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Graffiti - Art or Criminal Damage?

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Ive always loved Graffiti, I knows it a personal choice and many see it as criminal damage. I see the majority of Graffiti as an Art Form and just another way of expression.
I remember when I spotted my first *Fista* Graffiti Art whilst on a train up north! I was so chuffed :bounce:
Here in Bristol, we are lucky to have our very own Banksy art in various parts of town. Sometimes its hard to spot because of the places he does his paintings in other times, when it aims to get a message across its a very public in your face image.
Our local authority over the years have spent thousands and thousands getting rid of Urban Graffiti Art across the city, especially tagging on garage doors and walls (yeah some of that is awful). One was a Banksy on the side boat thats used as a nightclub and that was taken away at the cost twenty thousand pounds......a lot of money!!
The last few years our council have had a change of mind, mainly about Banksy's work. I did hear of two workmen sent out to get rid of some Graffitti and being told under no circumstances, paint over the Banksy. What did they do?? Yep painted over it and got a huge bollocking lol
Now Banksy is well known I feel that *some* are cashing in on his fame. He isnt... he doesnt make a penny from his Graffiti or prints of it.
So how do you feel about Graffiti? Art, complete and utter drivel or criminal damage??
Do you think Graffiti Artists should be prosecuted? Or should Artists have a designated place to paint?
Anais
PS Yep I watched the brill programme last night about Graffiti :lol: :lol:
Well i see it as both dependant on where it is and what it is. I like it when its done well in the right setting.
Its the so called tagging i dont like.
Art - well, in many cases when you are talking about Banksy, Nunca and their ilk. Am loving the new urban art installations on the side of the Tate Modern. Ace!
Damn... must dash, hope this thread is still up and about tomorrow so I can add more.
Oh and yeah, scrawling random shite on stuff is not art. But there is defo a difference!
Nola x
Graffiti is not an art form and neither is it done by artists. It is no more than a criminal act. Sorry, but if they get caught spray painting, they should be prosecuted.
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Graffiti is not an art form and neither is it done by artists. It is no more than a criminal act. Sorry, but if they get caught spray painting, they should be prosecuted.

i agree
If they love the look of their art / signatures so much, they should have it tatooed on their face so they can enjoy it everytime they look in the mirror!!!
Looks 'okay' I guess but I doubt that the people who like it so much would want it on their own walls.
Can I be maybe hypocritical, and say I feel that it depends on the quality of the "art"?
I've just spent twenty minutes on Banksy's website, (thanks Anais, never heard of him before now) and his work is impressive!
Art, deffinately. Banksy's work is considered and usually makes a statement other than 'this is me scrawling my name on someone's wall'. Thanks to him others have followed suit. There is a dividing line between tagging and 'urban art', but if that's the only way some people have got to express themselves, carry on. And before anyone asks, no I wouldn't mind some decent graffiti on my walls, if it was just people writing swear words though, I wouldn't be too happy.
H.x
The location and the quality are all-important and overall I'm fairly ambivalent. The railways, particularly around london, seem to collect a large amount. There is a big difference between turning an otherwise dull slab of grey concrete into something colourful (probably a good thing), and actually spraying a train ( definitely bad).
There is also the safety aspect of having our teenagers playing hopscotch across the live rails to get to the location -- I know a number of kids have been killed or seriously injured.


A berlin kids playground
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Graffiti is not an art form and neither is it done by artists. It is no more than a criminal act. Sorry, but if they get caught spray painting, they should be prosecuted.

I disagree. Graffiti can be art or it can be vandalism. Sometimes it can be both.
Compared to the 'art' of Damien Hirst or Tracy Emin, I would much rather have graffiti by Banksy on my walls or in my home. Art, like beauty, is in the eye (and mind) of the beholder. Just because a particular work of art is also a criminal offence does not make it any less art, or the perpetrator any less an artist.
Instead of wasting money re-painting places where these so called artists have been why don't we do the following.
wash a wall making it a possible target for the spray can folk.
a bosnian sniper to lie in wait.
the community clean up rate would improve 100% after a few can heads have been dispatched.
or.
Because some of the schemes i see day to day are very good it is obvious that a few of these people are instead of buildings and places being ruined why don't councils or even companies get boards in place and have them sponsored.
Then get one of these painters to do something and have it on display for 2-3 months then paint over it.
Or get those who have been caught by the law encourged to use there skills in this sort of project.
But the sniper sounds good doesn't it. lol :lol:
Tagging is pointless and needless vandalism, but when you talk about Banksy, that is art.
His work is controversial and provocative. One of my favourite’s of his pieces is when he painted a huge picture of paradise on the walls of the West Bank and another is of a rioter throwing a bunch of flowers.
I was lucky enough to see his exhibition under Waterloo Station back in May which was a half mile tunnel at Leake Street with sculptures as well (the wall art is supposed to be there for another six months)
So no to graffiti and yes to urban art!
Dogs pissing on lamp-posts
lp
Banksy and artists alike i class as art all the rest i class at graffiti
"Tagging" wherever it's done is not art. Art, wherever it's done is art. However, if it's on private property & constituting an act of vandalism, then it's vandalism. Artistic vandalism maybe, but vandalism nonetheless.
The word art to me goes hand in hand with talent. Not making a bed does not make someone an artist ffs. But I'm going off on a tangent....hijack over!
Quote by Digitalknight
Graffiti is not an art form and neither is it done by artists. It is no more than a criminal act. Sorry, but if they get caught spray painting, they should be prosecuted.

Def agree.
If they like their art so much, bet they wont go and do it on their own kin house will they? No they go and damage others property.....criminal damage in my book!
If I like it, it's art and if I don't it's graffiti lol
art i like if done properly, but this tagging shit annoys me, if i knew i would not get arrested if i ever caught a kid tagging anything i would get his can and tag him and see how he likes.
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Graffiti is not an art form and neither is it done by artists. It is no more than a criminal act. Sorry, but if they get caught spray painting, they should be prosecuted.

i agree
I agree.
If you don't have permission to do it, it's vandalism, pure and simple. Whether some people might think it looks nice is of no relevance.
It does not make it ok to do just because some people might call it 'art'.
whoever this bansky is, i'm sure his paintings are lovely, but if he just randomly goes up to a wall that isn't his own property and he doesn't have permission to touch and paints, then in my eyes it is vandalism.
Just as much as it would be vandalism if someone came into my garden and did it up without permission, made it look pretty, filling it with nice plants and landscaping etc!!!
I'm amazed only four people on here made the difference between 'Tagging' and 'Graffiti'
'Tagging' in my opinion is vandalism as it's messy and just rubbish
'Graffiti' is art and art at it's highest caliber, most 'Graffiti artist' get permision to paint on wall ect it can take hour to great some of the work that is out there and some of these guys get paid good money for what they do
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I'm amazed only four people on here made the difference between 'Tagging' and 'Graffiti'

I've never heard of the word "tagging" until this thread. Is it just writing a name, instead of a picture?
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I'm amazed only four people on here made the difference between 'Tagging' and 'Graffiti'

I've never heard of the word "tagging" until this thread. Is it just writing a name, instead of a picture?
Cherry this is the most easist way to explaine it
Tagging
Cheers Garfield1 :thumbup:
If you're not sure if 'Graffiti' is art (btw- tagging in NOT grafitti, they just get lumped in together) then check out the work of Arron Bird AKA Temper. This is what he was doing a few years ago

This is what he's been upto recently

All done with normal, off the shelf spraycans worship
A collection of his work recently sold for over £200,000 in about 5 minutes and he designs for numerous multi national companies including Coke. Without a doubt he can only be described as an artist
Graffiti is an art form,whereas tagging is just chucking your name up,I have a file full full of my own graff work(on paper)from many moons ago and yes i paid for doing a mural with a hefty fine. redface
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temper's work is another fine example! his stuff is wonderful and i'd be happy for it to grace my house.
whips

But with permission surely? I think that graffiti is not Art at all I think its graffiti
graffiti
Noun
drawings or words scribbled or sprayed on walls or posters

The real arty stuff is Urban art, it maybe challenging social perceptions and norms. I think some of the wall murals in Northern Ireland are amazing that i see as urban art - challenging depressing amazing exciting frightening. Full of emotion whether right or wrong.
Banksy and his ilk are no doubt artists doing art but they are breaking the law with their art and if caught pay their dues, Unless the 'art' is in places where it has been decided that its ok to put it then its vandalism and its a crime and should be removed.
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temper's work is another fine example! his stuff is wonderful and i'd be happy for it to grace my house.
whips

I bet not the outside though? Or maybe so. :shock:
At its purist form it is an "art"
However when 15 year old kids have just spray painted
"MAN U RULEZ" on my garage door then I fail to see the artistic merits.
Hooligans
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Another piece of genius

lol Absolutely brilliant!