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Quote by cheekychimp
One or two Chimp? Bloody lightweight rolleyes lol

Oh I know FB....I just can't handle it anymore...!!
CheekyChimp..... cool
It's your age honey :lol:
Quote by freckledbird
One or two Chimp? Bloody lightweight rolleyes lol

Oh I know FB....I just can't handle it anymore...!!
CheekyChimp..... cool
It's your age honey :lol:
You're not wrong there.....that's enough to drive me to drink.... :shock:
Marcus...x
There appear to be several seperate points to note here.
I am not really a soccer fan, the other shaped ball being my passion, but I am enthralled by genius wherever I see it, or at least where my lowly intellect is able to recognise it.
I watched George Best and was mesmerised by his talent: I think we have to seperate off what he was like as a man, that is largely irrelevant to the enjoyment that he gave to so many. I can't help remembering that true genius is often accompanied by a tendency to self damage and instability: I think of Dylan Thomas, Van Gough, Hancock, Pollock, Buster Keaton , EA Poe,Brando, Friedeman Bach, Bobby Jones et al...the list is awfully long and supplemented by those who managed to hide their pain or were shielded by family etc genius does not necessarily, or indeed often, collate with 'niceness'. I admire decency, courage and humanity as much as I do genius. I therefore admire Nelson Mandela, Geldof, Mother Theresa and Ghandi for different reasons.
With regard to his 'squandering ' of this talent: I'm sure that is probably true, but then, it was his to squander. He was an alcoholic, something I would have found easy to deride until I became personally affected by it. Now perhaps I understand a little better and am perhaps not so keen to pass judgement.;let him who is without sin and all that....
With regard to the outpouring of grief: yes, it's probaby over the top, he was genuinely admired, gave pleasure to millions, and was blessed with a very special talent. I have heard people today moaning about the mourning of his passing who were bereft when pop stars, soap actors and Royal Family passed on: I fail to differentiate.
It's sad when anyone dies-even the most evil deserve to be mourned for what they might have been. I've been one of the most horrible buggers to have walked the earth, but I still hope that when I shuffle off this mortal coil there will be someone playing 'Flowers of the Forest' for me: not for me, or any talent I had (never been troubled with talent personally) but for the fact that I was here, was loved -albeit undeservedly-and like all of us.... 'could have been a contender'.
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There appear to be several seperate points to note here.
I am not really a soccer fan, the other shaped ball being my passion, but I am enthralled by genius wherever I see it, or at least where my lowly intellect is able to recognise it.
I watched George Best and was mesmerised by his talent: I think we have to seperate off what he was like as a man, that is largely irrelevant to the enjoyment that he gave to so many. I can't help remembering that true genius is often accompanied by a tendency to self damage and instability: I think of Dylan Thomas, Van Gough, Hancock, Pollock, Buster Keaton , EA Poe,Brando, Friedeman Bach, Bobby Jones et al...the list is awfully long and supplemented by those who managed to hide their pain or were shielded by family etc genius does not necessarily, or indeed often, collate with 'niceness'. I admire decency, courage and humanity as much as I do genius. I therefore admire Nelson Mandela, Geldof, Mother Theresa and Ghandi for different reasons.
With regard to his 'squandering ' of this talent: I'm sure that is probably true, but then, it was his to squander. He was an alcoholic, something I would have found easy to deride until I became personally affected by it. Now perhaps I understand a little better and am perhaps not so keen to pass judgement.;let him who is without sin and all that....
With regard to the outpouring of grief: yes, it's probaby over the top, he was genuinely admired, gave pleasure to millions, and was blessed with a very special talent. I have heard people today moaning about the mourning of his passing who were bereft when pop stars, soap actors and Royal Family passed on: I fail to differentiate.
It's sad when anyone dies-even the most evil deserve to be mourned for what they might have been. I've been one of the most horrible buggers to have walked the earth, but I still hope that when I shuffle off this mortal coil there will be someone playing 'Flowers of the Forest' for me: not for me, or any talent I had (never been troubled with talent personally) but for the fact that I was here, was loved -albeit undeservedly-and like all of us.... 'could have been a contender'.

A poingnant post......thanks Blithe Spirit.
Quote by stuartrossy1
George was at his height in the swinging 60's, the guy knew how to party, but he will always be best remembered for his footballing genius!!
god bless you George mate from a fan!

Here here....... :thumbup:
He was probably the best player this country produced, this country obviously includes Northern Ireland.
I dont care whether he was a piss head, he was my hero. I judge him by his footballing ability, If i was to dissect a lot of other british heroes personalities I bet he wouldnt come out so bad compared to many
I'm with you cheeky chimp, and I'm a rabid Liverpool fan
id like to take this oppurtunity to say thanks to george best for the entertainment on and of the pitch as pele said" he was the best footballer the world has ever produced". I think that what happened in his private life is just that PRIVATE!!! We seem to easily forget that the reason he was in the public eye was for pure talent,after all we know what a sod james brown is for the way he has treated women in the past but bet your bottom dollar that any dancefloor that plays his stuff is gonna be bouncin,anyway CHEERS besty hope you find what your lookin for :cheers:
God Bless Georgie boy, gone to the football field in the sky. RIP.
Minx x x
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Hi,
It looks like the end is nigh for one of the 'Best' football players the world has ever seen.
We could probably talk all day and night about his personal failures but, I and thousands around the world do not judge him on that.....we all have problems in our personal lives and he's no different. The temptations offered to this young man were unbelievable back then - would you have resisted..!!
The end of a footballing era.....and a very, very sad time indeed..!
God Bless you George.....x
Marcus....

Yes.... a sad time.... but are we going to be plunged into an out-pouring of national grief for yet another public personage who has died??? Let his family grieve for him in private.
Being a fan of Manchester United this news has hit me hard and I must admit to shedding a tear or two. Any lover of 'The Beautiful Game' would feel the same at the passing of one of the game's legends and one of life's true characters. Best was the bestfootballer who ever graced a football pitch or donned a Manchester United shirt and it's tragic that his life and talent was wasted by alcohol.
I hope some of the younger stars of today that have much more money than George ever had at his disposal look long and hard at how they conduct themselves in their personal lives and not follow in George's footsteps - except for on the pitch.
Quote by Happy Cats
He was probably the best player this country produced, this country obviously includes Northern Ireland.
I dont care whether he was a piss head, he was my hero. I judge him by his footballing ability, If i was to dissect a lot of other british heroes personalities I bet he wouldnt come out so bad compared to many
I'm with you cheeky chimp, and I'm a rabid Liverpool fan

Bravo..Happy Cats...... :thumbup:
CheekyChimp..... cool
Quote by Tiger_Tiger_uk
Being a fan of Manchester United this news has hit me hard and I must admit to shedding a tear or two. Any lover of 'The Beautiful Game' would feel the same at the passing of one of the game's legends and one of life's true characters. Best was the best footballer who ever graced a football pitch or donned a Manchester United shirt and it's tragic that his life and talent was wasted by alcohol.
I hope some of the younger stars of today that have much more money than George ever had at his disposal look long and hard at how they conduct themselves in their personal lives and not follow in George's footsteps - except for on the pitch.

Well said Tiger_Tiger.....lets hope so eh..!
CheekyChimp...... cool
Quote by willryder
id like to take this oppurtunity to say thanks to george best for the entertainment on and of the pitch as pele said" he was the best footballer the world has ever produced". I think that what happened in his private life is just that PRIVATE!!! We seem to easily forget that the reason he was in the public eye was for pure talent,after all we know what a sod james brown is for the way he has treated women in the past but bet your bottom dollar that any dancefloor that plays his stuff is gonna be bouncin,anyway CHEERS besty hope you find what your lookin for :cheers:

Yep....I couldn't agree more..... :thumbup:
Marcus..... cool
Quote by equi-princess
Hi,
It looks like the end is nigh for one of the 'Best' football players the world has ever seen.
We could probably talk all day and night about his personal failures but, I and thousands around the world do not judge him on that.....we all have problems in our personal lives and he's no different. The temptations offered to this young man were unbelievable back then - would you have resisted..!!
The end of a footballing era.....and a very, very sad time indeed..!
God Bless you George.....x
Marcus....

Yes.... a sad time.... but are we going to be plunged into an out-pouring of national grief for yet another public personage who has died??? Let his family grieve for him in private.
I agree to a certain extent equi_princess....but millions of people loved this guy (for his footy skills) and I'm afraid he's gonna be in the media for the next day or so...at least.
CheekyChimp..... cool
Quote by BiWelshMinx
God Bless Georgie boy, gone to the football field in the sky. RIP.
Minx x x

I bet he's having a glass or two with Sir Matt..... biggrin
CheekyChimp..... cool
Respect to the Chelsea & Portmouth fans - (and all the other fans/players who took part in the minutes silence / applause) .....Just heard them singing.....
'One Georgie Best...theres only One Georgie Best....One Georgie Beeeesssttt...there's only One Georgie Beeessttt'.
Superb....... wink
Marcus....... cool
Can i make a point lol
This George Best thread hasn't be locked, and is a topical point of discussion.
I made a thread about another topical point of discussion and it was instantly locked!
Somebody explain!
Sorry about the thread hijack but how else do i ask what the hell was it locked for?!
Quote by Tra-n-Lee
Can i make a point lol
This George Best thread hasn't be locked, and is a topical point of discussion.
I made a thread about another topical point of discussion and it was instantly locked!
Somebody explain!
Sorry about the thread hijack but how else do i ask what the hell was it locked for?!

May I ask what the discussion was about...?
Marcus...... cool
yes... yes you may lol
But i won't answer because it constitutes thread hijacking to the highest degree and i didn't want to do that lol.
Instead i will pay my tributes to George Best - footballing legend, troubled life and he will be remembered for having a life of two halves.
All the best George from an Evertonian.
Quote by Tra-n-Lee
yes... yes you may lol
But i won't answer because it constitutes thread hijacking to the highest degree and i didn't want to do that lol.
Instead i will pay my tributes to George Best - footballing legend, troubled life and he will be remembered for having a life of two halves.
All the best George from an Evertonian.

Okey Dokey......... wink
Respect to Evertonians..... rolleyes
Marcus...... cool
Quote by Osmosis
Mixed emotions here ... whilst I do feel he should be left to rest in peace and his death will no doubt devastate many, the man was not a god or a hero, he squandered his gift and in that sense turned his back on his ability and country.
He spent time in prison, had been charged with a number of assaults, was an adulterer and revelled in domestic violence, an alcoholic when given a heavily debated second chance couldn't stay off the booze.

the very definition of an alcoholic???
His death is sad but let's face hardly surprising and man doesn't deserve the veneration he's received.
Calista x

You've summed up my thoughts exactly.
Mine too.
Bollocks....!!!!
And what evidence can you present to deny any of my claims, search a stack of websites. The man was a footballer, never tried to do any good except to suit himself, and his fantastic footballing skills (which I won't deny) were wasted.
C x
Look, whatever he did in his private & personal life is up to him...we've all got our faults but what we don't have is the feckin media following you ALL your life waiting for you to slip up on the smallest thing......if you were one of the most famous and talented people in the world at such a young age in the swinging sixties...what would you be like..?
I'll remember him for the football side of things.
i could not agree more! smile
Marcus...x
The man squandered the gift of another opportunity and a new liver. Some poor sod died in order for him to receive another opportunity to live, then he wasted it and ended up in the same place, only later and after possibly depriving another person the opportunity to live longer.
He was a great footballer, but as a role model or non-footballing icon it's hypocritical.
bit sad reading this! i thought some of us here would be enlightened enough to seperate the man, the footballing genius, the husband, son, blah blah blah from his addiction, and realise that he long ago lost control of his life! sad did he voluntarily squander his gift, or did alcohol rob him of it? ((( i'm talking about both his footballing gift, and the gift of a new liver here! ))) dunno
we don't really need to pass judgement on the dead do we? maybe he got his just deserts, but i really wouldn't like to judge? :(
neil x x x ;)
p.s. blithe spirit??? :thumbup: biggrin
Quote by Sexysteph
I look at it this way
George Best was one of the most talented footballers of his era. Yes he squandered his life in many ways but he was ill there is no doubt in my mind the guy was sick with alcoholism but I would lay a bet he was sicker witht he press constantly hounding him.
I hate the fact that the guy lay dying with NO Quality of Life hooked up to a respirator. His Doctors had already said he had no hope so why did they NOT turn the respirator off so he could die with dignity.
I personally will remember him as a great footballer but unfortunately a weak man who could not control his weakness to alcohol.
Rest in Peace George Best
~~A fallible human being~~
~~~Like the rest of us~~~
Steph

A fair summing up sexysteph......x
It's taken me till now to manage to comment on his death - everyone here on SH has been so kind and generous in their respective tributes to the man. I am sure that were he here today he would accept those same plaudits graciously, as was his natural demeanour.
For me he was simply , a great talent, an imperfect man among so many, an icon, a role model for millions, an inspiration, a go getter, a beacon in Northern Irelands dark days (it's a poorer place now without him), a lover of life and a kindly man - those who knew him well, will miss him - those who didn't know him, will never know what they missed. Shine on Georgie boy - you,ve done your bit and left your mark.
Quote by Number 1
It's taken me till now to manage to comment on his death - everyone here on SH has been so kind and generous in their respective tributes to the man. I am sure that were he here today he would accept those same plaudits graciously, as was his natural demeanour.
For me he was simply , a great talent, an imperfect man among so many, an icon, a role model for millions, an inspiration, a go getter, a beacon in Northern Irelands dark days (it's a poorer place now without him), a lover of life and a kindly man - those who knew him well, will miss him - those who didn't know him, will never know what they missed. Shine on Georgie boy - you,ve done your bit and left your mark.

Great Post......... wink
Quote by cheekychimp
It's taken me till now to manage to comment on his death - everyone here on SH has been so kind and generous in their respective tributes to the man. I am sure that were he here today he would accept those same plaudits graciously, as was his natural demeanour.
For me he was simply , a great talent, an imperfect man among so many, an icon, a role model for millions, an inspiration, a go getter, a beacon in Northern Irelands dark days (it's a poorer place now without him), a lover of life and a kindly man - those who knew him well, will miss him - those who didn't know him, will never know what they missed. Shine on Georgie boy - you,ve done your bit and left your mark.

Great Post......... wink
Thanks Cheekychimp - and like so many others here, it's totally from the heart - but for those of us in Northern Ireland, his loss and the memories are incaluable. Everyone loved him, Catholic, Protestant, others - soccer, rugby, snooker (at which he had another huge talent and again likened to another Northern Irish sporting hero, but also a flawed man, Alex Higgins), whatever the sporting preference he encompassed them all - I weep and soccer simply isn't my sport.
was young when he retired but still love watching those goals again, what a great player and one who captured the hearts of all football fans no matter what colour shirt they wore
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was young when he retired but still love watching those goals again, what a great player and one who captured the hearts of all football fans no matter what colour shirt they wore

Perfect....... wink
CheekyChimp..... cool
Quote by Calista
The man was a footballer, never tried to do any good except to suit himself, and his fantastic footballing skills (which I won't deny) were wasted.
C x

Says who exactly????He was a very kind man,never refused an autograph to anyone at any stop and spend time with must have been some good in the man if all of his friends and coworkers are so Football both made and broke him.
Yes its sad that he wasted the gift of a second chance BUT alcoholism is a disease and just imagine what it mustve been like to be unable to stop yourself even when you knew you were probably killing yourself.
R.I.P to a legend who did things many footballers can only dream about.
Quote by Clare and Steve

The man was a footballer, never tried to do any good except to suit himself, and his fantastic footballing skills (which I won't deny) were wasted.
C x

Says who exactly????He was a very kind man,never refused an autograph to anyone at any stop and spend time with must have been some good in the man if all of his friends and coworkers are so Football both made and broke him.
Yes its sad that he wasted the gift of a second chance BUT alcoholism is a disease and just imagine what it mustve been like to be unable to stop yourself even when you knew you were probably killing yourself.
R.I.P to a legend who did things many footballers can only dream about.
I beg to differ. Yes he was an out standing player, he undoubtedly had a natural talent few others have had, but he did not suffer from a disease.
The Oxford English Dictionary gives this definition of a disease:
" A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection or genetic defect and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.."
He condition was not disease, he suffered one of human natures most cruel traits - self inflicted abuse of his mind and body, with little or no regard for himself or his family and friends confused
Of course his family and friends are upset. Yes they will undoubtedly miss him, but anyone who has known or been related to an alcoholic will know what a futile life they lead in real terms.
Whilst they slowly drink themselves into a stupor everyday, their families watch them disintegrate before their own eyes.
They will miss George as he was before drink took hold of him. They will miss what he was, what he could have been and what he threw away, every single time he put a glass to his lips.
George came from very humble beginnings and had a chance in life that so few people have. He made the big time and how! But he threw it all away, just like an empty beer can . . . .
Putting it into perspective, if you passed a pissed up tramp on the street, would you stop and give him the time of day? Of course you wouldn't! You'd hurry on by, thinking what a dreadful state to be in!
The only difference between that tramp and George is that he lived in relative affluence and could afford the best of everything, including booze.
His contemporary on the other hand, probably drinks the cheapest booze he can lay his hands on . . . to forget his terrible daily problems and try to black out his meaningless existence.
Both have a problem with booze, but oh how differently they get treated :?
Should one receive more accolade than the other, just because he could kick a ball around big style?
Not in my opinion. For anyone who has watched a loved one kill themselves slowly with booze, I would say both types of alcoholic are the same - so wrapped up in their own world, that they fail to see further than the next glass or bottle and their own immediate short term needs. End of.
They know they have a problem. Facing up to it is what most of them are unable to do and sadly they end up as George had - a shambling wreck of humanity sad
Tracy-Jayne
I have mixed feelings about George Best.
I can see where RedHot is coming from - it's not a disease in the classic sense but IMO it's a mental disease. As with most alcoholics there is a deep seated phycological flaw in their make -up that that they try and correctwith booze ( George was apparently very shy when off the field, Robbie W and many others suffered from depression) . However with these people the flaw soon becomes the alcohol - it consumes them and becomes the only reason for their existence.I personally resent the fact that he was given a new liver and still carried on drinking - but I guess that shows the power of alcohol.
But from a footballing point of view he was a genius - I am too young to have seen him play but like others i have seen footage of him play. Like he said in his last interview on Talksport before he went into hospital remember him for the football and not all the other BS that went on in his life.