its that time of the year again,
i expect the ad campaigns to start soon,in fact im surprised they havent already.
drink driving.. why do people do it?
ive only been driving for about 6 years.
i have never had a alcoholic drink and then driven.
my reasons are that i never want to be in a position i could kill someone, or should that be murder, the definition of murder losely is a pre meditated killing. which i feel it is if you get in a car drunk you are now in charge of a dangerous weapon.
do you think there should be a zero tollerance on drink driving?
and then what should the punishment be?
i was told that to know your sober you should allow one hour for every unit of alcohol to leave your body once you have stopped drinking.
so many people probally drive the next day when they are in fact still over the limit.
it will take alot for some to admit to drink driving, but if you do or have done it why do you take the risk?
what would stop you?
i understand this may be a painful topic for some, so please keep it polite and no jokes as im sure they will cause offence.
xxx fem xxx
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Hi fem 
I can't understand why this subject only appears to be raised at Christmas
For me it should be all year round.
In the 26 years since I passed my test, I have never ever driven after having had an alcoholic drink. Steve wont do it either and for me I think it should be a zero tolerance.
I can't understand why this subject only appears to be raised at Christmas
For me it should be all year round.In the 26 years since I passed my test, I have never ever driven after having had an alcoholic drink. Steve wont do it either and for me I think it should be a zero tolerance.
Mod
I don't drink anyway so it really doesn't affect me but I am all for making this country the same as others in the world and go for the zero tolerance approach.
I think it's Sweden but i may be wrong that if you are caught with any alcohol in your system at all they confiscate your car.
Don't know if that has any effect on their drink drive deaths or injuries but it must be a really good deterrent to stop people from drinking and driving.
Never drunk and drove and never will.
I think it's Sweden but i may be wrong that if you are caught with any alcohol in your system at all they confiscate your car.
Don't know if that has any effect on their drink drive deaths or injuries but it must be a really good deterrent to stop people from drinking and driving.
Never drunk and drove and never will.
Mod
Here are the drunk drive laws from around the world.
Laws Against Drunk Driving in Other Countries
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Australia: The names of the drivers are sent to local newspapers and areprinted under the heading "He's Drunk and in Jail."
Malaya: The driver is jailed; if he's married, his wife is jailed too.
South Africa: A 10-year prison sentence and/or the equivalent of a $10,000 fine.
Turkey: Drunk drivers are taken ten miles from town by the police and forced to walk back under escort.
Norway: Three weeks in jail doing hard labor, and a one-year loss of license. Second offense and license is revoked for life.
Finland and Sweden: Automatic jail for one year doing hard labor.
Costa Rica: Police remove plates from car.
Russia: License revoked for life.
England: One-year suspension of license, a £300 fine, and jail for one year, maybe and it's a big maybe.
France: Three-year loss of license, one year in jail, and a $1,000 fine.
Poland: Jail, fine, and forced to attend political lectures.
Bulgaria: A second conviction results in execution.
El Salvador: This country is unique in that it has absolutely no repeat offenders: drunk driving is punishable by execution by firing squad.
Laws Against Drunk Driving in Other Countries
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Australia: The names of the drivers are sent to local newspapers and areprinted under the heading "He's Drunk and in Jail."
Malaya: The driver is jailed; if he's married, his wife is jailed too.
South Africa: A 10-year prison sentence and/or the equivalent of a $10,000 fine.
Turkey: Drunk drivers are taken ten miles from town by the police and forced to walk back under escort.
Norway: Three weeks in jail doing hard labor, and a one-year loss of license. Second offense and license is revoked for life.
Finland and Sweden: Automatic jail for one year doing hard labor.
Costa Rica: Police remove plates from car.
Russia: License revoked for life.
England: One-year suspension of license, a £300 fine, and jail for one year, maybe and it's a big maybe.
France: Three-year loss of license, one year in jail, and a $1,000 fine.
Poland: Jail, fine, and forced to attend political lectures.
Bulgaria: A second conviction results in execution.
El Salvador: This country is unique in that it has absolutely no repeat offenders: drunk driving is punishable by execution by firing squad.
I think there should be zero tolerence.
But.. how many of us have gone out for the night, decided to have a drink so, quite responsibly, left the car somewhere, and then picked it up the next day...and possibly still been over the limit then???
I will hold my hand up and say I have done this once. I have no idea if I was over the limit or not, but I think it quite likely.
It's a sobering thought.
But.. how many of us have gone out for the night, decided to have a drink so, quite responsibly, left the car somewhere, and then picked it up the next day...and possibly still been over the limit then???
I will hold my hand up and say I have done this once. I have no idea if I was over the limit or not, but I think it quite likely.
It's a sobering thought.
Zero Limit????
You go to a dinner party & stick to your favourite non-alcoholic drink all night. Very well done.
You eaten the food, which was really scrummy, but unbeknown to you was cooked with some alcohol to improve the flavour (flambe removes the alcohol but leaves the flavour, if it's not flambed then the alcohol is still there).
You leave said dinner party thinking you've been good.
Get stopped for a minor offence (brake light broken?)
Get breath tested as the random testing was bought in at the same time as a zero limit.
Should you loose your licence?
I do believe that drink driving is actually worse in the summer months, nice evening at a country pub. I remember hearing that somewhere.
I may have spelt flambe wrong! Who knows.
You go to a dinner party & stick to your favourite non-alcoholic drink all night. Very well done.
You eaten the food, which was really scrummy, but unbeknown to you was cooked with some alcohol to improve the flavour (flambe removes the alcohol but leaves the flavour, if it's not flambed then the alcohol is still there).
You leave said dinner party thinking you've been good.
Get stopped for a minor offence (brake light broken?)
Get breath tested as the random testing was bought in at the same time as a zero limit.
Should you loose your licence?
I do believe that drink driving is actually worse in the summer months, nice evening at a country pub. I remember hearing that somewhere.
I may have spelt flambe wrong! Who knows.
maybe if that was the case you would have to state that you are driving before hand so the hosts knows you couldnt have alcohol in your food.
or get a cab
would a small amaount of alcohol eaten in food show upon a drink drive test? there are probally peramiters within the zerothat allow for such,unless you eat 10 boxes of chocolate liqures, but then if you can you deserve to be arrested lol
xxx fem xx
or get a cab
would a small amaount of alcohol eaten in food show upon a drink drive test? there are probally peramiters within the zerothat allow for such,unless you eat 10 boxes of chocolate liqures, but then if you can you deserve to be arrested lol
xxx fem xx
Sex God
This subject really gets my back up.
Look, lets be honest about this how many of you hand on heart can even walk straight when you have had a skinful? It's almost impossible to walk in a straight line let alone drive correctly so why is it surprising that pissed people crash cars? Crashes like this should not be a surprise but the big unanswered question is - what about sober people who crash cars? What is their excuse?
It's about time the full weight of the law was passed on to sober people who cause car crashes. Lets focus on these idiots because unlike drunk drivers they have absolutely no excuse whatsoever.
Look, lets be honest about this how many of you hand on heart can even walk straight when you have had a skinful? It's almost impossible to walk in a straight line let alone drive correctly so why is it surprising that pissed people crash cars? Crashes like this should not be a surprise but the big unanswered question is - what about sober people who crash cars? What is their excuse?
It's about time the full weight of the law was passed on to sober people who cause car crashes. Lets focus on these idiots because unlike drunk drivers they have absolutely no excuse whatsoever.
I believe there should be zero tolerance,many people react differently to alcohol..1 glass of wine can make me very tipsy yet 4 double vodkas seem to have no effect at all(although hubby would probably say differently)
Beers come in different strengths,A glass of wine seems to be huge compared to a few years ago and some people really don't seem to understand how many units of alcohol are in what they're drinking.
Beers come in different strengths,A glass of wine seems to be huge compared to a few years ago and some people really don't seem to understand how many units of alcohol are in what they're drinking.
Quote by Too Hot
This subject really gets my back up.
Look, lets be honest about this how many of you hand on heart can even walk straight when you have had a skinful? It's almost impossible to walk in a straight line let alone drive correctly so why is it surprising that pissed people crash cars? Crashes like this should not be a surprise but the big unanswered question is - what about sober people who crash cars? What is their excuse?
It's about time the full weight of the law was passed on to sober people who cause car crashes. Lets focus on these idiots because unlike drunk drivers they have absolutely no excuse whatsoever.
I would say that a combination of bad driving ,lack of concentration,lack of perception are just some of the reasons that sober people crash cars as well...probably not that dissimilar to the reasons that drunk people crash cars..the results are the same no matter what the reasons are but to drive your car whilst under the influence is a premeditated act.
I like a lot of people have done it once, or in some cases more than once. I did do it when I was a lot younger, but not making any excuses at all. I realise now I was a twat, but after a couple of drinks you lull yourself into a total false sense of security, that you are ok to drive.
The main trouble is that drink can have an effect on whether you have eaten or not, and many other things. People really cannot be sure whether one drink or two or even three, would be enough to take them over the limit.
I believe as I have got older that the safest and best way for everyone, is to have a no drinking policy if you are going to drive.
I also knew somebody that has done what so many have done, and that is to drink and not drive, go home and sleep and then drive the next morning. That person was still over the limit 12 hours after his last drink. I wonder how many others have thought they were safe because they had a sleep?
Bottom line is I now believe there should be a complete zero tolerence policy towards drink driving.
The main trouble is that drink can have an effect on whether you have eaten or not, and many other things. People really cannot be sure whether one drink or two or even three, would be enough to take them over the limit.
I believe as I have got older that the safest and best way for everyone, is to have a no drinking policy if you are going to drive.
I also knew somebody that has done what so many have done, and that is to drink and not drive, go home and sleep and then drive the next morning. That person was still over the limit 12 hours after his last drink. I wonder how many others have thought they were safe because they had a sleep?
Bottom line is I now believe there should be a complete zero tolerence policy towards drink driving.
I wouldn't drink so much as a half pint if I'm driving. In fact, if I go out in the evening I tend not to drink anyway so I volunteer as the designated driver.
I agree that the hard hitting adverts should be on all year round though I can see why the emphasis around Christmas and New Year as that's when most people tend to party more.
I agree that the hard hitting adverts should be on all year round though I can see why the emphasis around Christmas and New Year as that's when most people tend to party more.
Sex God
I was in an accident caused by a drink driver about 15 years ago. I was giving way to on coming traffic at a round about when this car smashed straight into me. My car was a right off & I was left with three broken ribs & my legs were trapped. lookily for me I recovered however my car had to go to car heaven!
Seriously though, if this man had thought for a few minutes before getting into his car after he had a drink, this accident wouldn't have happened!!
So all I can say from my experience is please think about others safety & get a taxi
Seriously though, if this man had thought for a few minutes before getting into his car after he had a drink, this accident wouldn't have happened!!
So all I can say from my experience is please think about others safety & get a taxi
Sex God
Almost 20 yrs ago I was banned for drink driving and it has to rank as one of the most shamefull days of my life :-(
The DD limit should be ZERO.....
There is no confusion then ......
The DD limit should be ZERO.....
There is no confusion then ......
The problem with a zero tolerance policy is that alcohol can still be detected after a few days, although sober you might fail a test on a Monday from having a drink on the Saturday night? And who defines the zero? As alcohol can be found in your bloodstream without knowingly drinking any, i.e foods, medications etc
Sex God
Quote by Steve
Almost 20 yrs ago I was banned for drink driving and it has to rank as one of the most shamefull days of my life :-(
The DD limit should be ZERO.....
There is no confusion then ......
we all learn from our mistakes hunAfter my accident I have not been behind another wheel it knocked all my confidence.
It does have its advantages though I have HIs as my chauffeur :giggle:
Sex God
Quote by Deviants
Almost 20 yrs ago I was banned for drink driving and it has to rank as one of the most shamefull days of my life :-(
The DD limit should be ZERO.....
There is no confusion then ......
Whats zero though?
Bearing in mind the body produces alcohol
It obviously doesnt produce enough to register on a roadside tester otherwise everyone would be roped in for a blood/urine test wouldn't they....
Quote by Deviants
Almost 20 yrs ago I was banned for drink driving and it has to rank as one of the most shamefull days of my life :-(
The DD limit should be ZERO.....
There is no confusion then ......
Whats zero though?
Bearing in mind the body produces alcohol
Think we all knew what he meant.
Sex God
Quote by hisandhers
It does have its advantages though I have HIs as my chauffeur :giggle:
I would also offer my (sober of course)services :rascal:
Quote by Steve
Almost 20 yrs ago I was banned for drink driving and it has to rank as one of the most shamefull days of my life :-(
The DD limit should be ZERO.....
There is no confusion then ......
Whats zero though?
Bearing in mind the body produces alcohol
It obviously doesnt produce enough to register on a roadside tester otherwise everyone would be roped in for a blood/urine test wouldn't they....
It was a serious question honest
The human body produces alcohol throughout life 24/7. It’s called endogenous ethanol production and the volume of alcohol produced depends to some degree on what foods have been eaten. On average, it appears that people can produce about one ounce of absolute or pure alcohol each day. 6 However, the law doesn’t distinguish between alcohol produced in the body and that which is consumed.
Unfortunately, so-called alcohol breath testing machines only estimate BAC, which can only be measured by testing the blood itself. Breath, perspiration and urine can only be tested to estimate the amount of alcohol in the bloodstream. 7
Research indicates that a large proportion of people tested with a Breathalyzer or similar breath machine will receive a reading higher than their actual BAC. This means that many innocent drivers are falsely convicted of DWI/DUI. 8
But there is good news. You can easily avoid both alcohol-impaired driving and unfair DWI/DUI convictions by abstaining, drinking in moderation, or either being or using a designated driver (DD) who consumes no alcohol.
Mod
Bacteria in the body produce a minute amount of alcohol in the gastrointestinal tract. Also, normal metabolic processes may produce infinitesimal amounts. While these tiny amounts are responsible for traces of alcohol dehydrogenises in your liver, they do not affect your body or behavior. Only ingested alcohol produces physiological effects and alters body functions.
When you have a drink, your mouth absorbs a small amount of alcohol. The rest travel to the stomach, where a small amount is absorbed into the bloodstream. Most of the remaining alcohol usually continues on into the small intestine; however, the rate at which this occurs depends on the concentration of alcohol and whether there is food in the stomach. If the stomach is empty, some alcohol moves directly into the small intestine in about five minutes. If there is food in the stomach, the process is slowed. From the small intestine, alcohol is rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream.
Since alcohol resembles water and behaves like water, it is highly soluble in water and travels wherever water travels in the body. Alcohol passes through cell walls and is distributed throughout the water content of cells and tissues. As alcohol circulates throughout the body, it reaches the brain and the drinker begins to feel its effects. The higher the concentration of alcohol in the blood, the greater the physical effects--and the longer it takes for the body to eliminate the alcohol.
While the body disposes of about 10 percent of the alcohol by elimination from the lungs and kidneys, the liver must metabolize the remaining 90 percent. Once metabolized by the liver, alcohol oxidizes--that is, it unites with oxygen to produce heat and energy. When the alcohol enters the liver, some of it is changed into acetaldehyde by a liver enzyme called alcohol dehydrogenises. The acetaldehyde then breaks down to form acetic acid, which is, in turn, dispersed throughout the body where it combines with oxygen to form carbon dioxide and water. The key factor in this process is that the liver can only oxidize a certain amount of alcohol at a time; the alcohol that is not being metabolized in the liver continues to circulate throughout the body.
The liver is able to oxidize approximately one-quarter ounce of absolute alcohol per hour. In other words, the body is able to eliminate approximately half the alcohol in a drink in one hour and the total alcohol in one drink in two hours. If you consume only one drink, your BAC would be zero percent in about two hours.
A small amount of alcohol may stimulate your appetite, as it causes the release of digestive juices. But excessive amounts of alcohol tend to stop the process of digestion. The effects on the circulatory system are not so dramatic. You may feel and look a little warm because alcohol dilates your surface blood vessels, but the sensation of warmth is misleading. You actually lose body heat from the expanded blood vessels. Alcohol affects nerve cell membranes. It also seems to affect the production and functioning of a number of neurotransmitters in the central nervous system, lowering their functional activity. Neurotransmitters convey messages from one nerve cell to another, so alcohol's effects on your neurotransmitters may explain its effects on you.
Your liver, in addition to its role in the oxidation of alcohol, maintains your body's blood-sugar level. But the elimination of alcohol from the body supersedes the liver's other tasks. Therefore, if you have not eaten properly and then consume an excessive amount of alcohol, hypoglycemia (low level of blood sugar) may occur. If you have eaten properly, hyperglycemia (high level of blood sugar) may occur.
Alcohol's immediate effect on the brain is most unusual. The brain is usually protected from chemicals and drugs by an electrical-chemical filter system known as the blood/brain barrier, which makes sure that only water can pass through. The simple molecular structure of alcohol allows it to penetrate this selective screen and gain easy access to the brain and its extension, the spinal cord. Consequently, alcohol has immediate and profound effects on behavior.
In high doses, alcohol is an anesthetic that acts as a depressant on the central nervous system. At very low doses (one drink) alcohol acts as a stimulant. Two drinks inhibit an anti-diuretic hormone (ADH) and increase urine flow. One experiences a slowed reaction time and poor muscle control. Judgment is impaired and as drinking continues, decision making is affected. Three drinks affect the ability to think and reason, and memory as well. One experiences reduced self-restraint and lessened inhibitions. As the alcohol depresses your control systems, visible signs of intoxication appear. Slurred speech and an unsteady gate become noticeable. Four drinks blurs the vision. After five drinks all behavior controls are compromised and the ability to stay awake is challenged. In some instances, such as chugalugging, you can reach a .50 BAC quickly, which results in a deep coma and danger of death.
Symptoms of alcohol withdrawal include thirst, headache, fatigue, nausea, and loss of appetite. The drinker feels guilt and remorse, anxiety and depression.
When you have a drink, your mouth absorbs a small amount of alcohol. The rest travel to the stomach, where a small amount is absorbed into the bloodstream. Most of the remaining alcohol usually continues on into the small intestine; however, the rate at which this occurs depends on the concentration of alcohol and whether there is food in the stomach. If the stomach is empty, some alcohol moves directly into the small intestine in about five minutes. If there is food in the stomach, the process is slowed. From the small intestine, alcohol is rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream.
Since alcohol resembles water and behaves like water, it is highly soluble in water and travels wherever water travels in the body. Alcohol passes through cell walls and is distributed throughout the water content of cells and tissues. As alcohol circulates throughout the body, it reaches the brain and the drinker begins to feel its effects. The higher the concentration of alcohol in the blood, the greater the physical effects--and the longer it takes for the body to eliminate the alcohol.
While the body disposes of about 10 percent of the alcohol by elimination from the lungs and kidneys, the liver must metabolize the remaining 90 percent. Once metabolized by the liver, alcohol oxidizes--that is, it unites with oxygen to produce heat and energy. When the alcohol enters the liver, some of it is changed into acetaldehyde by a liver enzyme called alcohol dehydrogenises. The acetaldehyde then breaks down to form acetic acid, which is, in turn, dispersed throughout the body where it combines with oxygen to form carbon dioxide and water. The key factor in this process is that the liver can only oxidize a certain amount of alcohol at a time; the alcohol that is not being metabolized in the liver continues to circulate throughout the body.
The liver is able to oxidize approximately one-quarter ounce of absolute alcohol per hour. In other words, the body is able to eliminate approximately half the alcohol in a drink in one hour and the total alcohol in one drink in two hours. If you consume only one drink, your BAC would be zero percent in about two hours.
A small amount of alcohol may stimulate your appetite, as it causes the release of digestive juices. But excessive amounts of alcohol tend to stop the process of digestion. The effects on the circulatory system are not so dramatic. You may feel and look a little warm because alcohol dilates your surface blood vessels, but the sensation of warmth is misleading. You actually lose body heat from the expanded blood vessels. Alcohol affects nerve cell membranes. It also seems to affect the production and functioning of a number of neurotransmitters in the central nervous system, lowering their functional activity. Neurotransmitters convey messages from one nerve cell to another, so alcohol's effects on your neurotransmitters may explain its effects on you.
Your liver, in addition to its role in the oxidation of alcohol, maintains your body's blood-sugar level. But the elimination of alcohol from the body supersedes the liver's other tasks. Therefore, if you have not eaten properly and then consume an excessive amount of alcohol, hypoglycemia (low level of blood sugar) may occur. If you have eaten properly, hyperglycemia (high level of blood sugar) may occur.
Alcohol's immediate effect on the brain is most unusual. The brain is usually protected from chemicals and drugs by an electrical-chemical filter system known as the blood/brain barrier, which makes sure that only water can pass through. The simple molecular structure of alcohol allows it to penetrate this selective screen and gain easy access to the brain and its extension, the spinal cord. Consequently, alcohol has immediate and profound effects on behavior.
In high doses, alcohol is an anesthetic that acts as a depressant on the central nervous system. At very low doses (one drink) alcohol acts as a stimulant. Two drinks inhibit an anti-diuretic hormone (ADH) and increase urine flow. One experiences a slowed reaction time and poor muscle control. Judgment is impaired and as drinking continues, decision making is affected. Three drinks affect the ability to think and reason, and memory as well. One experiences reduced self-restraint and lessened inhibitions. As the alcohol depresses your control systems, visible signs of intoxication appear. Slurred speech and an unsteady gate become noticeable. Four drinks blurs the vision. After five drinks all behavior controls are compromised and the ability to stay awake is challenged. In some instances, such as chugalugging, you can reach a .50 BAC quickly, which results in a deep coma and danger of death.
Symptoms of alcohol withdrawal include thirst, headache, fatigue, nausea, and loss of appetite. The drinker feels guilt and remorse, anxiety and depression.
Sex God
Quote by fem_4_taboo
thanks for being so honest kent x
can i ask too hot,have you ever been stopped for drinking? is it something you would do?
xxfem xx
Have I ever gone out, got drunk, got in the car and driven?..................
No
Have I ever gone out, had a meal and wine over about a four hour period and driven home wondering if I was over the limit?............
Yes
My post was very much tongue in cheek - in case you didn't realise
However there are equally bad driving habits which cause horrific accidents and do not have the same social stigma - driving whilst tired, tail-gating, high speed undertaking, road rage etc etc
thank you toohot xx
like i said i have only been driving for 6 years, i guess its has been less than alot of people on here and i was taught in a climate where drinking and driving is frowned upon.
but for those who have been driving years i guess its easier to have done it before over the meal etc.
would a zero limit make it easier then so no one is left guessing?
i carrie dout my disertation (5 years ago)on binge drinking amongest women and it was true that most people may know the recomended allowences in units, but had no clue what units a drink had.
pleased to say bottle now have this printed on them.
most glasses of wine are referring to a 125 ml, most pubs serve 175- 225 ml glasses though.
this is why i think a zero limit would help as well.
i know some people might drive safe on so many drinks, but thats in a ideal situation, what if there is a dangerous driver, tail gater etc are you as able to judge and deal retionally with tem if youve had a few drinks?
xxx fem xx
like i said i have only been driving for 6 years, i guess its has been less than alot of people on here and i was taught in a climate where drinking and driving is frowned upon.
but for those who have been driving years i guess its easier to have done it before over the meal etc.
would a zero limit make it easier then so no one is left guessing?
i carrie dout my disertation (5 years ago)on binge drinking amongest women and it was true that most people may know the recomended allowences in units, but had no clue what units a drink had.
pleased to say bottle now have this printed on them.
most glasses of wine are referring to a 125 ml, most pubs serve 175- 225 ml glasses though.
this is why i think a zero limit would help as well.
i know some people might drive safe on so many drinks, but thats in a ideal situation, what if there is a dangerous driver, tail gater etc are you as able to judge and deal retionally with tem if youve had a few drinks?
xxx fem xx
