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That stupid woman who says we are all dismal specimens. Who the hell does she think she is? She believes we are worse than what you can scrape off your shoe. The nasty person . I would use stronger adjectives to describe her, but I'm not lowering myself to her bigoted standards!
Then don't forget the other expert on Swinging - the caricaturist
. He went to a club in Manchester and reckoned most of the women looked like they didn't want to be there. I take it his unbiased view wasn't clouded by the lack of commissions he got that night! Where do they dig up these idiots. :taz:
Well, if they are picking on us, it only means they are leaving some other poor sod alone - who said Ian Duncan-Smith?
Mal
. I would use stronger adjectives to describe her, but I'm not lowering myself to her bigoted standards! Then don't forget the other expert on Swinging - the caricaturist
. He went to a club in Manchester and reckoned most of the women looked like they didn't want to be there. I take it his unbiased view wasn't clouded by the lack of commissions he got that night! Where do they dig up these idiots. :taz:Well, if they are picking on us, it only means they are leaving some other poor sod alone - who said Ian Duncan-Smith?
Mal
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Hi Mark
Got # 8- yippee - but Pete's chasing me!!!
Mal
Got # 8- yippee - but Pete's chasing me!!!
Mal
Sex God
Damn, I could have listened to some interesting conversation about swinging this afty, while I was...erm, swinging (well, I wasn't, just doing a bit of research ).
Dismal specimens? Did someone really say that? The cheek of it
).Dismal specimens? Did someone really say that? The cheek of it
Orgasminator
We actually listened to the Radio2 programme and could not believe the one-sided drivel that we were hearing. Although Barry and Marie were promoting swinging (and, in a way, their club) all the 'against' arguments seemed a lot stronger.
We actually managed to get through on the phone lines to put our point of view, but, would you believe it, neither of our views were aired .
We like Radio2. We trust the BBC. But we were astounded by the completely unbalanced sensationalism that we were hearing.
And as for that woman accusing us of being the lowest form of the human race, she's probably never orgasmed in her life.
We actually managed to get through on the phone lines to put our point of view, but, would you believe it, neither of our views were aired
.We like Radio2. We trust the BBC. But we were astounded by the completely unbalanced sensationalism that we were hearing.
And as for that woman accusing us of being the lowest form of the human race, she's probably never orgasmed in her life.
Sex God
Absolutely - it's a well know scientific fact that extreme sexual frustration warps the brain - that woman probably just needs a good seeing to - any offers? :twisted:
I tried to access the BBC site to hear the show... but they seem to wipe the old ones once the new ones have been broadcast... which is a tad annoying as they hold vaults of naff radio plays on Radio 4 for a whole ruddy week!
I knew the MB wouldn't hold much cop as their Mod Squad are sensitive to anything that might alarm the old dears. No discussing Blowjobs at the BBC!!
Hxx
I knew the MB wouldn't hold much cop as their Mod Squad are sensitive to anything that might alarm the old dears. No discussing Blowjobs at the BBC!!
Hxx
Mmmmm,,, Mark I will have a look at it tonight. I will edit out all the other stuff and come back to you on file size. I have in the past issued radio broadcasts on the Internet myself with no problems at all, just can’t remember what I did at this very moment in time but it was not in mp3 way back then.
As they say leave it to me
Paul
As they say leave it to me
Paul
I can't bear to hear it again - I listened to the live version during a free period (or at least most of it cos a pupil barged into my room and I had to hastily turn it off - but laughed at the confusion between 'swinging' and 'swimming' cos I'm a swimming specialist!!
Narrow-minded, blinkered right wing people are entitled to their views - but so am I.
x
Narrow-minded, blinkered right wing people are entitled to their views - but so am I.
x
Have just downloaded and listened to the Radio 2 mp3's. I thought the BBC were unbiased, however it seemed to be a way of poking fun at what at the moment is a minority group. Is that not discrimination and against the law.
There seemed to be such a lot of bollocks being spoken. Full credit to those swingers who got involved to champion our cause.
:x :x :x
Hold on folk... take a wider view here.... for a moment,
The owners of LeChambre were allocated 9 minutes of 'pro' swinging air time, and I'd say they did a relatively decent job of promotion.
Jeremy Vine then mentioned another couple having messaged into the show to support swinging...
On the other side was the 'anti' side Lynnette Burrows was given 2 minutes of airtime
Spencer the artist from Manchester was allocated 1 minute 15 seconds and had a negative, but overly strong view.
Ritch from Exeter was mentioned on the air in support of it.
Steve from Cardiff was given air time of 2 minutes 40 seconds in support of it.
So based on the 3 files on this site... it's
In favour = 11 mins 40 secs (Lechamber owners 9 minutes,Ritch From exeter = Mentioned, Steve from cardiff 2 mins 40 secs)
Against = 3 minutes 15 secs (Lynette Burrows 2 minutes, Spencer from Manchester 1 minute 15 seconds)
Be reasonable folks.... it was a good deal for Swinging, not a bad one... it was positive and whilst Lynette Burrows is entitled to her opinion, she came across as intolerant, whilst (expectedly) the swingers came across as more liberal.
Swinging isn't everybody's cup of tea, and for some, it's wrong. Don't knock them for thinking it's wrong. We don't want folk knocking us for thinking it's right.
Right, I've said my piece.... back to your beds!!
/TheKid
The owners of LeChambre were allocated 9 minutes of 'pro' swinging air time, and I'd say they did a relatively decent job of promotion.
Jeremy Vine then mentioned another couple having messaged into the show to support swinging...
On the other side was the 'anti' side Lynnette Burrows was given 2 minutes of airtime
Spencer the artist from Manchester was allocated 1 minute 15 seconds and had a negative, but overly strong view.
Ritch from Exeter was mentioned on the air in support of it.
Steve from Cardiff was given air time of 2 minutes 40 seconds in support of it.
So based on the 3 files on this site... it's
In favour = 11 mins 40 secs (Lechamber owners 9 minutes,Ritch From exeter = Mentioned, Steve from cardiff 2 mins 40 secs)
Against = 3 minutes 15 secs (Lynette Burrows 2 minutes, Spencer from Manchester 1 minute 15 seconds)
Be reasonable folks.... it was a good deal for Swinging, not a bad one... it was positive and whilst Lynette Burrows is entitled to her opinion, she came across as intolerant, whilst (expectedly) the swingers came across as more liberal.
Swinging isn't everybody's cup of tea, and for some, it's wrong. Don't knock them for thinking it's wrong. We don't want folk knocking us for thinking it's right.
Right, I've said my piece.... back to your beds!!
/TheKid
it's always going to happen as soon as you mention swinging... like it or not it's 'deviant' behaviour. The majority don't do it... the minority do.
As soon as you have that situation, someone will say that swinging's unreasonable and on the whole full of extremists / sad folk. It's no worse than a bloody star trek convention.
Each to their own I say, but let folk hang themselves. I think she did that pretty well lol. A half decent 'anti swinging' lobby could have done a better hatchet job with a little more subtlety.
Yeah I timed it... didn't intend to be too accurate then got into the 'if I say 10 mins, some prÃck will come back and say, Kid, you're wrong, it was 9', so sod it... I'm an engineer... what do expect? Inaccuracies are reserved for penis size estimates lol
As soon as you have that situation, someone will say that swinging's unreasonable and on the whole full of extremists / sad folk. It's no worse than a bloody star trek convention.
Each to their own I say, but let folk hang themselves. I think she did that pretty well lol. A half decent 'anti swinging' lobby could have done a better hatchet job with a little more subtlety.
Yeah I timed it... didn't intend to be too accurate then got into the 'if I say 10 mins, some prÃck will come back and say, Kid, you're wrong, it was 9', so sod it... I'm an engineer... what do expect? Inaccuracies are reserved for penis size estimates lol
To an optimist - the glass is half full
To a pessimist - the glass is half empty
To an engineer - the glass is the wrong size.
I have just listened to it.
The 'fors' spoke about swinging, themselves, and the benefits to them as people and couples.
The 'againsts' spoke about people, and tried to get in as many personal insults as they possibly could. They just wanted to make people FEEL bad.
It would be interesting to have statistics to compare:
how often long married swinging couples have sex with each other,
and
how often long married non-swinging couples have sex with each other.
or the number or argument
or the divorce rates
or the affair rates
or how much time they spend together
or how much they talk
or how often they say 'I love you'
Yes, I am a soppy old romantic at heart, and since we decided to swing we have both become soppier and more romantic with each other.
I read this once and it always stuck with me.
People are often unreasonable, illogical and self-centered;
Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;
Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies;
Succeed anyway.
If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;
Be honest and frank anyway.
What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;
Build anyway
If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;
Be happy anyway.
The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;
Do good anyway.
Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;
Give the world the best you've got anyway.
You see in the final analysis. it is between you and God;
It was never between you and them anyway.
Mother Theresa.
And if you are not god fearing - then it is just between you, and yourself.
So why give a shit about what they think??
lhk
Kat
To a pessimist - the glass is half empty
To an engineer - the glass is the wrong size.
I have just listened to it.
The 'fors' spoke about swinging, themselves, and the benefits to them as people and couples.
The 'againsts' spoke about people, and tried to get in as many personal insults as they possibly could. They just wanted to make people FEEL bad.
It would be interesting to have statistics to compare:
how often long married swinging couples have sex with each other,
and
how often long married non-swinging couples have sex with each other.
or the number or argument
or the divorce rates
or the affair rates
or how much time they spend together
or how much they talk
or how often they say 'I love you'
Yes, I am a soppy old romantic at heart, and since we decided to swing we have both become soppier and more romantic with each other.
I read this once and it always stuck with me.
People are often unreasonable, illogical and self-centered;
Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;
Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies;
Succeed anyway.
If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;
Be honest and frank anyway.
What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;
Build anyway
If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;
Be happy anyway.
The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;
Do good anyway.
Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;
Give the world the best you've got anyway.
You see in the final analysis. it is between you and God;
It was never between you and them anyway.
Mother Theresa.
And if you are not god fearing - then it is just between you, and yourself.
So why give a shit about what they think??
lhk
Kat
We listened to the programs Kilroy and radio 2 and we are not put off one little bit, in fact it has help us a lot. The way I see this ‘is’ some other people just don’t have the adventure as we have. It’s them who don’t know what they are missing. Rachel and I are swinging virgins at the moment and who knows that maybe the way we stay, but we are looking and that’s all that can be asked of us. We are the lucky ones by having the ability to explore our inner sexual feelings, fantasies. If we were asked the question on swinging the day we got married who knows what we would have said at that time. The world is full of people telling you what’s good for you, but just look at the state of the world. You just have to accept that our likes are not everybody’s cup of tea and get on with it or we would all be like the sad people trying to tell us what we should be doing.
Anyway it was just a free advert wasn’t it.
8 days to go to our first night at a club LOL
Paul
Anyway it was just a free advert wasn’t it.
8 days to go to our first night at a club LOL
Paul
Kat, I have to agree with you there, I don't give a shit what people think, it's what I'm into and that's the final word on it.
Since I decided that swinging was for me, I've become a lot closer to my partner (as he has to me) and we definitely have a lot more love for each other now that we can both be honest about what we want.
In my view, it's a lot better than cheating and lets face it - that happens in a lot of relationships.
We are just looking to spice up things a little, we aren't doing anything wrong!
Since I decided that swinging was for me, I've become a lot closer to my partner (as he has to me) and we definitely have a lot more love for each other now that we can both be honest about what we want.
In my view, it's a lot better than cheating and lets face it - that happens in a lot of relationships.
We are just looking to spice up things a little, we aren't doing anything wrong!
Thanks Blue eyes
But how fare dose one have to go to be classed as a swinger may I ask. I mean dose walking thought the door at a club qualify you as a member of the swinging community. And will I be getting a badge or something to commemorate the occasion.
But in any case I know we will be in good company if we do qualify lol
Thanks again
Paul
But how fare dose one have to go to be classed as a swinger may I ask. I mean dose walking thought the door at a club qualify you as a member of the swinging community. And will I be getting a badge or something to commemorate the occasion.
But in any case I know we will be in good company if we do qualify lol
Thanks again
Paul
Sex God
Paul80 - you are at the moment officially a hanger (a term coined by kitKat some time ago to denote someone who is interested in Swinging, but hasn't actually done it yet). To achieve full swinger status you do actually have to swing, I'm afraid. Just popping your head round the door of a swinger's club will not suffice, you have to get into the thick of things
Re, the radio 2 programme - I haven't listened to it, but can imagine how it went. It's not the amount of time that is important as far as the public's perceptions about the issues goes, it's about the stregnth of argument (from a psychological perspective that is, don't even go there! ). If we want to educate the public about swinging, even if it is just to be more tolerant we have a tough journey ahead, as the opposing people tend to rely on arguments which are actually quite difficult to argue with in any rational sense. However, what has been said already on this thread makes sense to me - bugger what people think (literally :shock: ) and just have a damn good time - we are doing nothing wrong, after all :P
Re, the radio 2 programme - I haven't listened to it, but can imagine how it went. It's not the amount of time that is important as far as the public's perceptions about the issues goes, it's about the stregnth of argument (from a psychological perspective that is, don't even go there!
). If we want to educate the public about swinging, even if it is just to be more tolerant we have a tough journey ahead, as the opposing people tend to rely on arguments which are actually quite difficult to argue with in any rational sense. However, what has been said already on this thread makes sense to me - bugger what people think (literally :shock: ) and just have a damn good time - we are doing nothing wrong, after all :P I am the original spencer the artist who had an on-air chat with Jeremy Vine... I didn't mean to be so critical about swinging in general - it's a free country and people can do what the hell they want as long as they don't break the law.
It's just that I tend to collapse into an insane panic whenever I get on national radio and blurt out any old rubbish! Happens every week... not
so I take it back, I just wanted my 15 mins of fame...
and my mates were all agog
see ya! edited by moderator
It's just that I tend to collapse into an insane panic whenever I get on national radio and blurt out any old rubbish! Happens every week... not
so I take it back, I just wanted my 15 mins of fame...
and my mates were all agog
see ya! edited by moderator
Orgasminator
It is attitudes like that of Lynnette Burrows which have brought this country to its knees in many respects. Her attitude of "I don't like it, therefore it is bad and no one must to it" was all pervasive during the 70's, 80's and early 90's.
We now have a society where we can't do a lot of things. Not necessarily because they are against the law, but because of the false accusations and stigma that can totally ruin a person's life.
The pendulum has swung too far the wrong way and balance needs restoring.
Lynnette Burrows is entitled to her opinion but we, as Swingers, must prove that it is her, and people like her, who are narrow minded, bigoted and do much more harm than good. What we could with is someone in PR to help put together a campaign to show that Lynnette Burrows and her ilk are sad, misguided and deluded individuals.
I have a great deal of difficulty in understanding why people feel they have to meddle in other people's lives.
I have two mottos of sorts. One borrowed from the Chinese: "There must be balance in everything". The other "Live and let Live".
We now have a society where we can't do a lot of things. Not necessarily because they are against the law, but because of the false accusations and stigma that can totally ruin a person's life.
The pendulum has swung too far the wrong way and balance needs restoring.
Lynnette Burrows is entitled to her opinion but we, as Swingers, must prove that it is her, and people like her, who are narrow minded, bigoted and do much more harm than good. What we could with is someone in PR to help put together a campaign to show that Lynnette Burrows and her ilk are sad, misguided and deluded individuals.
I have a great deal of difficulty in understanding why people feel they have to meddle in other people's lives.
I have two mottos of sorts. One borrowed from the Chinese: "There must be balance in everything". The other "Live and let Live".
Sex God
Right now we are (strangely enough) onto something I think I am qualified to express an opinion on because I'm not a Swinger I am (according to Bluexxx) a Hanger - I prefer the term Suspender but we won't go into that just now. I can therefore offer an objective point of view from the outside but with a view from the inside to help.
Lynette Whatshername Burrows?? was talking from a platform of complete ignorance. It took me several weeks of measured absorption on this site to realise that to swing as a couple you have to be well adjusted in the extreme. Swinging just doesn't work if you're not - just look at the Flintstones, Mr&Mrs FC, Kit and Kat and many, many others here to see what I mean.
None of you (us??) should take any notice of what she (and the Artist) said on the programme. You don't need their approval or opinions.
Be Happy :happy:
Lynette Whatshername Burrows?? was talking from a platform of complete ignorance. It took me several weeks of measured absorption on this site to realise that to swing as a couple you have to be well adjusted in the extreme. Swinging just doesn't work if you're not - just look at the Flintstones, Mr&Mrs FC, Kit and Kat and many, many others here to see what I mean.
None of you (us??) should take any notice of what she (and the Artist) said on the programme. You don't need their approval or opinions.
Be Happy :happy:
