Apologies if this same topic has been done previously -
I like to read saucy stories from time to time, both on this site and on "erotica" websites. Last night I was part way through a one (not on this site) when to my horror I realised that the story was extolling the virtues of sexual violence towards young girls. Needless to say I closed the site in absolute revulsion.
I have also seen a (fantasy, i assume) story on here, written from the point of view of a girl who is attacked, abused and left for dead by a stranger.
i am in two minds about this - does this sort of pornography give people a safe release, where the fantasy stays a fantasy and no harm is done?
Or does it "normalise", through familiarity, otherwise abhorrent views and attitudes, leading to possible horrendous results?
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Dodgy pornography
Sex God
we met and played with a couple of here where one of her fantasies was to be .....and she was on about outdoors,nothing that had been pre-planned where she new who her attacker would be or when it would happen.......but being by a complete stranger........how could that be anyones fantasy...have read many news reports where this has ruined and scared for life the female (and male in some cases) life, to the extent they could never trust the opposite sex again,even in relationships they were in before the attack happened.....
I'm afraid that today's society has much to answer to. That mainly means the media, Any media. They glamourize if that's the right word, Sex to such young children that they are almost forced to become a lot older than they are or should be.
A classic example of this is the chief police officer quoted yesterday (sun) as saying that child pornography shoul only be classed as such if the child is younger than 12yrs. ie, pre-pubescent!
I'm outraged at this, i cannot accept that a child of 15 or even 16 is not vulnerable even if already sexually active.
Child porn is exactly that!
As far as adults go, i think if as mentioned a woman would (Like) to be , then i think this woman has some serious issues that need addressing, we all may have fantasies that go to the extreme sometimes but to actually want that to happen is worrying.
That's my 2 pennies worth anyway.
X
A classic example of this is the chief police officer quoted yesterday (sun) as saying that child pornography shoul only be classed as such if the child is younger than 12yrs. ie, pre-pubescent!
I'm outraged at this, i cannot accept that a child of 15 or even 16 is not vulnerable even if already sexually active.
Child porn is exactly that!
As far as adults go, i think if as mentioned a woman would (Like) to be , then i think this woman has some serious issues that need addressing, we all may have fantasies that go to the extreme sometimes but to actually want that to happen is worrying.
That's my 2 pennies worth anyway.
X
Sex God
thats what i thought aswell...... made us think why someone would have that as a fantasy.......if you askes a 100 women what there fantasy was...being would never appear in the list......
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I think telling anyone they have issues or there must be something wrong with them because of a fantasy can also be damaging.
I'm not Telling anyone they have issues, I am simply giving my opinion which is, as said, wether or not anyone agrees with me is irrelevant.
It surely is my right to express my concerns, as the thread asks for opinions doesn't it?
I wouldn't want to push my thoughts as the be all and end all, maybe i'm wrong?
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I'm afraid that today's society has much to answer to. That mainly means the media, Any media. They glamourize if that's the right word, Sex to such young children that they are almost forced to become a lot older than they are or should be.
You can't blame media for that. It will always be a combination of peer pressure, curiosity, parenting and a number of other reasons.
Media bever had any effect on the first time I ever had sex, would never have even crossed my mind
What worries me most is why does the UK have the highest teenage pregnancy rate
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IA classic example of this is the chief police officer quoted yesterday (sun) as saying that child pornography shoul only be classed as such if the child is younger than 12yrs. ie, pre-pubescent!
I'm outraged at this, i cannot accept that a child of 15 or even 16 is not vulnerable even if already sexually active.
Child porn is exactly that!
Yes, child porn is child porn at any age and as we can't say 12is pre-pubescent for some kids, I find that worrying :eeek:
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IAs far as adults go, i think if as mentioned a woman would (Like) to be , then i think this woman has some serious issues that need addressing, we all may have fantasies that go to the extreme sometimes but to actually want that to happen is worrying.
I suggest you read the thread suggested by splendid33 and you will realise how wrong that belief is
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/81441.html?highlight=
hmmm, I Think...
My opinion, because i say what i think does that make it right?
if i told you that in my opinion it would be ok for u to jump off a cliff and you'd be ok.
Would you do it?
No, of course not.
maybe i'm just worried that someone might regret what they do, after it's happened.
At that piont there's no going back.
I dont want to p**s anyone off, but they dont have to listen to me do they!
My opinion, because i say what i think does that make it right?
if i told you that in my opinion it would be ok for u to jump off a cliff and you'd be ok.
Would you do it?
No, of course not.
maybe i'm just worried that someone might regret what they do, after it's happened.
At that piont there's no going back.
I dont want to p**s anyone off, but they dont have to listen to me do they!
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hmmm, I Think...
My opinion, because i say what i think does that make it right?
if i told you that in my opinion it would be ok for u to jump off a cliff and you'd be ok.
Would you do it?
No, of course not.
maybe i'm just worried that someone might regret what they do, after it's happened.
At that piont there's no going back.
I dont want to p**s anyone off, but they dont have to listen to me do they!
And all anyone else is doing is expressing their own opinion - you "don't have listen" either.
I think that the term " fantasy" can be misleading. We all call it that but its not actually if the people involved have arranged the whole thing. Obviously happens when the woman being has no say in the matter. I think maybe its time to give the fantasy a new name. After all its not about actually "being " its more about domination. Being dominated without actually becoming submissive?
Louise xx
Louise xx
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I think that the term " fantasy" can be misleading. We all call it that but its not actually if the people involved have arranged the whole thing. Obviously happens when the woman being has no say in the matter. I think maybe its time to give the fantasy a new name. After all its not about actually "being " its more about domination. Being dominated without actually becoming submissive?
Louise xx
in Sub Dom scenes the sub actually holds all the "power" so this isn't really submissive then....
it is semantics and the term to be used is the one that those who are involved feel most comfortable with.
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I think that the term " fantasy" can be misleading. We all call it that but its not actually if the people involved have arranged the whole thing. Obviously happens when the woman being has no say in the matter. I think maybe its time to give the fantasy a new name. After all its not about actually "being " its more about domination. Being dominated without actually becoming submissive?
Louise xx
in Sub Dom scenes the sub actually holds all the "power" so this isn't really submissive then....
it is semantics and the term to be used is the one that those who are involved feel most comfortable with.
Im just confused now.
So are you saying that if a sub wants a dom to do a certain thing then its actually the sub who is in control? I do understand a little but it can be quite complex. I guess i need some educating on the subject.Louise xx
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I think that the term " fantasy" can be misleading. We all call it that but its not actually if the people involved have arranged the whole thing. Obviously happens when the woman being has no say in the matter. I think maybe its time to give the fantasy a new name. After all its not about actually "being " its more about domination. Being dominated without actually becoming submissive?
Louise xx
in Sub Dom scenes the sub actually holds all the "power" so this isn't really submissive then....
it is semantics and the term to be used is the one that those who are involved feel most comfortable with.
Im just confused now.
So are you saying that if a sub wants a dom to do a certain thing then its actually the sub who is in control? I do understand a little but it can be quite complex. I guess i need some educating on the subject.Louise xx
Louise xx
I don't want to hi-jack the thread louise... so if you want my takeon Sub/Dom then feel free to start a new thread on it... or PM me. Or pop round and we can really discuss it in detail :twisted:
Quote by Argt05
I'm afraid that today's society has much to answer to. That mainly means the media, Any media. They glamourize if that's the right word, Sex to such young children that they are almost forced to become a lot older than they are or should be.
A classic example of this is the chief police officer quoted yesterday (sun) as saying that child pornography shoul only be classed as such if the child is younger than 12yrs. ie, pre-pubescent!
I'm outraged at this, i cannot accept that a child of 15 or even 16 is not vulnerable even if already sexually active.
Child porn is exactly that!
As far as adults go, i think if as mentioned a woman would (Like) to be , then i think this woman has some serious issues that need addressing, we all may have fantasies that go to the extreme sometimes but to actually want that to happen is worrying.
That's my 2 pennies worth anyway.
X
I think what the Chief Police officer said was not to do with porn. Rather , it was to say that men who had sex with girls between the ages of 13 - 15 were less guilty (my word) than guys that had sex with girls under 13 (why he excluded MM sex is not detailed). So, basically he was saying that there are degrees of culpability (?)
As for the thing. I knew someone that had a fantasy. At first I was appalled - but when she explained to me that she did not want to be ' ' but just wanted to be vunerable ; then it started to make some sense.
Paul
Sex God
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I'm afraid that today's society has much to answer to. That mainly means the media, Any media. They glamourize if that's the right word, Sex to such young children that they are almost forced to become a lot older than they are or should be.
A classic example of this is the chief police officer quoted yesterday (sun) as saying that child pornography shoul only be classed as such if the child is younger than 12yrs. ie, pre-pubescent!
I'm outraged at this, i cannot accept that a child of 15 or even 16 is not vulnerable even if already sexually active.
Child porn is exactly that!
As far as adults go, i think if as mentioned a woman would (Like) to be , then i think this woman has some serious issues that need addressing, we all may have fantasies that go to the extreme sometimes but to actually want that to happen is worrying.
That's my 2 pennies worth anyway.
X
I think what the Chief Police officer said was not to do with porn. Rather , it was to say that men who had sex with girls between the ages of 13 - 15 were less guilty (my word) than guys that had sex with girls under 13 (why he excluded MM sex is not detailed). So, basically he was saying that there are degrees of culpability (?)
As for the thing. I knew someone that had a fantasy. At first I was appalled - but when she explained to me that she did not want to be ' ' but just wanted to be vunerable ; then it started to make some sense.
Paul
actually what the Chief Constable said is that IF it is consenual and the girls are between 13-15 then boys 19 or under shouldn't be charged and should be cautioned...... whereas at the moment, these people would have to be charged with and regardless of the circumstances...
HOWEVER he did say that if they are 20 or over then they should be charged to the fullest extent of the law......
it is an interesting topic and raises several subjects........
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actually what the Chief Constable said is that IF it is consenual and the girls are between 13-15 then boys 19 or under shouldn't be charged and should be cautioned...... whereas at the moment, these people would have to be charged with and regardless of the circumstances...
HOWEVER he did say that if they are 20 or over then they should be charged to the fullest extent of the law......
it is an interesting topic and raises several subjects........
Very interesting i agree but also stupid especially coming from a chief constable
19 or under shouldn't be charged and should be cautioned. :shock:
20 or over then they should be charged to the fullest extent of the law. :shock: :shock:
It's either a criminal offence or its not regardless of age, race, religion, blah blah and for someone high up in the police ranks to come out with that is very worring indead, If that came from an MP he or she would be forced to resign.
Sex God
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actually what the Chief Constable said is that IF it is consenual and the girls are between 13-15 then boys 19 or under shouldn't be charged and should be cautioned...... whereas at the moment, these people would have to be charged with and regardless of the circumstances...
HOWEVER he did say that if they are 20 or over then they should be charged to the fullest extent of the law......
it is an interesting topic and raises several subjects........
Very interesting i agree but also stupid especially coming from a chief constable
19 or under shouldn't be charged and should be cautioned. :shock:
20 or over then they should be charged to the fullest extent of the law. :shock: :shock:
It's either a criminal offence or its not regardless of age, race, religion, blah blah and for someone high up in the police ranks to come out with that is very worring indead, If that came from an MP he or she would be forced to resign.
we are never going to agree on anything are we.......
actually to give you credit, that was one of the things that it brought up why discriminate because of age.....and that was one of my first thoughts on the subject......
so playing devils advocate with the subject , i thought about it a little........ if people were girlfriend/boyfriend would you charge for example a 17 yr for having sex with a 15 yr old....... or a 16 yr old for having sex with a 14 yr old....... because at the moment the law says yes...... I know that under american law regardless of circumstances it would be "statitory " i am sure someone will come and tell me what would happen under english or scottish law
now.... lets take that a step further......the 14/16 yr old is a particularly relevant one to me... i was 14 and lost my virignity to a 16 year old... we were boy/girlfriend.....she was in the year above me at school.... again the question would be, would you charge in that situation???? was the 16 yr old doing something so bad that it had to be punished?
when you put it like that i can kinda understand what the chief constable was trying to say....up to a point there has to be some common sense policing of the laws.....
yes i know a law is a law is a law....... but if in the end it divert time and resources into catching the bad people, then i can understand what in a sense is being proposed.....
okay he could have said it a bit better....but couldn't we all.....
sean xxxxx
Sorry to go all simplistic but you have to draw the line somewhere, and that line is 16. I felt mature at 14, but looking back I can see that I wasn't at all.
They way I look at it is if I had a 13/14/15 year old child would I want them having sex? Let alone with somebody who is older, as I believe that even 2 or 3 age difference can seem vast when you are growing up.
I'm realistic, could I stop my child having sex? No. But on the other hand I think a deterrent, no matter how small can only be a good thing.
They way I look at it is if I had a 13/14/15 year old child would I want them having sex? Let alone with somebody who is older, as I believe that even 2 or 3 age difference can seem vast when you are growing up.
I'm realistic, could I stop my child having sex? No. But on the other hand I think a deterrent, no matter how small can only be a good thing.
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we are never going to agree on anything are we.......
sean xxxxx
I didn’t think I was disagreeing with you? I thought I was disagreeing with the chief constable, whether you agree with him or not that’s a different matter, i just think that if the age of consent is 16 we have to try to abide by it and anyone over that age who has sex with anyone under 16 should be held accountable as they should know better, they know the risks involved beforehand so why shouldn’t they be held responsible for their actions. If both are under the age of consent they should also be held accountable and the reason I say both is time and time again its only the male half that’s made accountable in such cases which I don’t agree with, you might think that’s harsh coming from a fem but im also a mother, the only one’s I do feel for are the ones that are lied too, for example if the other person lies about their age as this happens more often than not as I’m sure most will agree.
Warming the Bed
it is an interesting topic and raises several subjects........
Indeed. And the chance of reasoned debate? Hmm...
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Very interesting i agree but also stupid especially coming from a chief constable
Err, why? The Police are responsible for enforcing the law. To my mind he appears to be very well placed to comment.
It's either a criminal offence or its not regardless of age, race, religion, blah blah
The law already differentiates. Under the age of 13, it's , regardless of other factors. At the age of 13 and above, and with the consent of the child, the offence is unlawful sexual intercourse, for which the penalties are less severe.
and for someone high up in the police ranks to come out with that is very worring indead, If that came from an MP he or she would be forced to resign.
Which says more about the state of British politics, and probably British public debate, than it does about remarks made by Policemen, politicians, or anyone else...
Take care,
PJ - who finds threads like this rather depressing. Reductio ad , anyone?
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i am in two minds about this - does this sort of pornography give people a safe release, where the fantasy stays a fantasy and no harm is done?
Or does it "normalise", through familiarity, otherwise abhorrent views and attitudes, leading to possible horrendous results?
In my personal opinion, it depends on the person reading/viewing the pornography.
I think its probable that some people use what you call "dodgy" pornography, and it quenches their desire, and stops them going further. A familiar example that comes to mind, is the St Trinians outfit, worn by kiss-o-grams, hen parties, etc. While it can be seen as sexy to many people, most are able to distinguish between the fantasy of a mature woman in a schoolgirl costume, and the reality of a real school girl.
But I do think that, to people who are maybe already "interested" in the things that most of us find abhorrent, the easy access to the pornography DOES "normalise it through familiarity" as cherry suggests.
