idiot running for mayor of london makes £4million a year out of selling his vote!
Democratic Athens had a system for the selection of lesser public posts. All the candidates, (males over 30, not slaves or non-citizens, maybe 10% of the population,) where put in a draw. First name out got the post. More important posts where elected. Failor normally meant a trail by 500 citizens and anything up to death.
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So a woman comes out of a pub. She is pulled into the bushes beaten and , may be killed. The man has left DNA. The DNA is tested.
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Or do we check it against a full data base of British subjects and visitors to the country, pick the man up inside a day and stop him from doing it fro the next who knows how long.
Travis
DNA testing, like fingerprints, involves comparing points from the sample if I recall correctly, 10 usually, although I have heard of 6 being used.
When a persons DNA is held in the database, it's these points which are stored - not the whole sequence, which is UNIMAGINATIVELY big. The more samples you store, the greater the chance of a match. So, lets fast forward to your utopian Britain, shall we ....
DNA from crime scene is compared with full UK database (60 million records) ...
10 match
1 is dead
2 are abroad
2 cannot be found
1 is not the person the database says they are
3 cannot account for there whereabouts
1 is 2 months old
so the police have to try and trace 10 people and (presumably, but not neccesarily) eliminate 9 from their enquiries.
Quite apart from the extra legwork this involves (luckily teh UK police have never, ever been tempted to manufacture a case against a suspect to save work), by the time the whole case comes to court, even a paralegal secretary could say the words "reasonable doubt" and gain an acquittal.
Considering the government has access to some of the best scientists in the world, it's curious they don't actually listen to them. (In private. Publicly most scientists say what the government wants them to, or risk losing their funding).
incidentally, no-one has ever PROVED fingerprints are unique. It's just accepted that given a small control database (i.e. only convicted criminals) then the chances of a match to an unknown are so small that it must have been the person in question. As soon as you start to build a MONSTER control database (i.e the whole population) then the risks of an identical fingerprint being found rise.
I have this vague picture of a future where fingerprints are much less use because the UK government managed to stumble on a case where two fingerprints could not be told apart. I wonder how popular we'd be with the rest of the world then ?
hay I got a good idea lets get rid of all these laws and prisons police ect then there will be no misscarages of justic and we can all sleep safe in the knoledge that no one has our finger prints DNA or any other way of contoling us!!
as an ex soldier who has seen active service I think I could survive (not a nice life admittedly) could you?????
before you shout about our system and demand its dismantlment you realy want to work out if you want to live in the results!!!!!!
me I dont care who has my DNA I am happy to carry an ID card
I did for many years and all it ever did was help me prove my idenitity and save me looads of hastle!!!
can I have my MOD90 back pleese!!!!!!
as an ex soldier who has seen active service I think I could survive (not a nice life admittedly) could you?????
before you shout about our system and demand its dismantlment you realy want to work out if you want to live in the results!!!!!!
me I dont care who has my DNA I am happy to carry an ID card
I did for many years and all it ever did was help me prove my idenitity and save me looads of hastle!!!
can I have my MOD90 back pleese!!!!!!
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... fingerprints, involves comparing points from the sample if I recall correctly, 10 usually, although I have heard of 6 being used.
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The full set of finger prints are stored. By reducing the finger print to a plot of divisions and swirls (clockwise and anti-clockwise) it is possible to conduct a computer search. Once a print or a small set of prints have been selected the final confirmation is made by a human using the actual print. There would be little point in only holding part of a print as no one knows which part will be found!
Different courts require a different number of points as a minimum. Perhaps this is where you get the numbers 10 and 6 from.
Travis
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... fingerprints, involves comparing points from the sample if I recall correctly, 10 usually, although I have heard of 6 being used.
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The full set of finger prints are stored. By reducing the finger print to a plot of divisions and swirls (clockwise and anti-clockwise) it is possible to conduct a computer search. Once a print or a small set of prints have been selected the final confirmation is made by a human using the actual print. There would be little point in only holding part of a print as no one knows which part will be found!
Different courts require a different number of points as a minimum. Perhaps this is where you get the numbers 10 and 6 from.
Travis
I know a hash is used to index the database. However my point still stands. If you put 100 potential matches which have to be manually checked, where there were 5, even 10 before, then you have placed an intolerable strain on the system. Well, intolerable if you actually care about geting the right person. I'm sure once our Lords and Masters realise how much more difficult it will be to secure a conviction (that pesky "reasonable doubt") they'll probably decide that being innocent is no defence in law.
Fingerprints, DNA, ID cards, are all part of a system. By concentrating on those already convicted, historically we have managed to keep the signal to noise ratio quite low, and the systems have worked. Once the S/N ratio passes a certain threshold, the system becomes useless.
Where I work, we lose a few important emails, because the spam filters have to be set quite high. If they weren't, people would get 100+ emails a day, and we'd grind to a halt. Putting everyone in the database is teh equivalent of turning the spam filter off.
I'm sure once our Lords and Masters realise how much more difficult it will be to secure a conviction (that pesky "reasonable doubt") they'll probably decide that being innocent is no defence in law.
They realised that a while ago, which is why they changed the law so that multiple trials for the same offence can be carried-out. Double jeopardy ended for murder, thin-end-of-wedge. Plus, of course, that old-and-hoary "dna evidence cannot be wrong, there is a one in two hundred billion chance of it being wrong" (statisticians say that is a true statement only if you conclude that people only have sex with aliens). DNA tests on people in a small community give the ratio as about 1:20.
Not to worry, the justice system will protect you. And if it doesn't; well, you've got a hell of a fight on your hands....they don't like to be proved wrong.
