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Difficult one this as prostitution isn't illegal in this country, it's the actions surrounding prostitution that are such as soliciting, running a brothel, kerb crawling etc.
If the lady at the dogging spot details what she will do for cash then she's soliciting and that's an offence, but there are ways to get around this law, so she may not actually be committing any crime.
if it was made clear from the begining that the money was to be given back afterwards then it would just b a bit of role play fantasy but if not then just plain ole protitution
"Would you have sex with me for a million pounds?"
"OK."
"Would you have sex with me for a fiver?"
"Certainly not! What do you think I am?"
"I think we both know what you are, we're just haggling over the price."
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i just read the same post
Now many of my fantasies involve outdoor "slutty" behaviour,its a gd thing we dont have a car really lol
But if money changes hands then it is not a fantasy,it is prostitution,reguuardless of the morality of the situation you are not fufilling a fantasy,and given the fact dogging attracts the police anyway may be treading on thin ice.
so yes its prostiution,and i think mr plod would agree

:thumbup: well said!!
and .... if the intention was there to give the money back afterwards ... what if the police get there first before you have the opportunity???
"Honest officer, I wasn't gonna keep it!" Dont think this would stand up in court hey?!?!
I can see where this fantasy could happen, to a point.
We, the wife and I that is, often act out elaborate fantasies and one is that we go out separately, meet in a pre-aranged pub, pretend we have never met before, chat her up, take her home and pay for sex, of coarse in reality the money goes no where but goes a long way to make the fantasy feel real.
Not quite the same I know
The couple may like to believe they are just being playful and harmless, but it wouldn't be taken like that in the eyes of the law. Especially as they are doing this in a public place. They would be treated the same as any hooker who was trying to do sex work on the street. Plus it gives dogging a bad name, because generally doggers don't get involved in money for sex.
If your fantasy is to be paid for sex and you act on your urge surely it's both fantasy and prostitution,as for wether it fits with the 'ethics' of dogging I've no idea.
There is no more morally wrong with getting paid to have sex with a complete stranger than there is with having sex with a complete stranger for free.
What is wrong is the attendant danger. But then poorly managed dogging is fraught with danger.
Personally I have many fantasies that include getting large amounts of money for very little work. Mine usually centre round being left huge amounts of money by a rich uncle I have never met. So I will get Lottery tickets instead - isn't gambling a scourge of society too?
We (swingers) play out many fantasies - from bondage to cowboys and indians. If someone gets off on imagining being paid for sex, I can't see much wrong in playing that out. It can be done in a situation where no-one breaks any actual laws (or at least isn't caught doing so). So, in my opinion - let them go for it.
I was reading a post on the dogging forum about prostitutes infiltrating dogging spots. The thread compelled me to post my question to you all.
Within that post was a comment suggesting that someone had a fantasy about being paid for sex. This was being manifested by this couple going out dogging and charging for sex. The poster suggested that for this couple, it was not prostitution but only to fulfil a fantasy. :confused:
My opinion and please enlighten me if my view is puritanical, but putting a “Fantasy” tag on the act of charging for sex does not detract from this being an act of prostitution. Where I come from, a lion with spots is a leopard.
What is your opinion on this confused:[/quote
I think it is okei as long as you go to someone's place as it is more private and so noeone can see you and then give her the money for teh time you pay her. Doing it this way won't attract the police or anyone else in teh matter of fact. Tehn when you are in teh house tell teh women what u wanna do with her and act it out, and if you like it sure do it every week. smile
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I think it is okei as long as you go to someone's place as it is more private and so noeone can see you and then give her the money for teh time you pay her. Doing it this way won't attract the police or anyone else

Why not? This is exactly what prostitution is dunno I think it should be legal anyway but thats another debate.
could you not use monopoly money?....if you do get nicked i would love to see it go to court
....... ok maybe i'm not on the same wave length but if i do something once to fullfill a fantasy then i have made my fantasy reality and i can see myself saying yes to the hand over of money to make the fantasy a true liking of what i perceived it in my head, however if i was to do this on a regular basis doesn't that change what once a fantasy to something different or am i just in a completly different space land ??
dunno
Quote by Gurlonloan
....... ok maybe i'm not on the same wave length but if i do something once to fullfill a fantasy then i have made my fantasy reality and i can see myself saying yes to the hand over of money to make the fantasy a true liking of what i perceived it in my head, however if i was to do this on a regular basis doesn't that change what once a fantasy to something different or am i just in a completly different space land ??
dunno

Well we play out our fantasies more than once, they stay fresh as we involve different people
Quote by Bluefish2009
....... ok maybe i'm not on the same wave length but if i do something once to fullfill a fantasy then i have made my fantasy reality and i can see myself saying yes to the hand over of money to make the fantasy a true liking of what i perceived it in my head, however if i was to do this on a regular basis doesn't that change what once a fantasy to something different or am i just in a completly different space land ??
dunno

Well we play out our fantasies more than once, they stay fresh as we involve different people
may i ask something then blue....
if someone was to ask what you enjoy sexually and what is a fantasy of yours would they be the same thing ????
Just to put another slant on this .......
Mr Fun just suggested that, a single bloke pays to get into a club with the intention of having sex with a woman ..... would you say that this could also be looked at as paying for sex?
In countries where brothels are legal, you pay the madam (pimp) is that not the same as paying to get into a swinging club? Obviously the difference with a club is that we all consent and understand that we all have to pay to gain entry and we make no money for having sex .... but money is still changing hands.
For the record, we dont view swinging clubs as brothels and both think that controlled, organised prostitution should be legal after all it is the oldest profession!!!! Just playing devils advocate.
Quote by Funlovers2009
Just to put another slant on this .......
Mr Fun just suggested that, a single bloke pays to get into a club with the intention of having sex with a woman ..... would you say that this could also be looked at as paying for sex?
In countries where brothels are legal, you pay the madam (pimp) is that not the same as paying to get into a swinging club? Obviously the difference with a club is that we all consent and understand that we all have to pay to gain entry and we make no money for having sex .... but money is still changing hands.
For the record, we dont view swinging clubs as brothels and both think that controlled, organised prostitution should be legal after all it is the oldest profession!!!! Just playing devils advocate.

If you take a girl out, wine and dine her, take her home???? dunno
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Just to put another slant on this .......
Mr Fun just suggested that, a single bloke pays to get into a club with the intention of having sex with a woman ..... would you say that this could also be looked at as paying for sex?
In countries where brothels are legal, you pay the madam (pimp) is that not the same as paying to get into a swinging club? Obviously the difference with a club is that we all consent and understand that we all have to pay to gain entry and we make no money for having sex .... but money is still changing hands.
For the record, we dont view swinging clubs as brothels and both think that controlled, organised prostitution should be legal after all it is the oldest profession!!!! Just playing devils advocate.

If you take a girl out, wine and dine her, take her home???? dunno
Shit ..... I'm a hooker!!! :scared:
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Great point Fun,I suppose the single guys are only paying entrance fees,what happens after is not included in the price,therefore it is not a brothel.
Heres a senario for mr fun,a few years back s cetain couple were offered a holiday with a nice older gentleman all expenses paid,in return for the lady *ahem* providing hoiday extras.
was that prostition? And before anyone asks i turned him down,if he asked now...well anything beats a week at haven! lol

Yeah it is, you would have been receiving something for sexual acts ... its like indecent proposal (except that was money)
It wont be long before all of these things become fully accepted.
In fact, travelling past Wood Lane recently I'm sure I heard two BBC Excec's discussing programming.
Cash in the Carpark was on the planning table.
lp
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So long as David Dickinson doesnt present it, that wud be off putting !

:laughabove:
Quote by Funlovers2009
Just to put another slant on this .......
Mr Fun just suggested that, a single bloke pays to get into a club with the intention of having sex with a woman ..... would you say that this could also be looked at as paying for sex?
In countries where brothels are legal, you pay the madam (pimp) is that not the same as paying to get into a swinging club? Obviously the difference with a club is that we all consent and understand that we all have to pay to gain entry and we make no money for having sex .... but money is still changing hands.
For the record, we dont view swinging clubs as brothels and both think that controlled, organised prostitution should be legal after all it is the oldest profession!!!! Just playing devils advocate.

You pay to go into a brothel to have sex and the sex is part of the entry price so you are paying for sex. Prostitutes work for the brothel.
When you pay to go in a swingers club thats all you are paying for entry to the club. Sex is not guaranteed in any shape or form all you pay for is entry. Members inside the swinging club are socializing not working and give sex with consent and not for money.
Think those are big points in the eyes of the law
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i stil think the point is that you are breaking the law by soliciting ,reguardless of the fantasy aspect.
like mrs blue this is somthing i have fantasised about,and with kev explored ,but once u ask someone else you are breaklig the law.

You are not breaking teh law I am doing this handing over money on a regular basis to have sex with women, although I use adultworks web site which is legal. So I am not doin anything wrong with it.
There's some good information on the legal system
From what I can see approaching anyone and offering sex for reward (not necessarily money) may be soliciting, but the wording used in Street Offences Act 1959 is 'common prostitute' which means that the officer arresting has to have proof, or reasonable cause to believe that the person in question is acting as a prostitute.
Interestingly the partner may actually face prosecution:
Section 56 and Schedule 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 extends the gender specific prostitution offences to apply to both males and females equally.
The Sexual Offences Act 2003 creates the following offences:
* causing or inciting prostitution for gain anywhere in the world (Section 52)
* controlling prostitution for gain in any part of the world (Section 53)
"Gain" is defined in Section 54 as;
(a) any financial advantage, including the discharge of an obligation to pay or the provision of goods or services (including sexual services) gratuitously or at a discount; or
(b) the goodwill of any person which is or appears likely, in time, to bring financial advantage.
"Prostitute" is defined in Section 51(2) as
"a person (A) who, on at least one occasion and whether or not compelled to do so, offers or provides sexual services to another person in return for payment or a promise of payment to A or a third person; "prostitution" is to be interpreted accordingly."

so in theory the partner could be prosecuted if it can be shown that he's benefited in some way from the deal. :shock:
As far as I can see a woman can work from a property one her own and avoid prosecution as she isn't running a brothel and providing she doesn't offer her services openly, isn't soliciting either, as paying for sex doesn't appear to be defined anywhere as an offence.
I think the law's covered all aspects of how prostitution works; in its illegal and legal aspects. These are designed to prevent people using illegal means and keeping them to what is legal.
Its amusing to turn things on their head with hypothetical scenarios and harmless enough to discuss in theory; but the law covers those kind of misinterpretations.
I read the initial thread in the dogging forum, which I think was just some sex workers trying for business. I can understand most people's reactions would be to give them the benefit of the doubt. But its a risk not worth taking in the circumstances.
Well , escorts are legal as it is different from prostitution what u think?
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Well , escorts are legal as it is different from prostitution what u think?

Prostitution is legal. Escorting is only different in the usual means of introduction. It's still cash in exchange for sex = prostitution.
These are the kind of aggrevating lines of thought that lead to confused ideas and attitudes. There are no grounds to assume that people are behaving in such ways as is being suggested. Single guys or even couples may feel a sense of dissapointment that they did not get a shag, but they have no grounds to expect it; so they don't think they are buying sex at a club.
Therefore no one else should be assuming that they equate swinging with sex work. If that is how you feel then its entirely your choice to do so, but there are no conditions under which that state is allowed to develop unless you are involved in entirely dodgy activites.
You won't encounter that in a bona fide club
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Just to put another slant on this .......
Mr Fun just suggested that, a single bloke pays to get into a club with the intention of having sex with a woman ..... would you say that this could also be looked at as paying for sex?
In countries where brothels are legal, you pay the madam (pimp) is that not the same as paying to get into a swinging club? Obviously the difference with a club is that we all consent and understand that we all have to pay to gain entry and we make no money for having sex .... but money is still changing hands.
For the record, we dont view swinging clubs as brothels and both think that controlled, organised prostitution should be legal after all it is the oldest profession!!!! Just playing devils advocate.

If you take a girl out, wine and dine her, take her home???? dunno
Spose that depends if you see it as your duty to pay him back Blue ? Or is it just a date.